• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:53
CEST 19:53
KST 02:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 298Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!0Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back3BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion7BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion7Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back Is the larve respawn broken? Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6369 users

Jaedong returns to BW - Page 17

Forum Index > BW General
1492 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 75 Next
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7006 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:22:45
July 27 2016 19:18 GMT
#321
On July 28 2016 04:12 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 04:03 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:57 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.


The existence of such rare games only proves the point.
Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing.
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.
But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life

Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more.

They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.

The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps.

Fare point.
Modesty was an interesting zerg, pity we didn't see him develop further.
My experience and bias against using guards is based on the many vods I watched where most of the fails were due to very poor guardian control and defense. Basically every guardian strategy revolves around making them and sending via ctrl+a to kill something which easily gets countered. I have rarely seen scourges sent to defend an expensive group of 5-7 guardians.

the only problem i see here is we were talking about pizza barbecue just to buy pizza 4 fromages. :D

no what i mean is,2hatch muta with fast third into guards is pretty nice,it just requires monster micro and a bit of luck with oponent style of play,if you are a zerg player doing this facing a terran going for rax cc into rax early push u can say good bye to your third,and u will be proly already forced to make sunkens.so your timing is already delayed,or you can always face a more conservative terran player that just decides to defend just to get 3 starports wraiths and annihilate your guards,the chances to f*ck up doing 2 hatch is pretty high.

letian here is shinee broadcast http://live.afreecatv.com:8079/app/index.cgi?szType=read_ucc_bbs&szBjId=onlysibar&nStationNo=774289&nBbsNo=12200217&nTitleNo=38939133&nRowNum=15&szSkin=&nPageNo=1
check if no lag Oo
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 19:36 GMT
#322
letian here is shinee broadcast http://live.afreecatv.com:8079/app/index.cgi?szType=read_ucc_bbs&szBjId=onlysibar&nStationNo=774289&nBbsNo=12200217&nTitleNo=38939133&nRowNum=15&szSkin=&nPageNo=1
check if no lag Oo

(。◕‿◕。)
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
July 27 2016 21:15 GMT
#323

cmon this has been like 3 weeks since jaedong has played. EFFORT WAS LOSING TO C/D on ladder when he first came. Flash was losing to shinee 0-3 on ladder. AND THIS IS ZVT. FS IS MOST IMBA map for zvt yet jaedong is 12-9 against shinee who hits #1~#6 on fish ladder every season? that is downright awesome


Exactly. And the list of the ex-pros who had hard times during skill recovering can be extended.
Du kan om du vill...
trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
July 28 2016 11:37 GMT
#324
On July 27 2016 10:42 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 07:13 9heart wrote:
scan did really well lately

sziky retire?

Eonzerg said games vs ex-pro = auto-loss


Szikys in sc2 1.2 or 2.2 years ago.
Im busy lately getting kr driver's license.
Tryna get DL within 2 days right now. Lol
+ Show Spoiler +
passed written test yesterday and ability test today. Waiting for applying a drive test atm.


Sziky does not play sc2 anymore.
yo~.~
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 12:12:44
July 28 2016 12:11 GMT
#325
Well, after watching games with Shinee, I have more confidence that it might be JD, because of the muta control and solid macro. Also the victories our Shinee looked like an avalanche which something only former pro could pull off. Losses were mostly due to poor unit control (like forgetting and losing the key defiler in open), doing some funky allins. Decision making was also not an amateur lvl so if this is not JD, I'd like to see this guy perform some TV matches.
LetaBot
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
Netherlands557 Posts
July 28 2016 13:11 GMT
#326
On July 28 2016 20:37 trutaCz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 10:42 LaStScan wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:13 9heart wrote:
scan did really well lately

sziky retire?

Eonzerg said games vs ex-pro = auto-loss


Szikys in sc2 1.2 or 2.2 years ago.
Im busy lately getting kr driver's license.
Tryna get DL within 2 days right now. Lol
+ Show Spoiler +
passed written test yesterday and ability test today. Waiting for applying a drive test atm.


Sziky does not play sc2 anymore.


