EPTOn March 08 2016 07:29 vOdToasT wrote:
Maybe tournaments with ladder qualification stages?
Maybe tournaments with ladder qualification stages?
Start of season was my assumption (for the big ones) and then perhaps holidays.
[ICCUP] Good signals, activity increased! - Page 2
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Jealous
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Start of season was my assumption (for the big ones) and then perhaps holidays. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 08 2016 04:17 Jealous wrote: Although 1 season being higher than the previous two is hardly a trend, it is uplifting news in itself  Hopefully this upwards climb continues. That might be the case for B, but graph A shows a best fit trendline across the past 8 months with a positive slope. 8 months of consistent increase is enough for me to consider it a trend. | ||
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Jealous
10254 Posts
On March 08 2016 12:56 L_Master wrote: That might be the case for B, but graph A shows a best fit trendline across the past 8 months with a positive slope. 8 months of consistent increase is enough for me to consider it a trend. The best - fit line is deceptive in that it pretty much is a straight line from day 1 to day x's average games per (day? Week?). It implies growth when there practically was none between the first two seasons. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 08 2016 13:24 Jealous wrote: The best - fit line is deceptive in that it pretty much is a straight line from day 1 to day x's average games per (day? Week?). It implies growth when there practically was none between the first two seasons. Lol okay yea I was being pretty lazy with skimming. It's just a best fit line with a really weak r^2. Guess we will just have to watch the next couple seasons and see what happens. It would make sense to me that it's a combination of greater foreign activity as a result of TLS, possibly combined with a little more vibrancy in the KR scene than before and added involvement of people like Tastosis. Stick around to find out if it's lasting!  | ||
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Jealous
10254 Posts
On March 08 2016 13:56 L_Master wrote: Lol okay yea I was being pretty lazy with skimming. It's just a best fit line with a really weak r^2. Guess we will just have to watch the next couple seasons and see what happens. It would make sense to me that it's a combination of greater foreign activity as a result of TLS, possibly combined with a little more vibrancy in the KR scene than before and added involvement of people like Tastosis. Stick around to find out if it's lasting! I'm in it for the long haul ^^ I once said a while ago that I'll be around until the day that I'm #1 BW, even if it means there are only 10 people still playing xD | ||
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On March 08 2016 15:42 Jealous wrote: I'm in it for the long haul ^^ I once said a while ago that I'll be around until the day that I'm #1 BW, even if it means there are only 10 people still playing xD Yea I don't think I'll ever leave either. I seriously adore this game. It really is a special one. It's a daily ritual to watch FPView while eating lunch, and usually at least watch a game or two before bed. Play here or there too, still have designs on going for B- at some point when I know I have 6-12 months I can really devote to some serious BW playing. As it is, BW is too good of a game and my personality such that if I start playing hard I'm really susceptible to it taking over my life. I play enough to never get hopelessly rusty...but not enough to get better by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
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xboi209
United States1173 Posts
On March 08 2016 04:02 B-royal wrote: Excellent news. MakeIccupGreatAgain# We must build a wall to prevent the Peruvians from playing on ICCup and then make them pay for it. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 08 2016 19:01 xboi209 wrote: We must build a wall to prevent the Peruvians from playing on ICCup and then make them pay for it. Btw, if Cuba gets better internet, I see a great increase in BW activity. Apparently, people in Cuba play alot of lan BW but can't play online due to connection issues. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On March 08 2016 23:19 duke91 wrote: Btw, if Cuba gets better internet, I see a great increase in BW activity. Apparently, people in Cuba play alot of lan BW but can't play online due to connection issues. That doesn't stop people in Peru playing with bad connections | ||
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pebble444
Italy2500 Posts
Thank you iccup.Face and all the Iccup staff all together for keeping the server up and running, even trought the previous lower partecipation times!! | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 09 2016 01:25 Qikz wrote: That doesn't stop people in Peru playing with bad connections Yeah, but I wonder what kind of talent there is in cuba given that they were isolated so long. Maybe there is someone out there being able to stop Flash? A cuban prodigy? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6794 Posts
On March 09 2016 03:43 duke91 wrote: Yeah, but I wonder what kind of talent there is in cuba given that they were isolated so long. Maybe there is someone out there being able to stop Flash? A cuban prodigy? cuban max lvl is like C+ b- ,im belge (cuban origin ) and been there for holydays played with many players. + that scene is pretty much dead at this point.they are playing dota 2 ^^ | ||
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zimp
Hungary955 Posts
On March 08 2016 12:42 Jealous wrote: Start of season was my assumption (for the big ones) and then perhaps holidays. seems to be even closer to the truth. it seems that the ladder resets drastically increase the activity. (october 1 and jan 1 on the chart) but there are also 2 other huge peaks. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10688 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
