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prech
United States2948 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sAjRCFUm.jpg) In case folks didn't catch the end of the the  ASL finals, or the brief mentions of it in the LR thread, Afreeca's CEO reiterated his/their support for BW and that season 2 would be held in December.Good to hear Afreeca/Kongdoo/sponsors are holding up their word after announcing two Starleagues in 2016 at the conclusion of the VNSL!Sources: 1, 2 
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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LML
Germany1754 Posts
Or do you think it's just good will? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10665 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:19 LML wrote: that means they made enough money on this to see a future? Or that they saw the potential to make money with it soon? Or do you think it's just good will? Considering that it had two sponsors it seems to work out i guess? | ||
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StarFoxeR
68 Posts
just in time for jaedong | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 12 2016 10:23 StarFoxeR wrote: great just in time for jaedong That's what I am hoping for. Please let this happen! | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
My reasoning for seeding top 8 instead of top 4 is simply because you basically remove all the good terrans from the prelims who'd qualify into the tournament anyway, leaving fewer spots for new and old faces. I do think this level of manipulation for a stacked tournament is necessary. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
P.S. Bring back Doom Zooms, Avalon and better Group Selection Ceremonies. | ||
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prech
United States2948 Posts
On September 12 2016 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: heres what I'd like to see for season 2
My reasoning for seeding top 8 instead of top 4 is simply because you basically remove all the good terrans from the prelims who'd qualify into the tournament anyway, leaving fewer spots for new and old faces. I do think this level of manipulation for a stacked tournament is necessary. Definitely would like to see a resource/unit counter, or, if at least use the proper observer/map settings to show resources/unit count upon observer selection. Good idea about the 8 seeds enabling more spots -- those qualifiers are so tough and depend so much on lucky draws, so some really good players very likely were eliminated too early I imagine the prize pool is tied to the number of participants, if the organizers open it up to 32 players, it'd probably have to be reflected by the prize pool, and vice versa. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia12939 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:05 RowdierBob wrote: Whatever happened to that tourney with the promised $50k prize? LoveTV Starleague Season 3? On June 05 2015 07:21 prech wrote: Thanks to jingyung2  --LoveTV's announcement effectively cancelled Season 3 as we know it. She apologized, says she's sorry for the absence, and that she's been busy. In Dec 2014, the sponsor already said they would not sponsor the Starleague, so they were looking for a different sponsor all this time, but were unable to find one. Can't reveal sponsor name due to the contract. Wants to post contract details for all to see as evidence, but worried about legal ramifications and damage to the sponsor's reputation if more information is revealed. So all the Season 3 announcements have been wipe from her board  Source: http://bit.ly/1SYX0zv + Show Spoiler [Korean announcement] + 안녕하세요 BJ사랑e입니다. 한동안 이래저래 좀 힘든 시간이 되어 한동안 방송으로 찾아뵙지 못했는대요. 우선 죄송하다는 말씀을 먼저 드리고 싶습니다. 많은 분들이 제 방송국에서 준비되고 있는 리그에 대해 우려반 응원반의 시선을 보내주셨었는대요. 우선 결론부터 말씀드리자면 작년 12월 기업측으로부터 최종적으로 리그 진행을 할 수 없다는 최종통보를 받았습니다. 그후로 다른 기업 한두곳 정도와 접촉을 해보았으나 그 또한 여의치 않게 되어 리그가 무산되었습니다. 이 글을 보시면서 또 사기꾼이라고 욕을 하실 분들이 훨씬 많겠다는 생각이 들지 않는건 아니지만 솔직하게 상황을 말씀드리고 뭐 욕을 하시면 달게 받고 이 또한 제가 겪어야 할 일인 것 같아 글을 올립니다. 그동안 리그를 준비하면서 제 그릇에 넘치는 큰 규모 때문에 제 자신도 너무 힘들었던 것도 사실이고 특히나 제 주장은 거의없이 기업측에서 시키는대로 모두 따를 수 밖에 없었던 것이 화근이 된 것 같습니다. 일정이 온전히 나올때까지 기업 이름을 공개하지 못하게 했던 것이 어쩌면 기업에서는 어느 정도 리그를 하지 않을 상황을 대비한게 아니었나 하는 생각이 뒤늦게 들었습니다. 사실 저에게는 계약내용등이 적혀 있는 가계약서가 있습니다. 리그가 무산되고 난 뒤에 가계약서 공개를 해서라도 거짓이라고 하시는 분들께 이런 일이 진행되고 있었다는 사실을 증명하고 싶었습니다. 하지만 그 쪽 기업측에서 가계약서를 공개할 시 기업측에서 받을 이미지 타격을 운운하며 저에게 책임을 질 수 있느냐고 되물었습니다. 저라는 한 개인이 기업을 상대로.. 할 수 있는 것이 아무 것도 없었습니다. 물론 현재도 할 수 있는 일이 없는건 마찬가지입니다.. 그동안 믿고 기다려 주셨던 분들과 지지해 주셨던 분들께 진심으로 사죄드립니다. 앞으로 어떤 형태가 될지는 모르겠지만 다시 찾아뵙게 된다면 초심으로 겸손한 BJ로 돌아오도록 하겠습니다. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24369088 | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1667 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:19 LML wrote: that means they made enough money on this to see a future? Or that they saw the potential to make money with it soon? Or do you think it's just good will? Come on man, you've been around long enough to know that asking questions of BW's future and commercial viability is pointless. All we can do is enjoy the BW, and we certainly can't guess if/how long it's going to last. Assume it'll last forever, and participate, and we're all winners really :D | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5588 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
