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How to stack Mutas on Wraiths

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Bolshevik-
Profile Joined November 2015
39 Posts
November 04 2016 19:58 GMT
#1
Say you are a player commanding 6 mutas and 6 wraiths. Does anybody here know how to stack the mutas on TOP of the wraiths instead of the other way around.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
November 04 2016 20:05 GMT
#2
wait what? mutas on top of wraiths?

You can stack any air unit as long as you have it grouped with any unit which is far away.
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Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
November 04 2016 20:08 GMT
#3
Does selection order make a difference?
If not, does the time at which the unit was built make a difference?
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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
November 04 2016 20:11 GMT
#4
Has to do with the "magic box" distance, if you click with a selection of units outside of this area, the selected units will converge onto 1 point (where you clicked). If you click within this area, the units will retain their formation relative to one another. the units doesn't matter.

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Bolshevik-
Profile Joined November 2015
39 Posts
November 04 2016 21:56 GMT
#5
What I'm trying to do is get mutalisks on top of wraiths when I stack them. I don't believe it has anything to do with the order of selecting the units. The information about the magic box is nice. It shows how to stack, but not how to stack the mutalisks on top of the wraiths.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 04 2016 22:16 GMT
#6
What do you mean with "on top of"?
awerti
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 22:20:26
November 04 2016 22:20 GMT
#7
On November 05 2016 07:16 Freakling wrote:
What do you mean with "on top of"?


I think he wants to use 6 mutas and 6 wraiths in one control group and wants the mutas to appear on top. He probably wants to substitute 1 air unit for a stuck land unit to achieve the clumping effect. But the question still stands, how to get certain units to appear on top of the stack, while others are hidden?
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1407 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-04 23:24:50
November 04 2016 23:20 GMT
#8
How could 3 out of 5 people not get what he was asking?

I have no idea how it works, I think it has something to do with what unit was built earlier, like Kau assumed...
In my test just now, I could stack mutas on top of certain wraiths, and I think it worked when I build the muta earlier... but there were weird exceptions to this rule, mutas or wraiths that would just stack on top of any unit that I built earlier...

Another thing I thought of was the individual unit rank, but that wasn't it. Then I thought it might be the position in the 12-unit-selection... didn't test everything there, but I don't think it matters. The unit that stacks on top is on top always it seems, no matter if they're in a shared selection or not...

I hope this isn't some obvious thing that's embarassing to not have thought of when someone enlightens us...
Bolshevik-
Profile Joined November 2015
39 Posts
November 04 2016 23:48 GMT
#9
On November 05 2016 08:20 Highgamer wrote:
How could 3 out of 5 people not get what he was asking?

I have no idea how it works, I think it has something to do with what unit was built earlier, like Kau assumed...
In my test just now, I could stack mutas on top of certain wraiths, and I think it worked when I build the muta earlier... but there were weird exceptions to this rule, mutas or wraiths that would just stack on top of any unit that I built earlier...

Another thing I thought of was the individual unit rank, but that wasn't it. Then I thought it might be the position in the 12-unit-selection... didn't test everything there, but I don't think it matters. The unit that stacks on top is on top always it seems, no matter if they're in a shared selection or not...

I hope this isn't some obvious thing that's embarassing to not have thought of when someone enlightens us...


Thanks, there is this one WWII map I play on iccup which when I played with koreans they actually are able to stack mutas on top.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5501 Posts
November 05 2016 05:30 GMT
#10
add the mutas to the control group second?
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Bolshevik-
Profile Joined November 2015
39 Posts
November 05 2016 21:43 GMT
#11
On November 05 2016 14:30 jimminy_kriket wrote:
add the mutas to the control group second?


no dont work either
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 05 2016 22:12 GMT
#12
Does it actually make a difference?
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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
November 05 2016 22:54 GMT
#13
I haven't found any way to replicate it consistently but I've noticed there tends to be units that differ in their flying "height".

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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 05 2016 23:03 GMT
#14
Isn't the unit with the lower y position considered to be on top? That's at least how sprites are normally rendered.

If two units actually stack perfectly (i.e. pixel-perfect same position) it probably is their position in the unit list which makes a difference (I think it's a linked list, so it probably is determined by spawn order).
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10141 Posts
November 05 2016 23:26 GMT
#15
The other question to add to this is = is it the top muta/wraith that gets auto-attacked first, always? Assuming perfect stack. Obviously it is useful to have muta on top for anti-targeting purposes I guess, but this is an interesting corollary.
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 19:53:54
November 09 2016 19:53 GMT
#16
Did some actual testing on this, and turns out to be very straight forward: With stacked air units, the one with the lowest unit ID will always be displayed on top (i.e. units will be stacked in order of their unit ID, lowest one on top.
To make this work, the Larva that is to be morphed into the Mutalisk therefore needs to have spawned before the Wraith finishes (haven't tried this last bit out in detail, but this is basically what you should try).
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
November 09 2016 20:05 GMT
#17
Does this have some practical applications? Like does right click attack not usually prioritize the unit on top?
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 10 2016 00:54 GMT
#18
That would be exactly the practical implication for this.
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