Does he have plans to go back to Brood War?
If you cannot win with 100 apm, win with 100 cpm.
Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
July 28 2016 13:39 GMT
#327
Uploaded the Shinee games here.
"Reddit on the other hand has always just been a box full of retarded blind puppies licking and sniffing everything they come in contact with and leaving it moist and oily" - Gamegene
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5536 Posts
July 28 2016 15:58 GMT
#328
Holayy crap that's alot of games
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
July 28 2016 16:41 GMT
#329
Shinee asked jiko: Are you progamer or amateur? Jiko responded: I'm STILL playing for fun for NOW. My skills are still lacking."

Life is just life
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 28 2016 17:53 GMT
#330
On July 29 2016 01:41 Shinokuki wrote:
Shinee asked jiko: Are you progamer or amateur? Jiko responded: I'm STILL playing for fun for NOW. My skills are still lacking."


Huh that is interesting.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
July 28 2016 17:57 GMT
#331
Jiko is JD fur sure! The tyrant is back!
Flash returns...
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
July 28 2016 18:09 GMT
#332
Well he can only play for fun now since he is under EG contract..... I bet he would make more by just streaming now
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 28 2016 18:12 GMT
#333
I wonder how that works out. JD does nothing for EG atm. Very weird situation
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 28 2016 19:21 GMT
#334
Yeah I am shocked his contract goes until November. He's done no streaming, no tournaments. Is he still being paid by them? Very weird situation, I hope eventually we find out more before November...
When I think of something else, something will go here
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 28 2016 19:32 GMT
#335
According to TL his last games were in 2016-02-03, 2016 GSL S1 Code A, where he lost bo5 to Leenock.
So, much time to secretly practice BW
Poly_Optimize
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada156 Posts
July 28 2016 20:11 GMT
#336
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
July 28 2016 20:37 GMT
#337
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.
Life is just life
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 21:05:55
July 28 2016 20:50 GMT
#338
On July 29 2016 05:37 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.


Movie spoke about PL and SC2?

If all of this is true, is there potential that KeSPA goes back to BW?
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
July 28 2016 21:17 GMT
#339
On July 29 2016 05:50 Wrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 05:37 Shinokuki wrote:
On July 29 2016 05:11 Poly_Optimize wrote:
What is the current popularity of brood war in Korea? There are quite a lot of ex-pro gamers that are still playing, but do they still have the same fame as in the past?

If you had to put a percentage, would you say it's 50-50 between bw and sc2?


its more like 85:15 bw and sc2. sc2 has absolutely no place in korea. According to statistics, sc2 is like ranked 23~30 most played in pc rooms while bw is consistently #6~8. Blizzard is like the only MAJOR sponsor that keeps sc2 running. No one plays sc2 in korea. Also, according to movie, he says this may be the last proleague scene for sc2. Sc2 is going to die in korea soon.


Movie spoke about PL and SC2?

If all of this is true, is there potential that KeSPA goes back to BW?


most koreans seem to know its gonna end soon. I doubt kespa goes back to bw. Koreans are speculating SKT is getting ready to cut sc2 sponsor.
Life is just life
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-28 23:22:01
July 28 2016 23:16 GMT
#340
The viewers are all there, the best players (almost all except JD) are also there. Just get the sponsors, PL back and one OSL -- money will flow. Well, it might not be as big but it could at least be better than now. Current afreeca model exists as long as there are good players, all of them are former pros. If no new players appear, the scene is destined to slowly fade into oblivion... And new players will emerge only with the reestablishment of PL.
My personal opinion, BW can be revived and businesses can make money, but the chances are pretty low, the sad reality is that we shall have 3-5 more years before it will go away with almost all our pros reduce streaming time / go to army / have a family / you name it. Also, the level of games will never increase because this is all "playing for fun".

Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 75 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 2666
UpATreeSC 101
mouzHeroMarine 90
IndyStarCraft 57
RushiSC 34
MindelVK 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4493
Sea 1304
Soulkey 319
firebathero 255
Free 39
Killer 27
Rock 20
Bale 20
NaDa 18
Hm[arnc] 17
[ Show more ]
Shine 7
Dota 2
Gorgc7150
League of Legends
KnowMe76
Counter-Strike
FalleN 1683
fl0m1488
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0120
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr47
Other Games
singsing1820
ceh9522
Grubby233
byalli191
Livibee82
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2549
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV495
Other Games
BasetradeTV264
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 21
• Reevou 5
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4459
• TFBlade1300
Other Games
• imaqtpie1230
• Shiphtur318
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
16h 8m
Replay Cast
1d 15h
CrankTV Team League
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.