Poll: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? Include Both (21) Remove Overwatch (15) Remove Both (5) Remove Taebaek Mountains (4) 45 total votes Your vote: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? (Vote): Include Both | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: hmm theres one more thing Poll: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? Include Both (21) Remove Overwatch (15) Remove Both (5) Remove Taebaek Mountains (4) 45 total votes Your vote: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? (Vote): Include Both I actually liked Taebaek Mountains a lot because it always produced some kind of crazy game. Overwatch wasn't bad...maybe a little on the bland side, but it led to some cool games too. I'll take something interesting in their stead, but I wouldn't really want a tournament played only on Circuit Breaker + Fighting Spirit :p. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On September 12 2016 12:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: heres what I'd like to see for season 2
My reasoning for seeding top 8 instead of top 4 is simply because you basically remove all the good terrans from the prelims who'd qualify into the tournament anyway, leaving fewer spots for new and old faces. I do think this level of manipulation for a stacked tournament is necessary. I think 4 seeded players and 24 qualified players for the stage game is the most ideal rule. Therefore they can begin R24 to eliminate 12 players and then start R16 later. They can still try R32, but i have a feeling that R32 will show us poor quality games. Therefore many audience will completely talk trash on game community website. BTW, there are a lot of minor leagues(on/offline tournaments) out there. You can check on cafe.naver.com and cafe.naver.com I just won yesterday for sc1 tour and met Shine as well(took a photo with him). After that I also won a lottery from that event(You can check on my stream what I won from it). + Show Spoiler + He's secretly playing and planning to switch to sc1. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: hmm theres one more thing Poll: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? Include Both (21) Remove Overwatch (15) Remove Both (5) Remove Taebaek Mountains (4) 45 total votes Your vote: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? (Vote): Include Both Average % of "Yes" recommendation per map during the whole Tournament: Fighting Spirit: 54% Circuit Breaker: 63% Overwatch: 64% Taebaek Sanmaek: 80% | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6505 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: hmm theres one more thing Poll: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? Include Both (21) Remove Overwatch (15) Remove Both (5) Remove Taebaek Mountains (4) 45 total votes Your vote: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? (Vote): Include Both I like both maps, but I am wondering if keeping both will give more or less incentives to have new maps. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On September 12 2016 19:13 endy wrote: I like both maps, but I am wondering if keeping both will give more or less incentives to have new maps. I feel it's highly unlikely they'll remove Fighting Spirit or Circuit Breaker anytime soon, so if new maps are to be introduced then one (if not both) of the newest maps will have to be replaced. Having said that, I feel 1 more season with Overwatch and TB Mountains would provide more stability on the professional scene, now that it is being re-established. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 12 2016 19:54 ZiggyPG wrote: I feel it's highly unlikely they'll remove Fighting Spirit or Circuit Breaker anytime soon, so if new maps are to be introduced then one (if not both) of the newest maps will have to be replaced. Having said that, I feel 1 more season with Overwatch and TB Mountains would provide more stability on the professional scene, now that it is being re-established. Exactly, on one hand that could possibly mean no new map will the added so it's pointless to make a new map now. On the other hand if you're a map maker and your map is being removed after only one season despite the very positive feedback you have every right to be disappointed. I guess the only solution is to remove "classic" maps, but it's not an easy decision given the love for Fighting Spirit. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On September 12 2016 20:02 endy wrote: Exactly, on one hand that could possibly mean no new map will the added so it's pointless to make a new map now. On the other hand if you're a map maker and your map is being removed after only one season despite the very positive feedback you have every right to be disappointed. I guess the only solution is to remove "classic" maps, but it's not an easy decision given the love for Fighting Spirit. In addition to that Fighting Spirit and Circuit Breaker have been around for so long they could work as a "beacon" for old timers trying to get back into competitive BW. I fear, though, leaving them might also create too much stagnation which would in turn repel potential viewers and players. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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iu1nguoi0iuminh
