EPTWelcome to all newcomers! BW can be challenging for sure. But it can also be just about having some fun with other "noobs". And big fans of the game usually stick around, no matter what other games is released on the market. So if you invest in BW, you are investing in something permanent. Like Artosis said: "When i'm 70 years old we will be casting SC6 and SC1 lol"
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
Welcome to all newcomers! BW can be challenging for sure. But it can also be just about having some fun with other "noobs". And big fans of the game usually stick around, no matter what other games is released on the market. So if you invest in BW, you are investing in something permanent. Like Artosis said: "When i'm 70 years old we will be casting SC6 and SC1 lol" | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Also, ladder is fun for low levels, but only with matchmaking, completely oposite to what you wrote. But that is understandable misunderstanding for a high level player like you. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 01 2017 23:59 404AlphaSquad wrote: sadly the BW community is known nowadays in other communities to be one of the most arrogant and the least welcoming towards new players, while having a superiority complex towards other games and players. This is because a good number of the BW players are assholes (like in a lot of other communities). The best thing you can do is look for players around your skill-level by just hosting games and find a practice partner thats not an asshole. I could maybe see the arrogant thing, some people do have this self-righteousness about BW being the best game of all time. Not an ideal trait, but also doesn't make someone an asshole. But the rest of your post I have to say is total nonsense. New players are always welcomed, and there are numerous people readily available to help people learning the game. Overall, this community consists of some of the most respectful, geniune people I've had the pleasure of interacting with online. I just...don't even know how to respond to this. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On May 02 2017 02:49 L_Master wrote: I could maybe see the arrogant thing, some people do have this self-righteousness about BW being the best game of all time. Not an ideal trait, but also doesn't make someone an asshole. But the rest of your post I have to say is total nonsense. New players are always welcomed, and there are numerous people readily available to help people learning the game. Overall, this community consists of some of the most respectful, geniune people I've had the pleasure of interacting with online. I just...don't even know how to respond to this. Well, you're both kind of right. The community is just that -- a community. So it's a spectrum of different people. Some people are going to be more welcoming than others. On May 02 2017 00:48 tanngard wrote: Great post Nina. Very humanizing and empathetic. TL.net is lucky to have you as a member. Welcome to all newcomers! BW can be challenging for sure. But it can also be just about having some fun with other "noobs". And big fans of the game usually stick around, no matter what other games is released on the market. So if you invest in BW, you are investing in something permanent. Like Artosis said: "When i'm 70 years old we will be casting SC6 and SC1 lol" Hey, thanks for this post. On May 01 2017 17:12 2Pacalypse- wrote: Hey, I go "^^" after (almost) every sentence  I've literally never seen you do that. ^^ On May 01 2017 19:38 Wtfux wrote: Thanks for this ninazerg - difficult to know where to play and I do feel slightly alone in the dark like on SC2. One of the reasons I quit at the start of HotS and went back to playing WoW because there was no sense of community. Also not impressed with some of the attitudes of people on SB and ICCUP, who seems to be up their own arses, so I may just continue playing UMS on BNET iccup is more of a place to compete, and less for just hanging out with some cool cats. I'm not sure about shieldbattery. It was just kind of getting started and never really had a chance. Well, that's tentative... maybe battle.net will be a colossal fuck-up, and then shieldbattery will become open to the public and will be the place to play. On May 02 2017 01:14 opisska wrote: This post is a nice introduction to Starcraft in general, sure, but I do not understand why you chose to label it as BW for SC2 players. All this talk about builds, mindset and adaptation is perfectly true, but it's so also in SC2. I'd expect that a "BW for SC2 players" post will talk more about the differences in mechanics and also in how the races are played, because the names of the races are the same, but their relations are very different. Also, ladder is fun for low levels, but only with matchmaking, completely oposite to what you wrote. But that is understandable misunderstanding for a high level player like you. Why are you always so negative about everything? | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
Even when I get smashed by high level players, they're generally pretty nice and helpful. | ||
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
Anyways, I'm sort of getting off topic here... | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On May 02 2017 04:20 JungleTerrain wrote: The problem with online communities is the anonymity factor which gives people the excuse for being toxic while ignoring the consequences of it, since SOME would never do that in real life. It's not just in BW. It's in any online game. And the BW community is what Nina said it is... gotta put away the large brush and stop painting the whole group a certain way. In every community there are good and bad fruits. Anyways, I'm sort of getting off topic here... I feel like this is an appropriate topic to discuss, to be honest. EsportsJohn said On May 02 2017 04:04 EsportsJohn wrote: <3 you guys, don't know how anyone thinks this community is super elitist or full of assholes. But truthfully, if someone is generally negative, it is easy to decide that a community around them is this or that. It depends on why they're saying BW is full of elitists. I can understand if they hosted a game, then lost and their opponent said, "Wow, you completely suck ass. Why are you playing this game? Anyway, thanks for the free win, scrub." out of the blue. I will definitely say this to someone who joins 20k Hydras and doesn't repair their bunker. Other than that, people usually aren't rude just for no reason. I've seen a few cases of someone being really stupid and rude, then getting called on it, then saying, "OH BROOD WAR IS FULL OF ELITISTS CUZ I GOT CRITICIZED." Not gonna name names, though. