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seedcapital
Profile Joined October 2006
United States72 Posts
January 15 2007 09:58 GMT
#1
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/15-01-2007-4502-1.html

Make of it what you will.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
January 15 2007 10:01 GMT
#2
rework ghost? If it is, I fucking hope it won't turn out like the warcraft 3 evolution. WC2 > Wc3 ez TT
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 15 2007 10:03 GMT
#3
ehhhh i'm afraid those comments dont really mean much
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11595 Posts
January 15 2007 10:04 GMT
#4
If it's SC2 then it better be open to beta testers and I better be able to grab a spot at beta testing... but I think they'll leave that to the top koreans because they know the most about the game. Way more than us foreigners...
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 15 2007 10:04 GMT
#5
If it's 3D screw it
beta testing? did they do that for the first sc?
2Shakur
Profile Joined January 2007
United States23 Posts
January 15 2007 10:05 GMT
#6
On January 15 2007 19:03 thedeadhaji wrote:
ehhhh i'm afraid those comments dont really mean much


It means starcraft will die sooner than expected?
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 15 2007 10:08 GMT
#7
So a blizzard rep slips up and says he's a fan himself and therefore hopes he can say its under development before its been a decade

explain where anything is confirmed or even hinted at
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
January 15 2007 10:08 GMT
#8
On January 15 2007 19:05 2Shakur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2007 19:03 thedeadhaji wrote:
ehhhh i'm afraid those comments dont really mean much


It means starcraft will die sooner than expected?


It means we have to game more now :D
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
January 15 2007 10:24 GMT
#9
There will be a StarCraft sequel: 10th anniversary will be the target date.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
January 15 2007 10:38 GMT
#10
On January 15 2007 19:04 CaucasianAsian wrote:
If it's SC2 then it better be open to beta testers and I better be able to grab a spot at beta testing... but I think they'll leave that to the top koreans because they know the most about the game. Way more than us foreigners...


Koreans know no more about SC2 than foreigners.

It'd be like saying a top warcraft2 player would know more about Warcraft3 than any other top RTS player. (not true).

If they were going to be selective (which i don't think they would) they would be grabbing the top players from multiple games from multiple countries. They would also probably like to get players who are successful at the early stages in mutliple strategy games (Pillars, Tillerman, Maynard)
Happiness only real when shared.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-15 10:45:21
January 15 2007 10:45 GMT
#11
hahah great. Say whatever you will of sc2 as a game, that there will be a new starcraft game will at least bring much attention to the scene.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-15 10:49:51
January 15 2007 10:49 GMT
#12
Well here's to 2008. Let's see what happens.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
January 15 2007 11:11 GMT
#13
On January 15 2007 19:04 Pressure wrote:
If it's 3D screw it
beta testing? did they do that for the first sc?


Yes there was a beta test for SC, and yes it's going to be 3D. Blizzard isn't going to do 2D games anymore.
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 15 2007 11:12 GMT
#14
--- Nuked ---
LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
January 15 2007 11:18 GMT
#15
So we expect SC2 gonna be on shopping shelf until 2010? :">
if it aint broke, dont fix it
j0ehoe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States2705 Posts
January 15 2007 11:19 GMT
#16
"Yup
Unregistered User

Yup!
I heard from a credibal source this is true.
16-01-2007, 02:57"

i dont know how much i trust information from this dude ><

i really fear seeing bw in 3d. its gonna be slow like wc3 =/
Only communists disconnect.
2Shakur
Profile Joined January 2007
United States23 Posts
January 15 2007 11:26 GMT
#17
you will never know until you actually play it.Hope for the best...
pr0n
Profile Joined September 2005
United States277 Posts
January 15 2007 11:27 GMT
#18
On January 15 2007 20:19 j0ehoe wrote:
"Yup
Unregistered User

Yup!
I heard from a credibal source this is true.
16-01-2007, 02:57"

i dont know how much i trust information from this dude ><


Maybe it's one of those weird British spellings...UK site...
pr0n
Profile Joined September 2005
United States277 Posts
January 15 2007 11:28 GMT
#19
On January 15 2007 20:26 2Shakur wrote:
you will never know until you actually play it.Hope for the best...