Vietnam44 Posts
My point, you should remove Overwatch map. So It is so boring and it same the Lamancha or Jade, The Overwatch hasn't many situations to fighting. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: hmm theres one more thing Poll: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? Include Both (21) Remove Overwatch (15) Remove Both (5) Remove Taebaek Mountains (4) 45 total votes Your vote: Overwatch and Taebaek Mountains for S2? (Vote): Include Both add Avalon | ||
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
Fix avalon first. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4804 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13967 Posts
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
its not just fs and cb anymore. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
why fix whats perfect? | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On September 12 2016 17:52 LaStScan wrote: I just won yesterday for sc1 tour and met Shine as well(took a photo with him). After that I also won a lottery from that event(You can check on my stream what I won from it). + Show Spoiler + He's secretly playing and planning to switch to sc1. omg, what if 424 is Shine?! :O | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3091 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 13 2016 00:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: bring back Triathlon. I'd be ok with that, but we need HiyA then. | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
Maybe you should play on the map first before you make that comment. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
I can tell you that he binds all hatcheries at 5 and 2(this one i believe) for units in sc2. He got a second place in that minor tour. I was told to sit next to him because they have to mix sc2 players and sc1 players for R8. | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
On September 13 2016 00:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: bring back Triathlon. bring back holy world | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On September 12 2016 20:58 ZiggyPG wrote: I'm not saying it can't, I'm just pointing out the outcome of such an action could be ambiguous in nature. From what I've heard most players have become fed up with FS, not sure about the opinion of the current Korean audience. They fucking better. Neo Neo Python is a garbage map and it's a travesty that it passed Destination for most games played. Bring back Destination, original Outsider and original HBR (aka movietown) and I'm good. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 13 2016 05:00 Cryoc wrote: Maybe you should play on the map first before you make that comment. maybe you should let the pure light of Avalon penetrate your putrid dark heart | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
Does anyone have a good explanation for the domination of Terran? Is it the maps? More crowded maps benefits Terran. Is it because terran is more structured and rigid and benefits when the strategies are more stagnant? Or were terran players more likely to stay loyal to BW because they were more likely to have personal traits that lines up with the terran philosophy? If I recall correctly, terran players were definately overrepresented among the kespa progamers who jumped ship on SC2 early on. I was quite unimpressed by the TvP of Sharp and Last. Last seemed too scared and passive in the lategame. Was it a fluke? Shuttle was great, but I got the feeling that Shuttle were comfortable in control of most games, and that really shouldn't be happening. Sea and Flash must be better than that right? | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:07 L1ghtning wrote: I haven't really followed the scene that much the last few years, but ASL1 and the promise of more tournaments hyped me up. Does anyone have a good explanation for the domination of Terran? Is it the maps? More crowded maps benefits Terran. Is it because terran is more structured and rigid and benefits when the strategies are more stagnant? Or were terran players more likely to stay loyal to BW because they were more likely to have personal traits that lines up with the terran philosophy? If I recall correctly, terran players were definately overrepresented among the kespa progamers who jumped ship on SC2 early on. I was quite unimpressed by the TvP of Sharp and Last. Last seemed too scared and passive in the lategame. Was it a fluke? Shuttle was great, but I got the feeling that Shuttle were comfortable in control of most games, and that really shouldn't be happening. Sea and Flash must be better than that right? Well Bisu wasn't in this tournament. And BeSt/Effort wanted to play more "conventional" PvTs and ZvTs but then the opponents exploited some weird weak timing in their defense. The games they've lost can actually go both ways if the timings are even 2 seconds off. So the game is very much razor sharp. | ||