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 02 2017 13:14 ninazerg wrote: I feel like this is an appropriate topic to discuss, to be honest. EsportsJohn said But truthfully, if someone is generally negative, it is easy to decide that a community around them is this or that. It depends on why they're saying BW is full of elitists. I can understand if they hosted a game, then lost and their opponent said, "Wow, you completely suck ass. Why are you playing this game? Anyway, thanks for the free win, scrub." out of the blue. I will definitely say this to someone who joins 20k Hydras and doesn't repair their bunker. Other than that, people usually aren't rude just for no reason. I've seen a few cases of someone being really stupid and rude, then getting called on it, then saying, "OH BROOD WAR IS FULL OF ELITISTS CUZ I GOT CRITICIZED." Not gonna name names, though. this is the case for any insular community ever, like r/metal is so bad with all the strawmans from noobs going "wow metal is just full of elitists because i said something dumb." btw where does everyone hang out now, is there a skype group or on SB or what | ||
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1074 Posts
Don't really like the protoss bits though - new players may take it seriously! I'm sick of playing pvps all the time... | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:12 HaFnium wrote: Good post. This certainly also applies to establish players who want to get better as well.... Don't really like the protoss bits though - new players may take it seriously! I'm sick of playing pvps all the time... PvP "builds character". I think there are too many Zergs and Protosses, though. Moar Terrans needed. On May 02 2017 22:38 Scaramanga wrote: I write ^^ after every sentence, does this mean I'm an arsehole? Possibly ^^ But I don't think you are ^^ | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On May 02 2017 23:17 ninazerg wrote: PvP "builds character". I think there are too many Zergs and Protosses, though. Moar Terrans needed. Terran is too OP, that's why no one plays it. | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On May 02 2017 00:29 Cele wrote: sorry, but that's just BS. On what are you basing said statement? If you think, the BW scene is not for you, that's okay. But just saying that the scene as a whole is arrogant and has a superioty complex? Most of us are assholes? Get real please. I don't know what your issue is, but people i know are pretty welcoming to new players. Of course some people always are BM, but you find them in every game. Also: what kind of productive advise is this, when somebody asks how to get into the game? Sooner or later you wanna find some friendly people to hang out with and not only grind laddergames, i guess? Read what I wrote again. I said the BW community is known as being arrogant amongst other communities. Just like LoL and Overwatch is known for being toxic. That doesnt mean every single player you meet in overwatch is gonna be toxic. Alot of BW players I meet have a superiority complex, when they play better than you in BW, you are trash. Seriously I meet people who simply say, that because they are better in BW, they are more intelligent. I remember when I used to play BW 10 years ago in a clan, and how dismissive they were of Wc3 and how it is a noob game, without even ever trying it. I enjoyed both games, but since wc3 isnt bw its automatically an inferior rts. Also the statement you hear from BW players, that every other game is inferior in every way to BW, isnt that uncommon. Seriously outside of the RTS community (and even some of the inside), BW doesnt have a good reputation amongst other players. Ofc I base this statement on my own experience, where else would I pull this from. Its not like i would have read it from a scientific research paper to formulate an objective opinion. Just like you base your statement on your own experience and formulate your subjective opinion. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On May 02 2017 03:32 ninazerg wrote: Why are you always so negative about everything? You have a rather specific definition of "negativity". I have provided constructive criticism, I have appreciated the post for being mostly true and only suggested that the topic posed could benefit from a different approach. The only point I explicitly disagreed with you was actually negative on your side and I have expressed an opinion which is more optimistic than yours. If by "negative" you mean "dares to have a different opinion than I" then yes, I am probably pretty negative. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On May 03 2017 18:10 404AlphaSquad wrote: Read what I wrote again. I said the BW community is known as being arrogant amongst other communities. Just like LoL and Overwatch is known for being toxic. That doesnt mean every single player you meet in overwatch is gonna be toxic. Alot of BW players I meet have a superiority complex, when they play better than you in BW, you are trash. Seriously I meet people who simply say, that because they are better in BW, they are more intelligent. I remember when I used to play BW 10 years ago in a clan, and how dismissive they were of Wc3 and how it is a noob game, without even ever trying it. I enjoyed both games, but since wc3 isnt bw its automatically an inferior rts. Also the statement you hear from BW players, that every other game is inferior in every way to BW, isnt that uncommon. Seriously outside of the RTS community (and even some of the inside), BW doesnt have a good reputation amongst other players. Ofc I base this statement on my own experience, where else would I pull this from. Its not like i would have read it from a scientific research paper to formulate an objective opinion. Just like you