Ok that was a really stupid post for a third post. No; he can know from other people, he can watch videos of it being played, he could know based on the recommended system specs, etc.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
January 15 2007 12:29 GMT
#20
It better not be ghost, because then it'll be another decade before they make sc2
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
January 15 2007 12:32 GMT
#21
my life for aiu-- wait no SC2 beta
ModeratorBlame yourself or God
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
January 15 2007 13:28 GMT
#22
I have mixed feelings if the game is actually SC2... Not sure what it will do to the pro scene. I'd rather have another game that visits the universe, kind of like Ghost or something... Don't fix what's not broken, eh?
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
January 15 2007 13:33 GMT
#23
On January 15 2007 22:28 Gokey wrote:
I have mixed feelings if the game is actually SC2... Not sure what it will do to the pro scene. I'd rather have another game that visits the universe, kind of like Ghost or something... Don't fix what's not broken, eh?


My sentiments exactly! SCBW still has another 10 years!
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
January 15 2007 13:35 GMT
#24
Bunchahogwash
Was that a credibal source or a credible source? Artard. This means nothing, you stack of ninnies.

hahahaha gotta love the uk
GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
January 15 2007 14:28 GMT
#25
On January 15 2007 22:28 Gokey wrote:
I have mixed feelings if the game is actually SC2... Not sure what it will do to the pro scene. I'd rather have another game that visits the universe, kind of like Ghost or something... Don't fix what's not broken, eh?


yeah

btw any korean can tell me what about this?
http://www.norinuri.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=SCO&idx=199
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2007 Posts
January 15 2007 14:51 GMT
#26
In isolation this wouldn't mean much but enough evidence has piled up that I firmly believe that Blizzard is developing SC2 with an aim at a roughly 10th anniversary release.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-15 16:53:49
January 15 2007 16:52 GMT
#27
Yknow, I would just like them to say "Starcraft 2! Yes, its happening! We'll start on it on [this date!] Give us [x] years!" Just something that says theyre actually doing it, rather than having all this speculations and hopes running high.

edit: Also, Im not too worried about the pro-gaming scene. SC has been out for nearly a decade now; I want to get SC2 before I get too old to appreciate it.
Moonlight Shadow
Leon-bw
Profile Joined November 2006
France44 Posts
January 15 2007 17:54 GMT
#28
Successive rumors and recent Job requests from Blizzard (IT project manager with Korean language as a plus, French too though I don't get why, Gamer with a strong RTS background...) encourage me to think that an announcement is near and my hopes are very high for a Starcraft 2
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
January 15 2007 18:52 GMT
#29
another expansion pack maybe?
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Pretorian-[DMK]
Profile Joined October 2006
Netherlands49 Posts
January 15 2007 19:22 GMT
#30
Well if it is going to be starcraft project, it has to be a RTS, if not, I am going back to sleep under my rock....
1. NTT - Best Brood War player in the history of the game. Also totally awesome and super sweet. Some ego problems.
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
January 15 2007 19:27 GMT
#31
90% sure its ghost
Sun
Profile Joined March 2006
United States551 Posts
January 15 2007 19:45 GMT
#32
I demand someone change the title of this thread. You have no basis for spreading rumours.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43750 Posts
January 15 2007 19:51 GMT
#33
On January 15 2007 20:27 pr0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2007 20:19 j0ehoe wrote:
"Yup
Unregistered User

Yup!
I heard from a credibal source this is true.
16-01-2007, 02:57"

i dont know how much i trust information from this dude ><


Maybe it's one of those weird British spellings...UK site...


