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Physician
United States4146 Posts
click me baby, you know you want to..
http://ugtour.servegame.com/
This is a small news post in their site:
"UGT will be launching from two different gateways, generally Ladder Challenges @ U.S East with head admin, S.pG)Nico and op ClanQi with head admins poGDi and SeCo. Nico has been UGT's past administrator with iRk-Agge (Swe B) leader and without doubt has excellent organizational skills. PoGdi, SeCo are respected crew members for GosuGamers.net. There has been much rumor of Ashur helping/advising UGT develop its launcher, the development process has temporarily been halted for enhanced rating systems (including clan rating), UGT admins wishes to work side by side with WSCL to generate clan league."
Anyway, here goes my feedback on this project. UGT is not new, it is an old vanilla ladder. UGT runs on two motors, one is a devout, actually very devout, following of around 300 vanilla players and two, its creator, one of the most interesting (and crazy) characters I have met in the StarCraft world: his name is Qj.Tiger, or darktiger. He has closed and opened UGT more times than any ladder should survive but every time he brings it back up, it is a little stronger, a little better and little bigger.
He has the know-how himself to actually run a decent Battle.net-based ladder and has done so, pretty much single handed for the vanilla community on multiple occasions. He now wants to open the doors for the Brood War community and is allowing both Brood W ar & vanilla games on the ladder (players chose by mutual accord.) They will call this Qi-Tour Ladder League.
the active channels are Ladder Challenges @ East (Vanilla) and op soulClan @ West (BW)
They are in talks with WSCL for a proposed community merger, WSCL gaining a ladder, and UGT expanding by adding a whole community of Brood War players. Both UGT and WSCL are seeking help & staff. If you want to help, go volunteer! (ex-PGTour staff welcome).
I am sure you will find some good games at UGT and, since their rather secret opening, they have been very active (maybe too active for their small operation, their channel is already maxed).
Explore, Enjoy ~
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Grow little UGT, grow into a new PGT so I can practice 1:1
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
#DarK]N[exuS
I think you can practice 1:1 sooner than you think.. they had 300 games in 5 hours.. not bad going.
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wow awesome, thanks for the news and the hype, physician.  the more we hype the faster it can become a well-populated foreign ladder!
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Let's check it out. 
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i hate the fact that you have to report wins or losses, so i think i'll pass 
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wow the revival of a ladder :OO
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It's kinda a lack of originality on the name, and logo ;p
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sensei says, one by one we will pick them and gather them to heaven - what do i know ? I am just a student.
Channel is Ladder Challenges @ U.S East
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On January 13 2007 07:16 KrAzYfoOL wrote:i hate the fact that you have to report wins or losses, so i think i'll pass
same for me
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On January 13 2007 17:25 Vin[MBL] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 07:16 KrAzYfoOL wrote:i hate the fact that you have to report wins or losses, so i think i'll pass same for me
you just have to write something like
-reportwin funkie
-reportloss funkie
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Osaka27152 Posts
On January 13 2007 07:16 KrAzYfoOL wrote:i hate the fact that you have to report wins or losses, so i think i'll pass
fucking lazy. before pgt you ALWAYS had to do this. Just because this isnt pgt doesnt make it worse. it takes literally 5 seconds to report a match.
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ugt ladder is in op soulclan @ west now
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Edit: Okay I'll change this, now that I understand what happened. UGT please don't advertise in our channel unless you have permission to do so.
+ Show Spoiler +
Edit2: Crap Mani saved my anti-spambot rage T_T.
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Osaka27152 Posts
On January 13 2007 19:30 Bill307 wrote:
UGT get your piece of shit spam bot out of op tl-west and stop messaging our members.
I am never even visiting your website from now on because of your fagsex way of advertising in our channel and annoying everyone.
(for those who are unaware, I am periodically being whispered by UGTBot about their ladder, and apparently it was telling everyone who entered op tl-west about the ladder until finally insane banned it, but I guess it still remembers my name -_-;; )
I talked to tiger, and he will fix the problem.
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On January 13 2007 18:16 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2007 07:16 KrAzYfoOL wrote:i hate the fact that you have to report wins or losses, so i think i'll pass fucking lazy. before pgt you ALWAYS had to do this. Just because this isnt pgt doesnt make it worse. it takes literally 5 seconds to report a match.
yeah but sometimes i might forget to report my results.
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nice! hopefully a new ladder will draw many players and get the comunity a little more active than it already is
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I remember UGT from when I was in team SouL. The only real problem with it is the lack of players, but it seems that problem is disappearing. Other that that it is just annoying having to have winner report _THEN_ loser report or the bot will not work correctly.
