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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:22:45
July 27 2016 19:18 GMT
#321
On July 28 2016 04:12 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 04:03 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:57 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.


The existence of such rare games only proves the point.
Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing.
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.
But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life

Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more.

They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.

The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps.

Fare point.
Modesty was an interesting zerg, pity we didn't see him develop further.
My experience and bias against using guards is based on the many vods I watched where most of the fails were due to very poor guardian control and defense. Basically every guardian strategy revolves around making them and sending via ctrl+a to kill something which easily gets countered. I have rarely seen scourges sent to defend an expensive group of 5-7 guardians.

the only problem i see here is we were talking about pizza barbecue just to buy pizza 4 fromages. :D

no what i mean is,2hatch muta with fast third into guards is pretty nice,it just requires monster micro and a bit of luck with oponent style of play,if you are a zerg player doing this facing a terran going for rax cc into rax early push u can say good bye to your third,and u will be proly already forced to make sunkens.so your timing is already delayed,or you can always face a more conservative terran player that just decides to defend just to get 3 starports wraiths and annihilate your guards,the chances to f*ck up doing 2 hatch is pretty high.

letian here is shinee broadcast http://live.afreecatv.com:8079/app/index.cgi?szType=read_ucc_bbs&szBjId=onlysibar&nStationNo=774289&nBbsNo=12200217&nTitleNo=38939133&nRowNum=15&szSkin=&nPageNo=1
check if no lag Oo
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 19:36 GMT
#322
letian here is shinee broadcast http://live.afreecatv.com:8079/app/index.cgi?szType=read_ucc_bbs&szBjId=onlysibar&nStationNo=774289&nBbsNo=12200217&nTitleNo=38939133&nRowNum=15&szSkin=&nPageNo=1
check if no lag Oo

(。◕‿◕。)
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
July 27 2016 21:15 GMT
#323

cmon this has been like 3 weeks since jaedong has played. EFFORT WAS LOSING TO C/D on ladder when he first came. Flash was losing to shinee 0-3 on ladder. AND THIS IS ZVT. FS IS MOST IMBA map for zvt yet jaedong is 12-9 against shinee who hits #1~#6 on fish ladder every season? that is downright awesome


Exactly. And the list of the ex-pros who had hard times during skill recovering can be extended.
Du kan om du vill...
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
July 28 2016 11:37 GMT
#324
On July 27 2016 10:42 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 07:13 9heart wrote:
scan did really well lately

sziky retire?

Eonzerg said games vs ex-pro = auto-loss


Szikys in sc2 1.2 or 2.2 years ago.
Im busy lately getting kr driver's license.
Tryna get DL within 2 days right now. Lol
+ Show Spoiler +
passed written test yesterday and ability test today. Waiting for applying a drive test atm.


Sziky does not play sc2 anymore.
yo~.~
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 12:12:44
July 28 2016 12:11 GMT
#325
Well, after watching games with Shinee, I have more confidence that it might be JD, because of the muta control and solid macro. Also the victories our Shinee looked like an avalanche which something only former pro could pull off. Losses were mostly due to poor unit control (like forgetting and losing the key defiler in open), doing some funky allins. Decision making was also not an amateur lvl so if this is not JD, I'd like to see this guy perform some TV matches.
LetaBot
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
Netherlands557 Posts
July 28 2016 13:11 GMT
#326
On July 28 2016 20:37 trutaCz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 10:42 LaStScan wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:13 9heart wrote:
scan did really well lately

sziky retire?

Eonzerg said games vs ex-pro = auto-loss


Szikys in sc2 1.2 or 2.2 years ago.
Im busy lately getting kr driver's license.
Tryna get DL within 2 days right now. Lol
+ Show Spoiler +
passed written test yesterday and ability test today. Waiting for applying a drive test atm.


Sziky does not play sc2 anymore.


Does he have plans to go back to Brood War?
If you cannot win with 100 apm, win with 100 cpm.
Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
July 28 2016 13:39 GMT
#327
Uploaded the Shinee games here.
"Reddit on the other hand has always just been a box full of retarded blind puppies licking and sniffing everything they come in contact with and leaving it moist and oily" - Gamegene
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5529 Posts
July 28 2016 15:58 GMT
#328
Holayy crap that's alot of games
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 28 2016 16:41 GMT
#329
Shinee asked jiko: Are you progamer or amateur? Jiko responded: I'm STILL playing for fun for NOW. My skills are still lacking."

Life is just life
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 28 2016 17:53 GMT
#330
On July 29 2016 01:41 Shinokuki wrote:
Shinee asked jiko: Are you progamer or amateur? Jiko responded: I'm STILL playing for fun for NOW. My skills are still lacking."


Huh that is interesting.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
July 28 2016 17:57 GMT
#331
Jiko is JD fur sure! The tyrant is back!
Flash returns...
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
July 28 2016 18:09 GMT
#332
Well he can only play for fun now since he is under EG contract..... I bet he would make more by just streaming now
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 28 2016 18:12 GMT
#333
I wonder how that works out. JD does nothing for EG atm. Very weird situation
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 28 2016 19:21 GMT
#334
Yeah I am shocked his contract goes until November. He's done no streaming, no tournaments. Is he still being paid by them? Very weird situation, I hope eventually we find out more before November...
When I think of something else, something will go here
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 28 2016 19:32 GMT
#335
According to TL his last games were in 2016-02-03, 2016 GSL S1 Code A, where he lost bo5 to Leenock.
So, much time to secretly practice BW
Poly_Optimize
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada156 Posts
July 28 2016 20:11 GMT
#336
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 28 2016 20:37 GMT
#337
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.
Life is just life
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 21:05:55
July 28 2016 20:50 GMT
#338
On July 29 2016 05:37 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.


Movie spoke about PL and SC2?

If all of this is true, is there potential that KeSPA goes back to BW?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
July 28 2016 21:17 GMT
#339
On July 29 2016 05:50 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 05:37 Shinokuki wrote:
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.


Movie spoke about PL and SC2?

If all of this is true, is there potential that KeSPA goes back to BW?


most koreans seem to know its gonna end soon. I doubt kespa goes back to bw. Koreans are speculating SKT is getting ready to cut sc2 sponsor.
Life is just life
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 23:22:01
July 28 2016 23:16 GMT
#340
The viewers are all there, the best players (almost all except JD) are also there. Just get the sponsors, PL back and one OSL -- money will flow. Well, it might not be as big but it could at least be better than now. Current afreeca model exists as long as there are good players, all of them are former pros. If no new players appear, the scene is destined to slowly fade into oblivion... And new players will emerge only with the reestablishment of PL.
My personal opinion, BW can be revived and businesses can make money, but the chances are pretty low, the sad reality is that we shall have 3-5 more years before it will go away with almost all our pros reduce streaming time / go to army / have a family / you name it. Also, the level of games will never increase because this is all "playing for fun".

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