Nuhuh, He's just an asstard.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
January 15 2007 20:08 GMT
#34
IF it is coming out, i look forward to PWNING all those newbs who try it for their first time :D, let the bw community run supreme!
roses are red violets are blue, Im schitzophrenic and so am i
Cpt Obvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany3073 Posts
January 15 2007 20:17 GMT
#35
no way any game in 3D will ever reach even nearly the popularity that SC:BW did. period.

since there is probably no chance that they will do any 2D game anymore, this means that SC2 will die faster than a steak in a pool of hungry piranhas.
Nobody ever reads signatures of people like me, do they?
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
January 15 2007 20:36 GMT
#36
On January 16 2007 04:45 Sun wrote:
I demand someone change the title of this thread. You have no basis for spreading rumours.

I agree, the title is misleading.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
January 15 2007 20:39 GMT
#37
Cpt. Obvious, ever heard of Counterstrike? That's 3D and it's not doing bad at all. Stop stating your opinion as if it were fact. Or can you really predict the future and we're all idiots?
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-15 20:42:02
January 15 2007 20:39 GMT
#38
On January 15 2007 19:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
So a blizzard rep slips up and says he's a fan himself and therefore hopes he can say its under development before its been a decade

explain where anything is confirmed or even hinted at

oh comon~~

He says he hopes to be celebrating the next starcraft game in 2008, suggesting that they already started it. It's quite an obvious hint to me.

Of course; nothing is sure, but first that recent "leaked info" and now this...

so I'm starting to believe
Enter a Uh
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5766 Posts
January 15 2007 21:19 GMT
#39
As for me, let's make StarCraft chess of XXI century and let Blizzard do another RTS in different realm if they want to experiment some.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
January 15 2007 22:04 GMT
#40
if it IS sc2 and in 3d..it will suck just like how wc3 is...hopefully its just something that has to do w/ the starcraft universe o.O
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
January 15 2007 23:06 GMT
#41
On January 15 2007 19:24 Physician wrote:
There will be a StarCraft sequel: 10th anniversary will be the target date.


YEY 8D
^-^
j0ehoe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States2705 Posts
January 15 2007 23:15 GMT
#42
On January 16 2007 07:04 Metal[x] wrote:
if it IS sc2 and in 3d..it will suck just like how wc3 is...hopefully its just something that has to do w/ the starcraft universe o.O


god, there better not heros
Only communists disconnect.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 15 2007 23:22 GMT
#43
what he meant is that they're going to announce on 2008 that SC:Ghost will be postponed for another year
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psychosis
Profile Joined November 2006
Sweden107 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-15 23:24:06
January 15 2007 23:23 GMT
#44
If it is StarCraft 2 they are working on, I'll be happy.

If they introduce the WarCraft 3 hero system into StarCraft 2, Imma gonna go Jihad on Blizzard.
wXs.Havok
Profile Joined October 2006
Argentina529 Posts
January 15 2007 23:42 GMT
#45
neh, those comments dont say anything new
Read this and you`re gay
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
January 15 2007 23:53 GMT
#46
SC/BW >> ANY upcoming rts, because more than a million little things including communities and everything else imaginable came together. And thats ~> SC/BW

The only thing i would be really happy about would be another add on which adds up to 2 or 3 units per race. Because u could test it and everything and if its just worse you could basically come back to SC/BW again and u wouldnt even mind.. or think.. will i be lone now.. ? D:
hatred outlives the hateful
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
January 16 2007 00:21 GMT
#47
Wording to me suggests he hopes they'll make a SC game before 2018. Now that sounds realistic.
BatTheMan
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada759 Posts
January 16 2007 00:51 GMT
#48
I don't understand you purists, If you like SC: BW so much than why want SC2 to be exactly like SC:BW? I don't want 3D! I don't want HEROES! OMG It's not gonna BE AS Good, It's GOING TO ruin the Series boohoo! I foreone want some innovations I just don't want the same game. I freaking love SC: BW and I also enjoy War3 because it's different and all cool spells n shit which is pretty tight and almost balanced. War3 is a great game make no mistake. Blizzard knows how to make good PC games so let's not worry about it too much.

aka RichardNPL (RichardNamPhong@Azeroth)
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-16 01:08:49
January 16 2007 01:04 GMT
#49
Seriously, a 3-d game isn't that bad, just dont make the units huge and slow, and preserve the SC feel of the mechanics, and the playing experience will be like sc except with better graphics.