base your statement on your own experience and formulate your subjective opinion. You can have your personal opinion and experience with the broodwar community, that's fine. I don't ask you tp have scientific proof or whatnot. Same goes for me. I just think your experience with people who hated on you for playing WC3 and who called you noob or told you Broodwar ->>>>>>>>>> all other games doesn't make it fair to come into the BW Forum here and call the majority of people here assholes with a superiority complex. As to majority complex argument: i don't think that's true. What is true to some degree is that this game has a good percentage of players who have been playing it for a long time. I started playing this game 2007 and i always come back to it. Of course it comes natural to me to say that i like this game better then other RTS? For me personally, it's the best RTS out there and i don't mean to look down on other games by that. I don't see how that statement is offensive. I don't see how you think it's not offensive to go to this Fanpage for Sc2 and BW and just declare in the BW Forums that the playerbase is shit in majority. Just because you felt ill treated by some people ten years ago. What's the logic behind that? | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On May 03 2017 20:23 Cele wrote: You can have your personal opinion and experience with the broodwar community, that's fine. I don't ask you tp have scientific proof or whatnot. Same goes for me. I just think your experience with people who hated on you for playing WC3 and who called you noob or told you Broodwar ->>>>>>>>>> all other games doesn't make it fair to come into the BW Forum here and call the majority of people here assholes with a superiority complex. As to majority complex argument: i don't think that's true. What is true to some degree is that this game has a good percentage of players who have been playing it for a long time. I started playing this game 2007 and i always come back to it. Of course it comes natural to me to say that i like this game better then other RTS? For me personally, it's the best RTS out there and i don't mean to look down on other games by that. I don't see how that statement is offensive. I don't see how you think it's not offensive to go to this Fanpage for Sc2 and BW and just declare in the BW Forums that the playerbase is shit in majority. Just because you felt ill treated by some people ten years ago. I have always lurked on this forum cause tl had somewhat of a monopoly when it comes to good BW/sc2 content and discussions on the game. I didnt come to this forum to trash the BW community as you put it. I just replied to a post, pointing out my own experience. On May 03 2017 20:23 Cele wrote: Just because you felt ill treated by some people ten years ago. This isnt the only reason. I dont have this impression because I felt ill treated by some people, but because of the 6+ years I played this game and every second/third interaction I had with other players. Also you are twisting the words I wrote. I wrote; This is because a good number of the BW players are assholes (like in a lot of other communities). which is true in my experience. I didnt say the playerbase is shit in majority. I dont think its offensive to talk about my personal experiences I have within the playerbase of Brood War from 10 years ago and now, even if you might feel personally offended by it. Contrary to the original post, I replied to, I have quite a good time in shieldbattery. A shitty time to socialise in normal battle.net and Iccup. When I needed help because a friend of mine lost his password in shieldbattery, I got it immediately from the people hanging out there. And most people playing there want to help/support the BW scene. Shieldbattery however only represents such a small percentage of the community, that it doesnt really factor in compared to the high amount of assholes currently playing the game on battlenet/iccup. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On May 02 2017 13:14 ninazerg wrote: I feel like this is an appropriate topic to discuss, to be honest. EsportsJohn said But truthfully, if someone is generally negative, it is easy to decide that a community around them is this or that. It depends on why they're saying BW is full of elitists. I can understand if they hosted a game, then lost and their opponent said, "Wow, you completely suck ass. Why are you playing this game? Anyway, thanks for the free win, scrub." out of the blue. I will definitely say this to someone who joins 20k Hydras and doesn't repair their bunker. Other than that, people usually aren't rude just for no reason. I've seen a few cases of someone being really stupid and rude, then getting called on it, then saying, "OH BROOD WAR IS FULL OF ELITISTS CUZ I GOT CRITICIZED." Not gonna name names, though. I also think a lot of those ideas about the BW community come from a longer time ago, atleast I remember a couple years ago when I was only lurking, I saw a lot more negative/"hatefull?" comments especially regarding SC2, on reddit also, but also the other way around, which could have given that impression. Also, we as humans are flawed, if we see 100 positive and nice and welcoming people, but then there is that one asshole that taunts you and... well just behaves like an asshole, then you will remember that one person a lot more, which may lead you to reflect more poorly on the entire community. Thanks for the cool writeup btw. | ||
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emeraldgreenforest
48 Posts
Anyways ninazerg I'm sure you feel as there are many who were negative but I think they were just their opinion on what they said they werent attacking you on having a bad article just the fact that it was a general conversation about sc not just bw. But anyways to me whats negative is when someone doesnt have anything constructive to say and doesnt make sense for example on one of my post all you did was come in and say to not spam links to battle.net forums when all I did was cite a source for my post but you never responded as to what you meant by spam you just dropped that and left. Anyways good post trying to understand your side. | ||
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