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, I thought it would be normal but now it is hard. Sometimes people leave me because I am not good in matches, and some people are just plain rude.Brood War is hard :(
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Dogo God
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, I thought it would be normal but now it is hard. Sometimes people leave me because I am not good in matches, and some people are just plain rude. | ||
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pEcul!Ar
52 Posts
Work on the basics for zerg, that's all anyone can really tell you, work on the basics. There's a strategy section for brood war on here as well, you can look up any topic made for/about/from zerg players. | ||
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TwiggyWan
France336 Posts
1 - use liquipedia to find 1 simple build order per matchup : so 1 against Terran, 1 for Protoss and 1 for Zerg 2 - stick to those build orders for all your games so that your actions become automatic. When you can do your build in auto pilot without thinking you'll be free to think of tactics while playing. 3 - Learn the zerg keyboard shortcuts. Obvious but very important. 4 - Find a control group + camera set up that you're comfortable with. For example you could set your main troops to control group 1, your mutalisks to group 2, your main base to F2, your natural to F3, and so on. Play against a bot and fiddle around until you are comfortable and quick. 5 - Watch your replays. Don't watch your opponent, but focus on the first fuck up you saw yourself doing. Next game, try to avoid it. The more games you play and watch that way the more refined your play will become. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
That is you should really study what and more importantly when they build things, when they transfer workers, how they place buildings. True D level on iccup is like diamond in SC2. But many people are not true D level, but just climbing for which they have to through ladder. When people started out in 2002-2007, they spammed replays like no other to copy progamers build and most importantly their timings of everything. (you should match the replays patch with your patch otherwise the replay is broken). Nowadays, just watch vods and fpvods. Try nevake on youtube which has almost all the vods. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6830 Posts
On December 26 2015 08:27 Dogo God wrote: I just started to play starcraft a couple months ago, I really liked the game and I started to play Iccup. I lost 5 games and I started to get frustrated since I never do good. I really liked the Zerg and its playstyle but I never do well. I now I am asking this forum to help me with some tips. I never even won one time , I thought it would be normal but now it is hard. Sometimes people leave me because I am not good in matches, and some people are just plain rude.took a race,learn hotkeys,watch 9 vods ,3 of each matchup,read a bit liquipedia for build orders,if you can watch atleast 9 replays. 3 of each matchup,this is all u need to learn the basics,bw is a very old game,do u have plent of resources to learn about the game here in teamliquid,if you are lossing at your level,i guess d- d is cuz you are being lazy,BW is hard when u play vs progamers or semipros from D- to C+ bw shouldnt be hard for anyone in 2016 ^_^. and to be honest zvz i think gonna be a pain for you,if you can try to play terran vs zerg. | ||
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Highgamer
1451 Posts
Also: You probably have to change your mindset: The first ladder-win is not something that comes by just like that after playing 5-10 matches like in most other games with auto-matchmaking, teamplay etc. - unless you get lucky with your opponent or pick a very cheesy strategy. The first win is something that you earn by reading about and practising the basics for a while, by working on your skill. If this news discourages you and takes away the interest and excitement for the game, you're probably ill advised to continue laddering and have to settle down with low-rank BGH-games or "Melee D- 1v1". If it makes you want to work a little on yourself because you really want that win, you really should give it a try. Threads like yours are not that uncommon on this forum. How well you do initially on the ladder depends on how much you were warned and how much you prepared in advance. By now, BW is just really hard compared to most other games and people easily start laddering with the wrong expectations of what they can achieve in a short time, even if they're experienced gamers and very devoted (or think they are...). As for the rude people: They are either the anti-social scum that exists everywhere - or they're just the people that exist in every well-established (semi-)competitive environment: you're nothing to them unless you're as good or better than they are at the thing, they don't want to waste their time with newbies (it's not very nice, but understandable... maybe). + Show Spoiler + I played a bad game today, typed "gg" and expected the other player to return the gesture like most people do. It's what I consider good sportsmanship... He said noobs don't deserve a gg - and I made a big mistake trying to convince him that that's a bad opinion to have - and an even bigger mistake by letting his stubborn attitude pull me down and get kind of sore... [sorry]... (I still think you should answer gg to everyone, it's like a hand-shake, be a person for God's sake... But people have different opinions about it and that fruitless discussion almost ruined my today's share of BW...) Feel free to ask any questions about the stuff people wrote so far. Some things might seem completely self-explanatory to the advisor, but are not to someone who just started out. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6830 Posts
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Highgamer
1451 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
then others can see what you do exact wrong. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1203 Posts
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Artunit