Introducing heroes as a critical part of teh game is going to seriously impact teh playing experience, so that's not good, but there is no harm in introducing a more complicated heroes system for UMS purposes, or even introducing a mild experience system to give micro and tactics more weight. With SC running for about 10 years now and the progamin scene for more than half a decade, there is a ton of valuable experience to be applied to the making of a new competitive RTS in the style of starcraft.

There are good aspects of various genres taht can be incorporated into RTS, granted the RPG element isn't the best idea for this, something like the tactical complexity of a FPS is more suitable to a game like starcraft. The introduction of more tactical possibilities always means more room for innovative play and more room for the most skilled to display their work, and this is a worthy idea to pursue.

And no, I don't think the comment itself is meaningless, unless it is somehow fake. It sounded like a pre-announcement announcement to me.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 16 2007 01:18 GMT
#50
SC2 is going to = shit
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 16 2007 03:34 GMT
#51
The reason why 3D sucks in war3 is because when the game was released it was still a fairly new technology. That is not many people could afford top of the line stuff to run the game so they sorta dumbed down the game engine so people would buy it. If they were to make another 3d RTS hopefully it would allow them more fluidity etc with their 3D game engine. Also they can learn from their mistakes in what worked and didn't work with Warcraft 3 and its expansion.

Personally I would just like to see a Remade Starcraft with everything the same, units, damage, costs , etc. With visual changes like new terrains new map editor and the overall general look of things. Basically just a new game engine all together. It wouldn't even have to be 3D just maybe 2D with the illusion of 3D. This way it would play exactly the same but just look a lot cooler graphics-wise with new unit animations, sound effects, and things like that.

This way I can still play an old game without my friends saying shit like "Stop living in the past". Also public gaming would be somewhat renewed which would bring in much more support to the community which seems to have leveled off or began on the downward incline.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Tiamat
Profile Joined February 2003
United States498 Posts
January 16 2007 05:40 GMT
#52
Just download and listen

http://zanno.oddwebsite.com/cevofull.mp3
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 16 2007 05:47 GMT
#53
going to be released this year. I know it.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-16 05:58:59
January 16 2007 05:52 GMT
#54
3d is good, wtf are some of you saying~~

I didn't really like the graphics in wc3, but that doesn't matter. Using 3d is simply better; it takes less memory and looks smoother (compared to in sc where groundunits can look and move in 8 directions only)
Enter a Uh
_PulSe_
Profile Joined August 2006
United States541 Posts
January 16 2007 06:10 GMT
#55
I think blizzard is the best at not accedently announcing games. They always only let go what they want to. It pisses me off. We would have to get spies in on the inside in order to learn something. Will someone step forward to accept this challenge and infiltrate the blizzard compound. AHHHHHH THE AGONY .... AHHHHHHH
Its not that Im lazy. Its that I just dont care.
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
January 16 2007 06:54 GMT
#56
world of starcraft lozl
ZaplinG
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3818 Posts
January 16 2007 07:12 GMT
#57
id play it
Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
January 16 2007 07:27 GMT
#58
just be happy they didn't outsource all their non-WoW assets to EA, now THAT would suck majorly
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 16 2007 07:35 GMT
#59
I would be down for good 3D, I don't mind.
There was that new UMS with 3D graphics... warhammer rts? It looks good, I think SC could use similar but more modern and better graphics.

I just hope there are no more unit AI glitches and the units aren't sluggish like WC3.
If the interface and control is nice and sharp, there's really no way SC2 can tank.. besides some really bad random element like Items and Creep and Heroes but that's a fairies pixies and dragons thing and not a guns aliens and tanks thing.
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zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
January 16 2007 07:38 GMT
#60
On January 16 2007 16:35 SuperJongMan wrote:
I would be down for good 3D, I don't mind.
There was that new UMS with 3D graphics... warhammer rts? It looks good, I think SC could use similar but more modern and better graphics.