Still, the competition was good and it was fun ^^;; I hope to see this season work out better than the last.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
small update, three channels now ~
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On January 13 2007 01:03 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Grow little UGT, grow into a new PGT so I can practice 1:1
my thoughts exactly
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Hey, I tried it out earlier today it seems like a really good server quick and easy overall. And for your lazy bums not wanting to -reportwin [opponent] give your chubby fingers some damn exercise!! :p
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I wasn't aware there was a bot there. I was really mad as well. None of the head admins were aware and took some time to find out who it was.
I am going to have a word or two with them. Apologies for the inconvenience.
The only place we will be putting a light spam bot is probably europe having taken permission from mondi at op tot).
West channel has moved to op soulclan. Seco executed this decision.
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lol i played 2 nights ago at op clanqi
my first UGT game vs crayon and got raped T_T;;
i was so depressed i quit SC foreva.
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this is probably a really stupid question but...
Why don't they use a private server?
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what in the world is vanilla i use east but i dont know what this vanilla thing is 
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Korea (South)11583 Posts
On January 14 2007 05:17 Vin[MBL] wrote:
this is probably a really stupid question but...
Why don't they use a private server?
too expensive?
PGT started out as a private ladder on East, and back then, a private foriegn server was unheard of. In a few months if things start going, and people start donating their time and money, we can start seeing another PGT. Just give it time guys...
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it should be easier to sign up t.t
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On January 14 2007 05:52 Loveletter wrote:what in the world is vanilla i use east but i dont know what this vanilla thing is
normal starcraft
as in
starcraft not starcraft : brood war
kk?
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it seems nice i'll try it
btw
"If you have lower score and you disconnect you will have a loss.
If you have higher score and disconnect game will be cancelled. "
wtf???
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can you falsey report a win, and if so does it give you a win?
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On January 14 2007 06:45 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
it seems nice i'll try it
btw
"If you have lower score and you disconnect you will have a loss.
If you have higher score and disconnect game will be cancelled. "
wtf???
yes that seems pretty stupid
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On January 13 2007 22:06 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Hey, I tried it out earlier today it seems like a really good server quick and easy overall. And for your lazy bums not wanting to -reportwin [opponent] give your chubby fingers some damn exercise!! :p
you can add this to the "list of ladders"
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I'll check this out. I've taken so much time off lately, I've been hoping to get back into it. Hopefully this will be the push I need, so unless I'm busy I'll check it out tonight.
Thanks again!~
(p.s. if I remember I'll try to write something quick about it here so that people can get an idea of what it's like without having to try it themselves)
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the active channels are Ladder Challenges @ East (Vanilla) and op soulClan @ West (BW)
We are planning a launch on europe op ugtour-1 , and need to set up administration and structure before launching there. But we intend to do so over time.
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it looks pretty sweet so far i logged on to soul clan today and an admin signed me up just lost my first game ^^
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TheAbyss imo has more potential of being the next "PGT". Its already hecka similar to PGT, just need more people to play it!!!
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On January 14 2007 15:26 skyglow1 wrote:
TheAbyss imo has more potential of being the next "PGT". Its already hecka similar to PGT, just need more people to play it!!!
True!
There are too much noobs on Abyss;
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The significant difference between this and the abyss is this has anti-hack support
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On January 14 2007 15:52 BestZergOnEast wrote:
The significant difference between this and the abyss is this has anti-hack support
O_O Sorry for my retardation, I didn't know it had anti-hack. Well then this is alot better XD
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how does this have anti hack? :S
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On January 14 2007 16:06 BestZergOnEast wrote:
PP use is required
oooooooooooooo
kk
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we have excellent reputation of banning members aggressively for not using pp. infact its a given instruction if your opponent cannot show pp in game, refuse to report loss.
if however the winner can prove in his rep file that there was rwt, he is given the win and the loser is penalized. other than this we try to filter smurf to a ressonable extent , that is bad in the sense that many people want to practice heavily hiding their true id, good in the sense that there are not too many inactive users once the season is running and natuarally when they use their id they stop creating trouble for reporting. another thing, abyss is easy to disconnect and mis abuse. the disconnect rule is there for ugt, but if u can prove a 100% gaurantee win regardless of score for your disc you are awarded. the entire ugt crew has 2 wscl admins, 2 gosugamers.net crew, myself included was gg.net crew for a short time and 1 member of the stealthbot team.
this is the basics for a quality administation structure, each are undoubtedly skilled and has experience to know how to run a quality system, any system.
tl-west is there, and doing us a huge favor by providing practice ground for 1:1 gamers
however our traffic is higher or about same in op soulclan in west, i do not think we need to spread the word around to invite gamers. infact we are looking for limited number of quality gamers, which is why we dont advertise so much. In addition ladder challenges in u.s east is even higher number of traffic. 2 active channels, but really if u think about LC it's almost equal to having 3 active wgt channel - this is how strong we are. if you doubt my words go to our site, keep track of archives for 24 hrs and see for yourself.
