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Jaedong's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOp9K7CjksKsve6CkNPzUWg

Contribute to the Casual Games of the Week by posting awesome Jaedong games that you see here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/537649-the-casual-games-of-the-week-thread
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
April 25 2017 19:22 GMT
#1441
On April 25 2017 11:55 duke91 wrote:
Probably saw the most frustrating ZvT in history. Jaedong was so ahead vs mong, forcing Mong to lift his CC around 8 minutes in. But he couldn't break Mong no matter what after 30 minutes, and died to the only push Mong did in the whole game which was a simply siege towards the middle expos on CB......

David Kim pls


that game looked really fun, i cant get enough of those games
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-25 20:02:11
April 25 2017 19:43 GMT
#1442
On April 26 2017 04:22 Bakuryu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2017 11:55 duke91 wrote:
Probably saw the most frustrating ZvT in history. Jaedong was so ahead vs mong, forcing Mong to lift his CC around 8 minutes in. But he couldn't break Mong no matter what after 30 minutes, and died to the only push Mong did in the whole game which was a simply siege towards the middle expos on CB......

David Kim pls


that game looked really fun, i cant get enough of those games


really? why?
for me, just watching ZvT in the recent months have been so exhausting for me except in the very rare cases where the zerg wins from slightly/moderately behind

edit: I didn't watch the game btw.
Enjoy the game
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-26 02:24:02
April 26 2017 01:41 GMT
#1443
On April 26 2017 03:05 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2017 11:17 K.H.J wrote:
Good news. OGN consider OSL.

They will decide soon.

I think remaster and ASL2 affect OGN.



Almost a month has passed so I'm wondering if there is any news or updates on this?



No, after remastered version released, they will decide something. OGN already started to launch new BW show program, but they just collect reaction of BW fans now.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-26 07:01:21
April 26 2017 07:00 GMT
#1444
JD - Ssak - Last - Hero in group D of ASL according to his latest VODS. He chose Ssak to be in his group first.
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 26 2017 07:13 GMT
#1445
On April 26 2017 04:43 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2017 04:22 Bakuryu wrote:
On April 25 2017 11:55 duke91 wrote:
Probably saw the most frustrating ZvT in history. Jaedong was so ahead vs mong, forcing Mong to lift his CC around 8 minutes in. But he couldn't break Mong no matter what after 30 minutes, and died to the only push Mong did in the whole game which was a simply siege towards the middle expos on CB......

David Kim pls


that game looked really fun, i cant get enough of those games


really? why?
for me, just watching ZvT in the recent months have been so exhausting for me except in the very rare cases where the zerg wins from slightly/moderately behind

edit: I didn't watch the game btw.


I have not seen a zerg totally roflstomping a terran for months now(terran fucking up marine micro against mutas, then lose at minute 9 don't count). And i watch a lot of streams. Most games where the zerg wins is basically at around minute 30 when somehow he manages to break the terran defense and snowball very very very slowly.

Maybe mixing in some hydras may solve the ridiculous cost-effectiveness of mines? Or a muta/speedlord flock actively clearing out mines? Then again terran builds 3 valks and shuts this down instantly.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
toriak
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia477 Posts
April 26 2017 07:20 GMT
#1446
watch larva's ZvT
he is damn good when not on stage
his muta micro is just sick
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
April 26 2017 07:36 GMT
#1447
On April 26 2017 10:41 K.H.J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2017 03:05 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 29 2017 11:17 K.H.J wrote:
Good news. OGN consider OSL.

They will decide soon.

I think remaster and ASL2 affect OGN.



Almost a month has passed so I'm wondering if there is any news or updates on this?



No, after remastered version released, they will decide something. OGN already started to launch new BW show program, but they just collect reaction of BW fans now.


Thanks for the information. Very nice to have a korean here to give some first-hand knowledge about whats happening there
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
April 26 2017 09:31 GMT
#1448
On April 26 2017 16:13 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2017 04:43 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
On April 26 2017 04:22 Bakuryu wrote:
On April 25 2017 11:55 duke91 wrote:
Probably saw the most frustrating ZvT in history. Jaedong was so ahead vs mong, forcing Mong to lift his CC around 8 minutes in. But he couldn't break Mong no matter what after 30 minutes, and died to the only push Mong did in the whole game which was a simply siege towards the middle expos on CB......

David Kim pls


that game looked really fun, i cant get enough of those games


really? why?
for me, just watching ZvT in the recent months have been so exhausting for me except in the very rare cases where the zerg wins from slightly/moderately behind

edit: I didn't watch the game btw.


I have not seen a zerg totally roflstomping a terran for months now(terran fucking up marine micro against mutas, then lose at minute 9 don't count). And i watch a lot of streams. Most games where the zerg wins is basically at around minute 30 when somehow he manages to break the terran defense and snowball very very very slowly.

Maybe mixing in some hydras may solve the ridiculous cost-effectiveness of mines? Or a muta/speedlord flock actively clearing out mines? Then again terran builds 3 valks and shuts this down instantly.