I just hope there are no more unit AI glitches and the units aren't sluggish like WC3.
If the interface and control is nice and sharp, there's really no way SC2 can tank.. besides some really bad random element like Items and Creep and Heroes but that's a fairies pixies and dragons thing and not a guns aliens and tanks thing.

well all they'd really need to do is make two modes of play: classic (no heroes, creeps) and roleplaycraft (with heroes, experience, items, shops, creeps, and what have you)
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
January 16 2007 07:57 GMT
#61
time will tell whether or not we should take this seriously

if blizzard is purposely starting to hint at SC2, we'll all be the first to know...
mlaoxve
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden165 Posts
January 16 2007 08:08 GMT
#62
I cant imagine zerglings running around in 3D good enough

also, the brownish feeling of the original game and the other colours would have to stay, cause the feel of starcraft is cause of the amazing environments and the colours used
man i wish i was as cool as you
stuthedog
Profile Joined November 2006
Burundi262 Posts
January 16 2007 09:43 GMT
#63
they should just add three more races to starcraft through an expansion pack. any 3d or crap like that simply wont be starcraft.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 16 2007 09:52 GMT
#64
just gimme wgt

i'm fine with this game - maybe update the ai a little, and patch a few things - add a few units or two

i guess i just want another brood war

like more then one war of the broods
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
January 16 2007 09:54 GMT
#65
im looking forward to a new sc, and i wont mind 3d but i just dont want heros and creeps n shit. I doubt that they will make it like wc3 tho. I think most ppl are just paranoid
pr0n
Profile Joined September 2005
United States277 Posts
January 16 2007 11:42 GMT
#66
On January 16 2007 18:43 stuthedog wrote:
they should just add three more races to starcraft through an expansion pack. any 3d or crap like that simply wont be starcraft.


3 More races? I can tell why you only have 28 posts. Balancing 6 races (TWENTY ONE MATCH-UPS) would be utterly impossible (unless every race is a mirror of another one). Recently I've started wondering if 4 would even be a good idea. I think they should add max one race, or just add/change units/tech of the current 3.
SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
January 17 2007 08:49 GMT
#67
There are plenty of games that throw out large numbers of races, although usually with only minor variations (read: WH40K DOW, AOE series, Generals ZH). I think the only lofty goal left in RTS, and the only company who would have the time to work for balance of that many races would be Blizz. Therefore, I think a new graphics engine (an excellent 3-D or an _ASTOUNDING_ 2D) would be a nice target to shoot, but the key to the game will be the balance. Starcraft may have been an accident, but it definitely took Blizzard a good deal of time to sort out the proper values, matchups, counters, etc. I'd imagine, with a larger team, a larger budget, and the goals of creating a game of such obscene strategic flexability and scope and a perfectly balanced, competitive environment, Blizzard could once again corner the market on RTS against EA/Westwood, Chris Taylor, Sierra (lol publisher in-fighting, die vivendi!) and more.
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
January 17 2007 09:27 GMT
#68
Beta spots to bgh/fastest players, not us low money NOOBIES obviously. I'm shooting for about 2k12 maybe 2010, BUT NOT 11!
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
j0ehoe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States2705 Posts
January 17 2007 09:29 GMT
#69
i usually think its gay, but cell shading would look real nice for sc2 i think =o
Only communists disconnect.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
January 17 2007 09:39 GMT
#70
As long as Uwe Bowl doesn't get the rights to a movie im happy with whatever Blizzard produces
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11595 Posts
January 17 2007 09:41 GMT
#71
On January 17 2007 18:27 Drowsy wrote:
Beta spots to bgh/fastest players, not us low money NOOBIES obviously. I'm shooting for about 2k12 maybe 2010, BUT NOT 11!


the world will end in 2012. I want to play it before i die!!!

(or so the aztecs believe...)
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pariah
Profile Joined April 2003
United States29 Posts
January 17 2007 09:43 GMT
#72
SC2, if it comes out, will make ridiculous amounts of money. Of course Blizzard knows this, and this reason alone should give you hope.