On March 08 2016 08:40 Shalashaska_123 wrote: Hello, iCCup.Face. I think it's a little naive to celebrate a 7% increase in games played from the previous two seasons. You'd have to compare it to data from many more seasons prior to determine whether this is significant or not. There might have been more games played in Season 38 because it was in session during the holidays and also because people were practicing for the TLS Championship tournament. I'm skeptical whether this recent spike in activity has anything to do with the new iCCup rating system due to how long ago it was implemented. With the return of FlaSh, I imagine interest in Brood War will soar for a while. On another note, if you delete "kespa" from the title, how are people supposed to distinguish this Hunters map from the one created by Blizzard? If you delete the "Neo" from Neo Jade, how will people distinguish it from the original? In my opinion, these changes do nothing but cause confusion and lead to more waiting time in the lobby downloading maps. Shalashaska_123 P.S. I couldn't help but laugh at these: • ColloseumII 2.0: Change to Colloseum 2.0 • ResonanceII 1.0: Change to Resonance 2.0 I second this, simply awful changes. In my opinion only mapmaker has right to change his own map and players who will return to play gonna confuse everything. Not to mention that with these names no one will recognize thus not gonna play with you on Fish. Cardinal should at least add Neo to end of maps f.e. Jade Neo. | ||
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Jukado
805 Posts
chrisolo A significantly revamped version of the map "The Neo 1.0 Neo 2.5" ? :D Also what I do not really understand is the second digit? Is it version number like the when you have a significantly changed map version and only change some smaller details it becomes 2.2? Or what? Haha, hmm lets see, if a map maker released a map called "The Neo 1.0 Neo 2.5" then it would become “Neo 1.0 Neo 2.5 1.0”. Yeah the second digit is for smaller changes. For example Overwatch was 2.0 but now with this small update it has become 2.1. So why is Cross Game 1.06? Well, previously some of us were doing it that way. Going forward, if Cross Game has a small update, I would probably encourage it to be labelled 1.1. This would continue up to 1.9 if necessary. Maybe it would go to 1.91 after or maybe it would become 2.0. Shalashaska_123 if you delete "kespa" from the title, how are people supposed to distinguish this Hunters map from the one created by Blizzard? If you delete the "Neo" from Neo Jade, how will people distinguish it from the original? In my opinion, these changes do nothing but cause confusion and lead to more waiting time in the lobby downloading maps. All iccup maps have | iCCup | prefix in the title. If someone is hosting the iccup ladder version of Hunters it appears as: | iCCup | Hunters 1.1 The map description is: The Hunters Created by Blizzard Editors: [Ragnarok]Valkyrie, Forgotten_ Version: 1.1 Presented by iCCup Jade map title is now: | iCCup | Jade 2.1 The 2.X denotes it is the Neo version. You need to understand, it was formerly labelled Neo Jade 2.1 in the iccup map pack. So this new name actually finishes off what was started, it follows the previously established convention. Basically its just a tidy up. Map names now follow 1 naming system rather than 3. Going forward, it can only be more clear than before. Is that answering your question Shalashaska? Shalashaska_123 P.S. I couldn't help but laugh at these: • ColosseumII 2.0: Change to Colosseum 2.0 • ResonanceII 1.0: Change to Resonance 2.0 Theres a typo in the op, ResonanceII 1.0 has been changed to Resonance 1.0. 'Resonance I' was a 4 player map concept that was never published. So this map being called Resonance II is not necessary. outscar simply awful changes. In my opinion only mapmaker has right to change his own map and players who will return to play gonna confuse everything. Not to mention that with these names no one will recognize thus not gonna play with you on Fish. Cardinal should at least add Neo to end of maps f.e. Jade Neo. I agree that it would be nice to just use the label given by the map maker. The precedent had already been set to drop Neo prefix though, and it has its advantages. Also, it is better to follow 1 system than 3 at the same time. There is more going on though. Imagine the map maker calls his map Resonance II 1.03a. This is possibly acceptable to you, if so good you are consistent. At some point does it become too much though? How about a map name that is really long. Iccup server uses a | iCCup | prefix to distinguish ladder maps. If the map name was now over 31 characters we have a technical problem where a compromise has to be reached. What if a map maker leaves the scene but everyone wants the map to be updated? If he is the only person with the right to change the name of his map then we are stuck. Maybe that is acceptable to you? If yes, then good you are consistent. Im just checking your position for my own interest. There is also the language barrier and contactability problem. It is theoretically possible for a situation to exist where you have a Korean map, but no contact details. If everyone wanted it added to the pack then should it be added without permission? Probably almost all of the Korean maps in iccup map pack were added without permission from the mappers. So we have to remove all those maps. Hell, iccup itself exists probably without permission from Blizzard, so we should stop using it. What Im saying is that maybe it is possible some human do things without permission, without the moral right and sometimes maybe it benefits in the long run? Im not saying that’s what I necessarily think. And Im not saying thats what has necessarily happened here in this case. Wow this is philosophical now, apologies. I must be enjoying myself. Im being very extreme ofcourse, mainly just for fun of exploring the argument. At the end of the day, changing Neo Jade to Jade 2.X is not that big of a deal. It has advantages and disadvantages. It’s a pragmatic solution to a small problem. But look, I do get it. Consider though, by doing this slightly uncomfortable update, it makes the future more comfortable because now there is a clear system that mappers can expect to encounter if their map is put into the iccup map pack. So it might discourages mappers from using Neo, and