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prech
United States2948 Posts
On September 13 2016 09:07 L1ghtning wrote: I haven't really followed the scene that much the last few years, but ASL1 and the promise of more tournaments hyped me up. Does anyone have a good explanation for the domination of Terran? Is it the maps? More crowded maps benefits Terran. Is it because terran is more structured and rigid and benefits when the strategies are more stagnant? Or were terran players more likely to stay loyal to BW because they were more likely to have personal traits that lines up with the terran philosophy? If I recall correctly, terran players were definately overrepresented among the kespa progamers who jumped ship on SC2 early on. I was quite unimpressed by the TvP of Sharp and Last. Last seemed too scared and passive in the lategame. Was it a fluke? Shuttle was great, but I got the feeling that Shuttle were comfortable in control of most games, and that really shouldn't be happening. Sea and Flash must be better than that right? In general, the maps have some effect on the imbalance, particularly Fighting Spirit, as has been well documented. Protoss and Zerg generally do a good deal better on, say, Circuit Breaker. More than anything, there is such a small BW scene in terms of number of progamers (that manage to make a living through Afreeca donations), and there happen to be proportionately many more Terran than the other two races. Looking at the list of active/competitive Afreeca BJs, there are ~10-12 Terran versus only four Zerg and ~six-seven Protoss progamers. | ||
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handsomeTom
Canada6 Posts
On September 13 2016 00:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: bring back Triathlon. yeah Thriathlon is the GOAT. Also FS needs to be replaced. | ||
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Filco
France154 Posts
On September 13 2016 08:08 amazingxkcd wrote: maybe you should let the pure light of Avalon penetrate your putrid dark heart I love Avalon, I have played a lot on this map, and I really enjoyed seeing it in the Sonic Starleague. But how come this map is so loved? What do you guys love about it ? I mean it's a really awesome map, but what is it that make you so loving it? Is it because it's a snow/ice map? | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
But what do I know, amazingxkcd arguments were so sound, I am probably off. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49782 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: he knows how bad the map is, hes so appalled that it ever got through that hes just trolling with it. wow, way to expose me | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10093 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On September 13 2016 22:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: he knows how bad the map is, hes so appalled that it ever got through that hes just trolling with it. that's how you get 15k posts  Or you do it like i'm doin right now ^ | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On September 13 2016 21:10 Cryoc wrote: Maybe he likes it because of the vast space in the mains allowing you to build approximately 3 production facilities, or that it depends on the starting location if you want to wall in. The reason could also be that you cannot transfer workers directly to the adjacent 4th base locations from any of the the initial 3 bases in some cases without them getting stuck behind the temples. But what do I know, amazingxkcd arguments were so sound, I am probably off. Slow down, Avalon has flaws but it doesn't mean it can't be tweaked or modified to fix gameplay problems. Also yeah, the mains are quite small so I used to build other stuff in the back expo. | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On September 16 2016 02:04 c3rberUs wrote: Slow down, Avalon has flaws but it doesn't mean it can't be tweaked or modified to fix gameplay problems. Also yeah, the mains are quite small so I used to build other stuff in the back expo. If someone says why fix whats perfect? I am pretty sure that indicates no changes. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
On September 13 2016 00:06 BLinD-RawR wrote: bring back Triathlon. hell yes | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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prech
United States2948 Posts
On September 16 2016 04:36 ZiggyPG wrote: On another note; having already accrued a few new sponsors for the league, do you think it's still too early to expect personal sponsorships to arise or teams to reform? We'll have to see about enough funds for teams, but personal sponsorships are pretty common. Many Afreeca BJs have ads in the corners of their streams ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iKeKqa9m.png) | ||
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