I worry about the design team though, as Blizzard has lost some employees throughout the years and gained some new ones. I haven't really kept track though - has anyone?
pr0n
Profile Joined September 2005
United States277 Posts
January 17 2007 12:23 GMT
#73
On January 17 2007 18:43 pariah wrote:
SC2, if it comes out, will make ridiculous amounts of money. Of course Blizzard knows this, and this reason alone should give you hope.

I worry about the design team though, as Blizzard has lost some employees throughout the years and gained some new ones. I haven't really kept track though - has anyone?


Yes, they'll make what they make in a couple months off WoW.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
January 17 2007 12:42 GMT
#74
Pr0n speaks the truth, fact is, WoW, and mmorpgs in general, are far more profitable than games of any other genre. It's not necessarily because of the monthly dues either, that covers the server hardware and some extra, but they aren't making a fortune on it alone as many would believe. I think that the main reason mmorpgs like wow are so successful is because they're so approachable. Any old 12 year old can pick it up and be competative, whereas rts/fps can be immensely complicated and multifaceted, they can take years of practice and learning and natural talent to be competetive at. Mmorpgs appeal to the people who are turned off by the dedication and patience needed to be competitive at a game like broodwar. Those 75 days /played you put into wow to get level 60 with your full tier 2 set isn't even comparable to the effort the A- pgt player had to put in, and he actually had to be analytical, you just had to do the same shit over and over again. Not to mention, the goal of most mmorpgs isn't simply to best your opponents, so if you're just not a competitive person by nature, you can still have some fun with an mmorpg. The purepwnage guy, Jeremy, articulated it really well. Mmorpgs aren't really competitive games, it's more like a hobby, it's like assembling a train set or a model airplane in your basement. It, the train or your mmorpg character gets better and grows as you put in more hours, but the actual skill involved is fairly minimal, and it mostly boils down to who can spend the most tedious hours.

So, to end the rant, I do believe that blizzard, now that they've put their foot in the waters of the mmorpg market, will doubtfully ever leave it. It's more profitable, and they're still a company who's goal has to be to earn profits. Yes, I know we all wish they were some eccentric charity obsessed with creating high quality competetive online games, but they've got bills to pay, and who's to blame them? Don't expect sc2 soon, don't even expect it ever, don't expect anything that isn't an mmorpg. If they do churn something out, be grateful, otherwise project revolution is pretty much the best you can hope for.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 17 2007 14:08 GMT
#75
Come on, just because WoW is making money doesn't mean blizzard isn't doing other projects. To totally shift gears into doing all morpg is a drastic decision that not only involves the question of "what makes more money" but also "what does blizzard stand for."
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
pariah
Profile Joined April 2003
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-17 14:39:31
January 17 2007 14:38 GMT
#76
I agree Blizzard will stick to their cash cow WoW and MMORPGs in general, but who says Blizzard can't have two teams? They have before, after all...

On January 17 2007 23:08 oneofthem wrote:
Come on, just because WoW is making money doesn't mean blizzard isn't doing other projects. To totally shift gears into doing all morpg is a drastic decision that not only involves the question of "what makes more money" but also "what does blizzard stand for."


They don't stand for anything. They exist for one reason: to make money.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
January 17 2007 14:50 GMT
#77
Games like WoW may bring in the cash, but its stuff like Starcraft that earn them good rep.
Moonlight Shadow
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 17 2007 15:17 GMT
#78


They don't stand for anything. They exist for one reason: to make money.
Brand recognition, plus, if there is money to be earned, why not go ahead and earn them? I dont think the microeconomics of the situation is all that damning.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-17 16:00:09
January 17 2007 15:59 GMT
#79
It won't be that hard to recreate BW as we know into 3D but with improvements like no scarab errors etc. A lot of you are just biased about WC3 which leads you to draw the conclusions about 3D engines.

They just need an extra race, a plausible storyline, and a better multiplayer system which will be easy.

