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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 17:45 GMT
#301
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 27 2016 17:51 GMT
#302
wow jiko just stomped Kal in an awesome game there. hmm maybe it is JD ? :D
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 27 2016 17:54 GMT
#303
Kal is watching the replay right now of that game if you want to see it
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 18:02 GMT
#304
lol, what a game, Kal was trashed
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 27 2016 18:05 GMT
#305
he really was. How is Kals PvZ now anyway?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 18:08 GMT
#306
On July 28 2016 03:05 Ponder wrote:
he really was. How is Kals PvZ now anyway?

No idea, I have not watched his streams. But given the last replay, not good :D
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 18:19:00
July 27 2016 18:11 GMT
#307
ahh but can you really tell from that last replay if he was infact playing JD ?

Not sure who hes playing now i didnt get the start of it, it might be Jiko again if anyone can confirm?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 18:18 GMT
#308
On July 28 2016 03:11 Ponder wrote:
ahh but can you really tell from that last replay if he was infact playing the dong himself ? :D

the multidrop was pretty brutal and nicely executed, it can be JD
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
July 27 2016 18:21 GMT
#309
which zerg nowadays muta micros against 3 archons and 9 corsairs, losing no muta while killing off a bunch of corsairs and a shuttle?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 18:23 GMT
#310
too many dead overlords and useless guardian attack, too much lost gas, he will lose
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 27 2016 18:26 GMT
#311
i wish BW would go back to the way it was before sc2, so we could actually watch JD fight properly. The way things are now its hard to know if they are just messing around or when they are trying etc.

I guess the few tourneys will give us a bit of a taste but its no where near the regularity needed.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 18:27:09
July 27 2016 18:26 GMT
#312
lol, wtf, my god zerg macro.
Well it wasn't jiko all the time, hahaha
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 18:28 GMT
#313
Aimar21 is MIsO...
Ponder
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United Kingdom66 Posts
July 27 2016 18:30 GMT
#314
Did Aimar21 just win that one ? With guardians ?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
July 27 2016 18:47 GMT
#315
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.

ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 18:58:23
July 27 2016 18:57 GMT
#316
On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=508&v=Sxeh0c5Z4Xo

The existence of such rare games only proves the point.
Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing.
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.
But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:05:23
July 27 2016 19:03 GMT
#317
On July 28 2016 03:57 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=508&v=Sxeh0c5Z4Xo

The existence of such rare games only proves the point.
Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing.
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.
But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life

Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more.

They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.

The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6579 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:12:43
July 27 2016 19:10 GMT
#318
On July 28 2016 02:21 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 02:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:59 duke91 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
im doubting this is jd to be honest...


ZvT vs mech on FS. Even the best zerg look like total noobs sometimes against this. You really have to tryhard 3000% to even have a chance.

Again I hope guardian hydraling be effective against this shit and becomes the new meta. queens are just a hassle, and the standard drop/ultraling/swarm is too volatile.

I base this from all the games i watched.guardian. Hydra is bad,gol full upgraded will smash this composition with siege support.the only realistic option zerg has is start to take cross pos expansion,this way terran has limited options in the late game.


True. This is actually what Effort did sometimes when he came back. I wonder why he doesn't do it anymore. Maybe it takes too long for hydras to transition to this base and could mean instaloss?

The last game vs shinee, at some point jaedong could have won btw. At some point he cut off the map in half with swarm lurkers. reinforcements from bot couldn't go top anymore. Since he wiped off most of the army top, he could have sauron zerged him top and kill most of shinees base there.

well im not really sure about winning but im pretty sure he had the chance to put himself in a better position taking more bases.(he didnt) and the problem is that is not so easy kill a terran when ultras are dying like lings.I also saw bad control with queens.but fs is such a complex map in late game that u really need to take 6 early bases to win the late game battle.and build a bank ,in that game it wasnt Jaedong case,from units numbers i could tell he was always in low mineral numbers.also his defiler control was bad.but this can be just jd tired ? afterall he played more than 18 games just with shinee.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 19:13:22
July 27 2016 19:12 GMT
#319
On July 28 2016 04:03 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 03:57 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:30 B-royal wrote:
Jaedong's guardian surprise was brilliant but I was hoping he'd have more of them to deny 4th, harass natural, or to do something else...

guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...

There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.

Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=508&v=Sxeh0c5Z4Xo

The existence of such rare games only proves the point.
Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing.
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.
But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life

Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more.

Show nested quote +
They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT.

The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps.

Fare point.
Modesty was an interesting zerg, pity we didn't see him develop further.
My experience and bias against using guards is based on the many vods I watched where most of the fails were due to very poor guardian control and defense. Basically every guardian strategy revolves around making them and sending via ctrl+a to kill something which easily gets countered. I have rarely seen scourges sent to defend an expensive group of 5-7 guardians. So, either make them and use the properly or make them and lose.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
July 27 2016 19:15 GMT
#320
On July 28 2016 04:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 02:21 duke91 wrote:
On July 28 2016 02:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:59 duke91 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
im doubting this is jd to be honest...


ZvT vs mech on FS. Even the best zerg look like total noobs sometimes against this. You really have to tryhard 3000% to even have a chance.

Again I hope guardian hydraling be effective against this shit and becomes the new meta. queens are just a hassle, and the standard drop/ultraling/swarm is too volatile.

I base this from all the games i watched.guardian. Hydra is bad,gol full upgraded will smash this composition with siege support.the only realistic option zerg has is start to take cross pos expansion,this way terran has limited options in the late game.


True. This is actually what Effort did sometimes when he came back. I wonder why he doesn't do it anymore. Maybe it takes too long for hydras to transition to this base and could mean instaloss?

The last game vs shinee, at some point jaedong could have won btw. At some point he cut off the map in half with swarm lurkers. reinforcements from bot couldn't go top anymore. Since he wiped off most of the army top, he could have sauron zerged him top and kill most of shinees base there.

well im not really sure about winning but im pretty sure he had the chance to put himself in a better position taking more bases.(he didnt) and the problem is that is not so easy kill a terran when ultras are dying like lings.I also saw bad control with queens.but fs is such a complex map in late game that u really need to take 6 early bases to win the late game battle.and build a bank ,in that game it wasnt Jaedong case,from units numbers i could tell he was always in low mineral numbers.also his defiler control was bad.but this can be just jd tired ? afterall he played more than 18 games just with shinee.

Where are all the vods? >_<
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