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I still prefer Abyss. .
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On January 14 2007 06:45 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
it seems nice i'll try it
btw
"If you have lower score and you disconnect you will have a loss.
If you have higher score and disconnect game will be cancelled. "
wtf???
That's not a very good rule. It's not uncommon for a player to be losing in a game yet be ahead in score.
Not only does score fail to account for positional and long-term advantages (e.g. new expos), but some units are worth a disproportionately high number of points relative to their cost. (e.g. a zealot costs 100 mins and gives 200 points, but a hydralisk costs 75/25 and gives 350 points) Also, whenever you kill your own units, no one gets any points for it. (e.g. spider mines or sieged tanks)
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ok, then what would you suggest ? i am very open minded to ensure enhancing quality.
1. disc = loss ?
(when probability is higher pts is probably winning)
2. disc = game cancels
(which means someoen can just unplug the cable and u get disc in middle of a ladder game)
the policy has worked out well so far. but lets hear your suggestion.
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Too many discs per x amount of time and you are banned?
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hmm. not a bad idea. funny i never thought of it. so how many do discs do u suggest is good for ban ? I am thinking ...
5 discs -50 pts
+5 discs -150 pts
+5 discs = banned for season (?)
give me some feedback.
i banned two gamers one from clan By. and another from neo) myself today. they were not following rules, regardless of how reputed they are - they are not above the law. either turn on ur pp, follow the rules or get lost !
5 mins later the neo) guy turned his pp was turned on. he also tried smurfing in but that doesn't work - legit aka is required.
i let him back in and keeping a monitor on him.
another gamer did not turn his pp on , immediately after the game his opponent reported he wasn't using pp. rep file requires rwt and naturally he did not have it. (we ask for rep file when opponents refuse to report games by themselves via bot) - my orders were specific no pp , refuse to report your game. and he didn't have to report his loss
(just two different types of example from above)
last time wgt left us in vanilla despite agge's many appeal they turned their back. so u know what we did ? WE TURNED OUR BACK ON THEM ! WE REFUSED TO GO TO BW ! AND WE MADE OUR OWN LADDER SYSTEM !
and did the vanilla community survive ? YES ! go to LC at east urself and see - it will put op tot) op 3.33- (or even the past, now dead op hyo-) or any other bw community in shame of how actively they are having a quality time.
Guys at BW are x 100 times bigger. And what are we doing ? sucking thumb.
about abysss ...
i generally dont like to criticize other systems, see every system (any system) requires a certain work. in general any technology , coders / programmers / software engineers are artists - one art work is better than the other ... but regardless abyss is a competition.
the best way to know your competitions is to investigate it yourself. we get higher traffic, have more quality gamers and undoubtedly better reputation, a strong anti hack policy - but one thing is never to underestimate even the lowest ... so I went there myself.
1. i noticed they dont use anti hacks
there are two categories of people who prefer this
a) people who like to download inhale
b) mac users who cannot install pp / bwl
2. "people say" their gamers lack quality
i checked their top orders , they barely move - and have been inactive
3. traffic
if we can out do a system's traffic in 2 days of launch what they had been running for over 6 months now then i think they should revise their policy
4. future development
they opened a quake section. what are they thinking ?
even after having run successful activity we are still upgrading our system everyday to make it easier on our gamers. technology wise
we released two enhancer in past week alone (it was not mandatory)
alter system for the first shooter game, quake. (do they even care about bw ?) - i can see the big sign on their front page for top 200 bw sites. i am a passionate gamer, i have a job now for writing medical softwares - this is my passion - and unless they treat it the same way they wont understand it. and how will they ? they ripped off a part of pvpgn and call it their system. what about the poeople who wrote it ? if they dont understand the value of writing raw source code from scratch will they know its real worth ? abyss / fish w/e u call them - don't it hurt their ethics to steal someone else's code (pvpgn) and call it their own ?
check my posts on gg.net ... other websites - if there was any technology out there that would benefit bw gamers other than ugt i would jump for it. so would my admins remember they are all well known for contribution for the bw world - not for ugt but for some other work. i dont see any of their admins talking about anything other than abyss.