from doing 1.03a rather than 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc. This is probably a good thing really right? By the way, Jade actually is a different forked version on iccup because the mineral field in one of the mains is different. This is a massive change that you should be very angry about as the map plays significantly differently now without the author permission. So I just want to check if you are annoyed by this or not. Essentially if you ladder on Jade on iccup, you are playing a special iccup version of the map that plays differently than it will on Fish. Hopefully it’s a version that you actually like. Lastly, Heartbeat had its name completely changed not by the original author. And it has been edited lots without his permission. Again you should be very angry about this. If yes, then good you are consistent. I can understand if a map maker were to come back to the scene and find one of his maps was taken, altered and used he might be annoyed. Most map makers would encourage it. I know this from being part of the scene and reading comments specifically on the subject over the years. Infact I was reading an old thread today on bwmn where this exact thing came up. The original mapper had gone to Diablo, came back and was very happy to discover his map was still actively being updated by others. bwmn don’t protect maps. We encourage sharing, playing around, tweaking, modifying. If what you are doing has some logical approach going on then its good. (making brood war maps is very different to writing a book or something though, if we are talking about a more general copyright subject). By the way Im not thinking of -NegativeZero-, I was actually thinking of JungleTerrain, but really its hypothetical. If I have got it totally wrong, then we can easily reupload Neo Overwatch on bwmn to version 2.0. In that case, you would have to think of iccup map pack as a fork that is controlled by iccup organisation and mappers would understand that they surrender a map to iccup and it could be altered. But this is so far from reality, what actually happened is Ive tweaked Overwatch so that walling is consistent and I hope -NegativeZero- would consider it a good thing. And yes I changed Neo Overwatch 2.0 on bwmn page to the Overwatch 2.1 tweak version. I think its a good choice. Don’t see how playing on Fish is affected. Adding Neo to the end is unnecessary because the version number indicates it. The idea here is to unify under 1 naming convention that works well and preferably is somewhat elegant. Imagine a new map is released. Its called Tiger. Later, a new version is released. Its called Neo Tiger. But then a new version of Neo Tiger is released. What would this be labelled logically? Would it be Tiger SE/Tiger II? Would it be Tiger TE/Tiger III? Consider Odd-Eye. There is version 1, 2 and 3. If version 2 had been labelled Neo Odd-Eye then by the time we have 3 versions of Odd-Eye it has become confusing because there is no Odd-Eye 2, only Neo Odd-Eye. Maybe version 3 of Tiger would be Neo Tiger SE. Then a 4th version of Tiger is released and its called Neo Tiger SE II. Obviously Im being silly but an option would be to call them: Tiger 1.0 Tiger 2.0 Tiger 3.0 Tiger 4.0 Its not a bad way of doing things. Do you agree? If all the Neo/New maps in iccup map pack actually had the prefix, there would be 12. If this continues you could end up with, er, more. I don’t necessarily mind but it’s a nice bonus if you are able to type the letter to jump to the map in the folder. I remember you were a very loud advocate of having ‘The’ dropped from The Latin Quarter. So I hope you atleast think this update has a minimum of 1 good thing rather than your blanket phrase ‘simply awful changes’. For players who return, its actually very simple. You go to iccup website, download the map pack, and play the maps. They are the latest version, they are the only version that works for ladder. If a returning player is there thinking I want to play Neo Medusa, he looks in the map pack and sees it is not there. He might be confused for a sec, but then he sees that Medusa 2.2 is in the map pack and hosts that. Problem solved? Im re-reading my earlier post, and this part is maybe not explained the best: Neo Jade is now Jade 2.1 Neo Medusa is now Medusa 2.2 Neo Overwatch is now Overwatch 2.1 I didn’t explain fully. It was actually previously Neo Jade 2.1, Neo Medusa 2.2, and Neo Overwatch 2.1. The 2.X in all of these maps already signifies it is the Neo version. Yet the titles still retained a Neo prefix. It doesn’t really make sense, and its different to the majority of neo maps in the iccup map pack. So you see that this update hasn’t actually invented new version numbers out of thin air for the most part. It is following the version number that you guys have been using for years. It’s a tidy up. Outscar, by the way, copyright is a topic I find absorbing. So that’s why your comment sparked my interest. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On March 08 2016 08:40 Shalashaska_123 wrote: Hello, iCCup.Face. I think it's a little naive to celebrate a 7% increase in games played from the previous two seasons. You'd have to compare it to data from many more seasons prior to determine whether this is significant or not. There might have been more games played in Season 38 because it was in session during the holidays and also because people were practicing for the TLS Championship tournament. I'm skeptical whether this recent spike in activity has anything to do with the new iCCup rating system due to how long ago it was implemented. With the return of FlaSh, I imagine interest in Brood War will soar for a while. what's your point? The OP states there are most likely multiple reasons and that they hope they did a good job supporting the players. Nowhere it is said it's ICCup's admins achievement alone. That you don't like to see more activity in Brood War is your deal (else why not celebrate it, even for reasons unknown?), but I imagine most people in the BW forums like the news, myself included. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
tl;dr: a lot of unnecessary work that can create more problems than benefits. | ||
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