Of course, there's the balancing issue but.. I have faith ~_~;

What I'm really thinking is.. this game has been out for too long and I've been in touch with this game from the very beginning but have wasted my time with a whole bunch other games. People have gotten too good! I want to kick some ass. I need a new game so we can all start from scratch
('''(G_G/'''')
The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
January 17 2007 16:24 GMT
#80
On January 18 2007 00:59 Heen wrote:
It won't be that hard to recreate BW as we know into 3D but with improvements like no scarab errors etc. A lot of you are just biased about WC3 which leads you to draw the conclusions about 3D engines.

They just need an extra race, a plausible storyline, and a better multiplayer system which will be easy.

Of course, there's the balancing issue but.. I have faith ~_~;

What I'm really thinking is.. this game has been out for too long and I've been in touch with this game from the very beginning but have wasted my time with a whole bunch other games. People have gotten too good! I want to kick some ass. I need a new game so we can all start from scratch


Actually, any change in the game engine would change the game fairly drastically. Things like muta stacking, micro timing, vulture sliding by laying mines and the other fancy tricks we've come to associate with Starcraft depend very much on its unique 2D engine.
HAZE.tQ
Profile Joined October 2006
United States251 Posts
January 17 2007 17:11 GMT
#81
I hope ghost comes out first.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
January 17 2007 19:02 GMT
#82
Just because the game carries the name Starcraft doesnt make it starcraft. It will be like any other new RTS released if it is released. Only differance is blizzard are the creators so maybe it will be better than average (propably). Thing is... if blizzard try to make a game that is supposed to take starcrafts place that will just fail misserably. That would be like a bunch of UEFA people sitting down trying to come up with a new ball sport to replace soccer. If Blizzard want starcraft 2 to sell they should make it unique in some way like they did with warcraft 3 not try to make a better copy of Starcraft. If they want to make a better starcraft then release a patch to starcraft with new graphics/ladder support or w/e dont make a new game.
pariah
Profile Joined April 2003
United States29 Posts
January 18 2007 04:26 GMT
#83
What do you guys think of this? I think it's probably bullshit, but I still have a bit of hope.

http://sc.gosugamers.net/news.php?id=5522

sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-18 10:39:46
January 18 2007 10:37 GMT
#84
If War3 was first generation 3D RTS graphics, then I want Starcraft II to be made in fifth generation 3D graphics. Fluid movements, smooth surfaces (non-boxy! I hate that shit War3)on characters, faces, landscape, terrain. If this means waiting another five years for systems to generally be good enough to handle them, so be it. In fact, I would prefer no mention of a Starcraft II for another five years because I want to procrastinate on having to worry about it/ having anxiety over it.

And it better not be SLOW PACED AS ALL HELL like War3 is where every unit has 1000 health and deals 50 damage per hit, and they hit like once a second.

I really don't know how they can implement a hero carries an item that gives bonuses thing with Starcraft without being hokey. The whole heroes, experience and inventory thing is too Tolkien-esque fantasy to be taken seriously in a game that's supposed to be modern or post-modern.

In fact, to the poster who mentioned something like "you all want SC2 to be exactly like SCBW!", I would like LITTLE better than SCBW in beautiful graphics. Maybe a couple of new units for each race. That's it though. Then all they need to do is weave a great storyline around it (and I don't question their ability for a second) and voila, the next Starcraft.

Oh and they definitely, for the first few years, need to be VERY receptive to balance criticisms, especially from the pro-gaming community.

Blizzard needs to think of StarCraft like a huge Jenga tower.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
January 18 2007 10:48 GMT
#85
I just had a thought, what if this mp3 clip is actually a piece of viral marketing by Blizzard. I would absolutely fall in love with them if it is.
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
zdd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1463 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-18 10:52:50
January 18 2007 10:52 GMT
#86
On January 18 2007 13:26 pariah wrote:
What do you guys think of this? I think it's probably bullshit, but I still have a bit of hope.