Philippines400 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On December 26 2015 16:41 Artunit wrote: Join the dark side and learn the art of cheesing. If you want some reps pm me and I'll give you hundreds of NrT.Ultraling (Best foreign zerg cheeser) reps. hahaha that's probably not a bad way to start at all !!! | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
also if you're coming from sc2, D = high diamond low masters, c would be low GM, B high gm, then everything above that level just can't be compared to sc2 because the skill difference is too high | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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Highgamer
1451 Posts
That can be ok for you like it is for many And cheese in the hands of players with good basics is really scary. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
If you want to ladder, you really have to learn one strategy inside and out, and for a new player, it's probably a lot better to learn a strategy that puts you in control of the game rather than that makes you more reactionary, so aggressive, active strats are probably easier to learn. Something like a fast drop strat, or hidden expo, or contain at enemy natural. Basically something where you're putting the pieces into place really early and the payoff is within the first 10 minutes, so you know what to work toward and its not so elaborate something is always going to go wrong before it ever happens. Cheese is also an example of this, but can be a little more boring since it is the most straightforward and direct approach, with not that many learning opportunities as you're just depending on your opponent not scouting (and on ladder, players trend toward scouting because of a long standing fear of cheese from strangers). | ||
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
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Amazonic
Sweden239 Posts
On December 26 2015 23:23 Endymion wrote: i lost 100 games on iccup before i won in 2008 also if you're coming from sc2, D = high diamond low masters, c would be low GM, B high gm, then everything above that level just can't be compared to sc2 because the skill difference is too high I feel like you're being a bit hyperbolic with your comparison there, I'm somewhere around mid master and I've made C on iccup. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Dogo God
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Dogo God
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Dante08
Singapore4140 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On December 26 2015 23:23 Endymion wrote: i lost 100 games on iccup before i won in 2008 also if you're coming from sc2, D = high diamond low masters, c would be low GM, B high gm, then everything above that level just can't be compared to sc2 because the skill difference is too high that was true in 2010 2014 C pre-ladder change was more like just masters lotv | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On December 27 2015 08:11 duke91 wrote: yeah learn how to cheese. That may be the best way. Become the cheese. When I started, 1 hatch lurk link runby won me many games, but you will learn the limitations of this build and every aspect of it, so you will soon learn to go standard as soon as you meet better players. Cheesing usually gives you an idea what you can do and what you don't, and what the enemy can do so you can more easily fend of cheese. I wouldn't cheese, in fact I'd learn a few standard build order guides and go for them over and over again in the same matchup on the same map, look at replays after each game. Then download some pro player replays on the same map, watch them on slow speed and see how they do it, rinse and repeat. You will start winning and beating D- players eventually just by doing that, and you lay a foundation to get to D+ and higher as you improve | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On December 26 2015 09:23 TwiggyWan wrote: To expand on what was said above, the basics for zerg could be : 1 - use liquipedia to find 1 simple build order per matchup : so 1 against Terran, 1 for Protoss and 1 for Zerg 2 - stick to those build orders for all your games so that your actions become automatic. When you can do your build in auto pilot without thinking you'll be free to think of tactics while playing. 3 - Learn the zerg keyboard shortcuts. Obvious but very important. 4 - Find a control group + camera set up that you're comfortable with. For example you could set your main troops to control group 1, your mutalisks to group 2, your main base to F2, your natural to F3, and so on. Play against a bot and fiddle around until you are comfortable and quick. 5 - Watch your replays. Don't watch your opponent, but focus on the first fuck up you saw yourself doing. Next game, try to avoid it. The more games you play and watch that way the more refined your play will become. Yeah this QFT Think BW chart is really helpful to see what hotkeys progamers and your opponent use Also the guys assume you know already, but play on ICCUP http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/sc_start.html And once you lose a few games, only ask for games with other D- players, and when someone seems equally skilled to you, just ask for rematches Also Protoss is the easiest to learn because of the easy building creation and smaller amounts of expensive units (bud hard to master, PvX is very hard on a lot of maps) | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
Your "victories" should be, "Hey did I do better this game, or not? Have I corrected the mistakes I had been doing in the past few games? Have I learned something?". If your answers to those questions after your games are "yes", you are on the good path. This game is hard, but it's feasible if you keep learning from your games (each lost has something meaningful for you to learn!) Enjoy! | ||
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J-dawg
United States42 Posts
 Practice all the time play more never surrender! | ||
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iG.Arcneon
Finland333 Posts
We have players from beginner also to higher levels so you'll find games of all levels Our channel on iCCup is: Op n.stOp) See you around! | ||
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