StarCraft: Remastered coming in May? - Page 51

On March 26 2017 10:05 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote:
There's a skewed perception by people that have been high ranked for many years that it's easy to find low rank games. It isn't. If you're a newcomer even D- will crush you. You basically have to play E ranks only. Also, finding true D-/D ranks is not as trivial. The idea that the majority of the server is D rank comes from the rank being awarded to everyone at the start, most of those being players that have no interest in 1v1 to begin with. Every time I say the rank system is broken there's the same users saying that it's fine and smurfs are not a problem, who all happen to just be B or above, coincidentally. I guarantee a guy that's been a B rank for over 5 years can't tell the difference in skill between D and D+, which is huge

On March 26 2017 11:35 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote:
' A gamer with any experience of any kind with an RTS [or hell any game] could beat a d- player in a couple of days of playing broodwar.'

Bold assumption uh? This means the D- player by your very definition has no kind of experience in 'hell any game'

On March 26 2017 11:35 lestye wrote:

It's not important to a determined individual but its extremely important for a healthy playerbase to grow.

On March 26 2017 11:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:
That or theres a physical/mental impairment/disinterest in improving and emphasis on just fun. People dont remain inept at things without an explanation. True, and I dont dispute the small player base of bw causes harsher skill gaps than most games, plus iccups ladder system is terribly designed. But at the end of the day, broodwar is a frustrating game, that due to its mechanical and strategical complexity, produces certain harsh realities. If you cant stand the heat, get out of the fire: No one who would leave broodwar because they got their ass handed to them would ever stay, because thats what broodwar is all about in the first place. (Or they would perpetually remain in d- and complain about it on TL).

On March 26 2017 11:50 B-royal wrote:
I already did some small effort towards helping new players by updating ZvZ articles. We just need more experienced players to also help out with this (looking at trutacz, eonzerg, bonyth, koget,...).

On March 26 2017 11:39 fabiano wrote:
I can't understand how there are people having high hopes on this project...
Like I said before, it's impossible to recreate BW. If Blizzard manages to do it with 90% of accuracy I'd be very surprised.
So I sincerely expect nothing from it. And if you don't want to be very disappointed, you should lower your expectations too.

Edit: doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy a 90% accurate BW replica in HD (keep the game 2D though).

On March 26 2017 12:16 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The way to grow a community is definitely not to put them in a trial by fire. There's an interesting counterpoint in Dota 2 but in that game Valve applied MULTIPLE levels of skill determination (even starting with a survey "So, how well do you know Dota?") to try and separate the new and bad players from the veterans. SC2 had a similar rocky start with the BW veterans dominating at first and the Forever Bronze crew complaining that they were constantly outmatched and not having any fun until they eventually reached their low low potential.

In Dota, as with SC2, they try to make multiplayer the default way to play. Whenever you do that, the game has to be as welcoming and noncorrosive as possible. Players may learn hard lessons at first, but by your 5th or 10th game, it shouldn't STILL feel impossible. ICCup and other third-party ranking systems do. Because everyone starts at pretty close to the bottom, that means any new account can have any potential: high or low. So you get this terribly brutal environment where good players create new accounts to blow off steam and mercilessly crush hapless newbies. And because those good players -- and therefore their smurf accounts -- are generally more active, the odds of encountering a true learning casual at the starting rank are slim. Couple this with the small but dedicated playerbase who all have established pretty wide gaps between each other, and you get this fierce battleground where things start out tough and only get tougher.

I tried to mitigate this a little bit in the ShieldBattery ladder design by having a "new player" pool which also carried wider rating change per game. It's not a perfect solution and it's by no means smurf-proof (nothing really is), but there were other measures employed that would make good players feel more attached to their account so they wouldn't really want to smurf. The health of the ladder as a whole relies on an active playerbase and new blood to keep it fresh.

On March 26 2017 11:50 B-royal wrote:
I already did some small effort towards helping new players by updating ZvZ articles. We just need more experienced players to also help out with this (looking at trutacz, eonzerg, bonyth, koget,...).

On March 26 2017 11:06 Cryoc wrote:
If you are truly new, you have probably around the same lack of players and finding good games as when you are A or higher. You can just take a look at the last page of the ladder ranking on ICCUP: http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/ladder/1x1/page82.html . Around 50 people are really new, but there are like 500 accounts who are d- currently, so they should not have that much problems to find games. Question is, how big is the gap in those regions?