http://sc.gosugamers.net/news.php?id=5522


If blizzard likes to do one thing ahead of schedule, it's announce their games. If the game was about to be released, you would have heard about it from blizzard years ago. Unless of course, they're talking about feb/march of 2011.
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.
WastedYouth
Profile Joined March 2006
United States563 Posts
January 18 2007 10:59 GMT
#87
jeez. These blizzard fatcats are bigger teases than the girl in my political science class
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Skill is what happens when luck becomes habit
sweatpants
Profile Joined April 2006
United States940 Posts
January 18 2007 11:02 GMT
#88
On January 18 2007 19:59 WastedYouth wrote:
jeez. These blizzard fatcats are bigger teases than the girl in my political science class

Yea-hah, bro! *motions high five*
Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. -HonestTea
ocoini
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
648 Posts
January 18 2007 11:14 GMT
#89
Well I think the starcraft graphics are perfect as is...how anyone can have any gripes with it i dont understand - there is nothing to improve. its an rts not a sightseeing tour.. 3d is just in the way.. how anyone can see what the hell is going on in wc3 i will never understand, bucket-o-glowpaint gone mad..

and it's SC's many "flaws" that has been a major part of makeing it great, all the little things that probably werent planned. Like.. how you can block some units from passeing between them if you build in a certain way.. or the scarab that doesnt allways kill stuff.. observer not getting killed if you place it over the turret while its being built, even the flying drones... drama- and fun!!!

Thoose are all good things in my book..


*votes for another expansion..
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
January 18 2007 12:03 GMT
#90
Well, I dont mind them releasing a new SC even if it does suck.
Cause then Id still have SC and thats fine by me.
An expansion with new units is like the best thing I can imagine of right now.

Or make SC play like Allegiance if anyone ever played that. Its like RTS mode but other people can go into FPS mode and control a single spaceship and stuff.
RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
January 20 2007 17:51 GMT
#91
Red Alert used to be my favourite strategy game, but when Red Alert 2 came out it was just absolute shit. it would be so much cooler if they did something like Red Alert: Aftermath with a whole bunch of new units that screwed around all the "in development" technologies
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PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
January 20 2007 17:54 GMT
#92
On January 18 2007 19:37 sweatpants wrote:
If War3 was first generation 3D RTS graphics, then I want Starcraft II to be made in fifth generation 3D graphics. Fluid movements, smooth surfaces (non-boxy! I hate that shit War3)on characters, faces, landscape, terrain. If this means waiting another five years for systems to generally be good enough to handle them, so be it. In fact, I would prefer no mention of a Starcraft II for another five years because I want to procrastinate on having to worry about it/ having anxiety over it.

And it better not be SLOW PACED AS ALL HELL like War3 is where every unit has 1000 health and deals 50 damage per hit, and they hit like once a second.

I really don't know how they can implement a hero carries an item that gives bonuses thing with Starcraft without being hokey. The whole heroes, experience and inventory thing is too Tolkien-esque fantasy to be taken seriously in a game that's supposed to be modern or post-modern.

In fact, to the poster who mentioned something like "you all want SC2 to be exactly like SCBW!", I would like LITTLE better than SCBW in beautiful graphics. Maybe a couple of new units for each race. That's it though. Then all they need to do is weave a great storyline around it (and I don't question their ability for a second) and voila, the next Starcraft.

Oh and they definitely, for the first few years, need to be VERY receptive to balance criticisms, especially from the pro-gaming community.

Blizzard needs to think of StarCraft like a huge Jenga tower.


Too tired to read your whole post, but I read the first 2 lines.

A lot of people seem to forget this, because it was only mentioned when WC3 first came out:
WC3 is a mix of rts and rpg.

For those who remember when wc3 first came out, they were soo excited about making a game that was something never before seen on the market, it was a mix of 2 genres.

You can google it somewhere.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
January 20 2007 18:06 GMT
#93
are u people really that paranoid? Warcraft evolved from a starcraft mass micro like game to a more mico focused game. Blizzard will obviously not be stupid enough to just release sc in 3D but with teh same aspects. It ofc around the same food limit concentrating on positioning macro, unit choice etc.
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