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So I was curious about the statistics on Brood War balance. 99% of the topics on balance are purely opinion based. I am looking for some real research. If you have any info on that please post a link below.
And here is my own little try:
This excludes Proleague matches. It is 1v1 tournaments since the old days until now.
If there are no 3rd place matches I put both players in the 3rd place section.
Also I did the First place first then I went back and added the Second and Third.
All the information is gathered from and available here:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Leagues
Thanks TL!
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First Place:
Zerg 33
Terran 39
Protoss 19
Random 1
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Second Place:
Zerg 35
Terran 28
Protoss 29
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Third Place
Zerg 38
Terran 42
Protoss 38
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Total Zerg 106
Terran 109
Protoss 86
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As we can see Zerg and Terran are dead even in the end. With Protoss lagging a little bit behind. Keep in mind these are THE BEST OF THE BEST and most of the these finishes are held by very few people. I dont know how many of each race entered the tournaments (would be a very interesting statistic to know too). Also as most if not all matches are a best of something the real wins and loses would be even closer I assume.
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These numbers present a lot of history.
Wouldn't name it balance - this word should be abolished and left only in starcraft2.
In SCBW everything depends if you can counter it, not your units.
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Nice work, but like you said these are best of the best, so it's a very skewed sample. Bisu and Stork and Garimto are not really reflective of the entire Protoss population. This is pretty good info on champions at least.
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I feel that statistics never gives you the full truth. There are times when one player of the race is tearing everyone apart, coming over obstacles and winning titles while every other player of the same race are failing. You really need to have followed the scene closely rather than pulling out statistics to be able to say anything about the balance.
edit: also most of these stats come from old matches and thus tells nothing about the balance because the play has evolved tremendously.
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It is data of all games(about 35,000G) in OGN and MBCgame.
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Now that is fucking research. Nice KHJ.
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Defenders advantage plays a huge role in BW, Terran is the best defensive race and they have the strongest 200/200 army. Those numbers shouldn't surprise anyone, Terran is a strong race but the game can be balanced around maps.
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On May 15 2017 17:50 K.H.J wrote:
It is data of all games(about 35,000G) in OGN and MBCgame.
That is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thanks!
Also got some on the amount of players who play each race?
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On May 15 2017 17:59 TT1 wrote:
Defenders advantage plays a huge role in BW, Terran is the best defensive race and they have the strongest 200/200 army. Those numbers shouldn't surprise anyone, Terran is a strong race but the game can be balanced around maps.
Yes maps are a thing but even with such a broad range of maps especially in the old days it still seams people have adapted well to all the different situations.
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On May 15 2017 18:05 ProllTarodies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 17:50 K.H.J wrote:
It is data of all games(about 35,000G) in OGN and MBCgame. That is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Thanks! Also got some on the amount of players who play each race?
Well... I remember that i saw data about it few weeks ago, but i cant find it now.
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The number of Terran championships won is going to skyrocket due to Flash winning the next 50 ASLs.
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Empirically speaking, Terrans have never done badly. In fact, most of the bonjwas are Terrans.
Is this because Terrans are the race the best players pick, the easiest to innovate with, or imbalanced? Who knows.
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If Terran was imbalanced, they wouldn't be the least picked race at lower levels of Starcraft. You can sort of say they're the "easiest" to innovate with (thx Boxer), but the fact is Terran's power increases the most in proportion to the increase in player's skill. For example Terrans have a lot of timing pushes that are only open to the player as an option once the player has had experience with timing and strategic decisions
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On May 15 2017 17:59 TT1 wrote:
Defenders advantage plays a huge role in BW, Terran is the best defensive race and they have the strongest 200/200 army. Those numbers shouldn't surprise anyone, Terran is a strong race but the game can be balanced around maps.
That's the problem, large maps let Zerg have an easier time in ZvT, but they also favor Protoss in PvT, and Zerg in ZvP
it's hard to balance them all without match-up specific changes like ledges for overlords (doesn't affect ZvP because everyone goes corsair nowadays)
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I heard a rumor that map testers in the past were BoxeR and Reach only. No zerg tester.
In addition, there was only 1 terran player in top 10 list in 2010. Other terran players couldn't.
Pretty much a lot of terran players learned FlaSh's TvP in the past. There were probably some few cool playstyle players, but FanTaSy was the only one could've come all the way to top list.
FanTaSy's vulture with a dropship play was so insane in the back day.
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woah wait am i reading that right, in 2009 zerg had a winning rec ZvT ?! what's up with that? anyone have any insight into what that's all about?
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On May 15 2017 17:40 Piste wrote:
I feel that statistics never gives you the full truth. There are times when one player of the race is tearing everyone apart, coming over obstacles and winning titles while every other player of the same race are failing. You really need to have followed the scene closely rather than pulling out statistics to be able to say anything about the balance.
edit: also most of these stats come from old matches and thus tells nothing about the balance because the play has evolved tremendously.
That's the problem with this kind of thing as well. Terran could be the worst race, but you might have someone like Flash come along who just beats absolutely everyone and it skews the results.
You can't base it purely on tournament standings.
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On May 15 2017 21:06 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 17:40 Piste wrote:
I feel that statistics never gives you the full truth. There are times when one player of the race is tearing everyone apart, coming over obstacles and winning titles while every other player of the same race are failing. You really need to have followed the scene closely rather than pulling out statistics to be able to say anything about the balance.
edit: also most of these stats come from old matches and thus tells nothing about the balance because the play has evolved tremendously. That's the problem with this kind of thing as well. Terran could be the worst race, but you might have someone like Flash come along who just beats absolutely everyone and it skews the results. You can't base it purely on tournament standings.
you also have to consider meta changes. like judging PvZ balance from a single pool of data that includes a switch from 1 base to FE play doesn't give the whole picture.
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KESPA TOP1 RANK in whole history = 10 years T/Z even time + few months Protoss top1.
ggnore
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On May 15 2017 21:03 jaeboss wrote:
woah wait am i reading that right, in 2009 zerg had a winning rec ZvT ?! what's up with that? anyone have any insight into what that's all about?
One word answer: Jaedong
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