EPTOn July 28 2016 01:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...
guardian is a waste,goliath 3-3 > guards. no to tell vessels...
There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose.
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There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose. | ||
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On July 28 2016 03:05 Ponder wrote: he really was. How is Kals PvZ now anyway? No idea, I have not watched his streams. But given the last replay, not good :D | ||
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Not sure who hes playing now i didnt get the start of it, it might be Jiko again if anyone can confirm? | ||
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On July 28 2016 03:11 Ponder wrote: ahh but can you really tell from that last replay if he was infact playing the dong himself ? :D the multidrop was pretty brutal and nicely executed, it can be JD | ||
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I guess the few tourneys will give us a bit of a taste but its no where near the regularity needed. | ||
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Well it wasn't jiko all the time, hahaha | ||
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On July 28 2016 02:45 letian wrote: There is a saying, if zerg makes guardians, he will lose. Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL. | ||
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On July 28 2016 03:47 BisuDagger wrote: Going to have to argue this one. Modesty was extremely successfully with guardians and even won a 41SL with his guardian builds/earned a silver in the LoveTV SL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=508&v=Sxeh0c5Z4Xo The existence of such rare games only proves the point. Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing. They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT. But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life  | ||
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On July 28 2016 03:57 letian wrote: The existence of such rare games only proves the point. Guardians are gas expensive and require constant pasturing. They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT. But watching guardians kill m&m might have some beneficial effects on your personal life Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more. They delay/reduce the defilers which can be lethal in ZvT. The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps. | ||
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On July 28 2016 02:21 duke91 wrote: True. This is actually what Effort did sometimes when he came back. I wonder why he doesn't do it anymore. Maybe it takes too long for hydras to transition to this base and could mean instaloss? The last game vs shinee, at some point jaedong could have won btw. At some point he cut off the map in half with swarm lurkers. reinforcements from bot couldn't go top anymore. Since he wiped off most of the army top, he could have sauron zerged him top and kill most of shinees base there. well im not really sure about winning but im pretty sure he had the chance to put himself in a better position taking more bases.(he didnt) and the problem is that is not so easy kill a terran when ultras are dying like lings.I also saw bad control with queens.but fs is such a complex map in late game that u really need to take 6 early bases to win the late game battle.and build a bank ,in that game it wasnt Jaedong case,from units numbers i could tell he was always in low mineral numbers.also his defiler control was bad.but this can be just jd tired ? afterall he played more than 18 games just with shinee. | ||
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On July 28 2016 04:03 BisuDagger wrote: Actually, the consistent rate of destruction Modesty caused before he stepped away from the scene spoke volumes about it's success. This a great build that zergs should mix in more. The game isn't supposed to make it this far. And if it does, the devastation the guardians cause should allow the transition. I will allow the argument that this build is not viable on all maps. Fare point. Modesty was an interesting zerg, pity we didn't see him develop further. My experience and bias against using guards is based on the many vods I watched where most of the fails were due to very poor guardian control and defense. Basically every guardian strategy revolves around making them and sending via ctrl+a to kill something which easily gets countered. I have rarely seen scourges sent to defend an expensive group of 5-7 guardians. So, either make them and use the properly or make them and lose. | ||
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On July 28 2016 04:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: well im not really sure about winning but im pretty sure he had the chance to put himself in a better position taking more bases.(he didnt) and the problem is that is not so easy kill a terran when ultras are dying like lings.I also saw bad control with queens.but fs is such a complex map in late game that u really need to take 6 early bases to win the late game battle.and build a bank ,in that game it wasnt Jaedong case,from units numbers i could tell he was always in low mineral numbers.also his defiler control was bad.but this can be just jd tired ? afterall he played more than 18 games just with shinee. Where are all the vods? >_< | ||
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