Lategame Zerg spends either a bunch of units to clear the field or a big chunk of army gets slaughtered. Either way it's the very least very time and resource consuming to clear mines alongside doing what not.

What really bothers me lategame is that zerg must constantly fight "being invincible" meaning that if there's a single relatively big fight in which zerg's army is not performed under a dark swarm - the zerg may have lost the game right there (or at least is put in a severe disadvantage). On top of all that, it is desirable to broodling terran's mech once in a while even though queens are very easy to counter lategame by T.

Not to mention that sometimes the zerg must commit and lose a good part of his army to only realize that the he will lose the fight and to back off.
Enjoy the game
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
April 26 2017 09:31 GMT
#1449
On April 26 2017 16:20 toriak wrote:
watch larva's ZvT
he is damn good when not on stage
his muta micro is just sick


Jaedong, EffOrt, Soulkey, HerO all have beter ZvT than Larva IMO but the endresult is what duke91 described and it's really tiring to watch
Enjoy the game
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-26 10:35:29
April 26 2017 10:09 GMT
#1450




[image loading]


JD's yestetday interview.

It is nothing new info about him.

He says

1. Game is the first for me

2. My condition is not better than ASL2. So i need to practice more.

3. No plan to join any clans

4. No plan to stream with other BJs.

5. He accuse Trolls. (I already write it in another thread.
BW General or Afreeca Feed? I cant remember. lol)

6. JD want to show you not only 'Progamer JD' but also ' The human Jaedong'.

7. He want to be a champion of ASL3.

8. No plan to stream another contents except BW.

duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 26 2017 10:17 GMT
#1451
Which could work is what Zero experimented with sometimes. He planted the third hatch directly on the 3rd gas expansion, which gives a slight but substantial mineral boost (as zerg are usually mineral starved around the transition to lurkers) and gives some more security in securing the third (through 2 sunkens) as well as a faster transition to defilers imo. So Z has to go even more greedy nowadays.

Also Jaedong showed an interesting adjustment in the game vs Mong. He set his rally point on CB basically in the middle of the map, which.

1. prevents mines from being planted for free since vultures have a harder time to do so.
2. can pressure much better since weak points are attacked easier after being identified. I'm pretty sure this will slowly become standard (if Z is in the position to do such things).

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
April 26 2017 10:37 GMT
#1452
A friend of mine also mentioned adding hydras to snipe mines. We discussed it a lot and I didn't really have any big arguments against it in the end. Perhaps less lings and more hydras could work? But a critical mass needs to exist before it would work. And one mine kills easily 8 hydras if it reaches them.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
toriak
Profile Joined December 2008
Slovakia477 Posts
April 26 2017 11:24 GMT
#1453
On April 26 2017 18:31 LRM)TechnicS wrote:


Jaedong, EffOrt, Soulkey, HerO all have beter ZvT than Larva IMO but the endresult is what duke91 described and it's really tiring to watch

in what parallel universe is that ?
even herO ?!?
kidding ?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-27 04:34:00
April 27 2017 04:33 GMT
#1454
On April 26 2017 19:37 Ota Solgryn wrote:
A friend of mine also mentioned adding hydras to snipe mines. We discussed it a lot and I didn't really have any big arguments against it in the end. Perhaps less lings and more hydras could work? But a critical mass needs to exist before it would work. And one mine kills easily 8 hydras if it reaches them.

the biggest argument against hydras is gas.
it was well known even in the proleague days that the best possible army composition for zerg wasnt just ultra/lurker/ling. the only reason we couldnt see hydras much was because zerg needs so much gas for lurkers, ultras, defilers, scourge etc.
like you said, there needs to be a minimum number of hydras before you can start using them effectively and this number just didnt work well with a typical zerg economy
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
April 27 2017 07:24 GMT
#1455
I haven't seen JD try or practice Hydra/Queen combo vs Terran mech recently. Speaking of, how does Zerg decide to go Queens anyways, at what point in the game do they decide that it is going to be a viable option?
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
April 27 2017 07:45 GMT
#1456
On April 26 2017 18:31 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2017 16:20 toriak wrote:
watch larva's ZvT
he is damn good when not on stage
his muta micro is just sick


Jaedong, EffOrt, Soulkey, HerO all have beter ZvT than Larva IMO but the endresult is what duke91 described and it's really tiring to watch

No way, Larva is actually really good on ZvT
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
April 27 2017 10:27 GMT
#1457
I hope Jaedong is busy training some super cool late game anti-mech strategy off the stream to upset Last in Ro16 and later destroy Flash. He must know he need some new gimmicks for the new ZvT meta.
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 27 2017 12:13 GMT
#1458
THIS GAME LOL
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
April 27 2017 12:15 GMT
#1459
JD is playing with Lomo now bo3.
http://m.afreecatv.com/#/player/juheung
TL+ Member
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
April 27 2017 13:03 GMT
#1460
I hope to see people actually using ensnare more, also "offensive or passive" plague-ing if that makes any sense. The computer A.I. does it a lot and it's the most annoying thing to deal with since it's practically unstoppable
https://cinesnipe.com
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