by the way we have requests from korean gamers - we are also making korean versions of ugt launching it in korean channels. west as u know has a strong base for koreans and in the history of bw this is the first time bw west had a successful ladder and also vanilla had a succesful ladder - that's two barriers already broken.
and lastly when is the last time a lead programmer from an established ladder system come forward to talk like this publicly ? pat ? no illi ? no ... who gets all the recognition for their work ? illi / pat - who knows me ? NO ONE ! u know i dont care (actually i do) but i still do what i do ... regardless. I think I confused myself a little bit with what i said in my last sentence !! but anyway !! U get the point !
I m getting 0 bucks for doing this. frankly i love my kids ! if u r not passionate about your players the players wont give a damn.
i am one of you.
I accept the criticism - it makes me think. we hunt it down ! poGDI at one point heavily criticized ugt, on my msn - u know what ? we accepted him as a head admin for his criticism and corrected ourselves.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ! WHAT DO U WANT TO SEE IN THE SYSTEM ? HOW DO YOU THINK WE CAN IMPROVE THE SYSTEM ?
some say 2:2 system priority
some say auto launcher auto report priority
some say clan league system.
I dont want you to be nice people. I want you guys to throw it in our face so we can change the system around.
yes i am a software engineer but yes ! I AM ALSO one of you and i am here to listen.
make a wish list 3 wish list, what do u want to see ? number 1 will have top priority then 2 then 3 ... what do u wish to see ?
If Blizzard gave us permission we would have an auto reporting launcher right now operating within the BLIZZArD gateways. Do they care ? We personally requested warden for permission. he just shut us off. I wish I could tell him, "you know, I write servers for medical companies x 100 times secured SERVER than your server system - not even one data can escape because medical history is a very private matter and we can get into BIG trouble if even one person's medical record slip. I wantd to tell him, Sir, DONT TRY TO TEACH ME about network security ! I am not from your mba school of business - unlike YOU I actually know what I am talking about !"
I actually also sent my resume to blizzard three times. I even mentioned in it "ability to make a solid ladder system - critical", no response. :: sigh :: such ignorants.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO BLIZZARD. HOW ABOUT U ?
STICK AS A COMMUNITY ! SHOW THEM our strength.
They made profit out of sc than any other game , made WoW out of it and now we are nothing but trash ? hey ! we are smarter and a better quality community than any of those clowns clicking with mouse on a screen ... LOOK AT ME I AM SO COOL ! I CAN CLICK ON THE MOUSE SCREEN AND I DO SO WELL !! I HAVE SKILLS ! (plzz gimemeee a BREAK !)
They should listen to US ! We should not listen to them !
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What about those who just have really really bad internet lol. Would be kinda crap for them if they keep discing always and can't help it, but really want to play.
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Qi.tiger maybe you could make a new thread for people to post their wishlists, I think if you really want to improve this ladder then its worthy of a new thread.
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it was like an Alexander the great speach prior to a major battle ;haha , loved it
gl on the future
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I want to post some thoughts on UGT after having tried it out...
Let's begin with... well, the beginning ^^
How do I get started?
It's actually very easy! Visit http://ugtour.servegame.com/UGTBWSeason2.zip and download their mappack. You're also going to need pplug (http://www.bwprogrammers.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=14), but you should be using that already. They also even offer an "enhancer", which I will explain later, but from my experience seems safe, healthy and efficient.
I've downloaded the maps, now what?
Get on Us.West (or one of their other supported servers) and login using a battle.net account with which you wish to participate in UGTour. Go to channel op soulclan, and open up the profile the bot "UGTOUR-1". Here you'll find a list of admins who can add you to the ladder's list of registered members. This list can also be found on the main page of their website as "UGT Organizers".
Once you're added, you can start gaming immediately! Find an opponent playing UGT, host a game using one of their official maps, and get started. After your game, all you need to do is report using a really easy system.
But how do I report?
After your game, simply return to the channel (op soulclan) and type either:
-reportwin [joeuser]
OR
-reportloss [joeuser]
The most difficult part of this step is to make sure the winner reports his victory before you confirm your loss. If you don't respect that rule, you'll both have to report again. That's right, you don't need to whisper a bot, upload any replays through a complicated filter, just type one line into the channel chat and you're ready for your next game.
But neSix, typing that one line is too much fucking work!
Well, personally I say fuck you because you're lazy, and you don't deserve a ladder.
But UGT doesn't agree. They made it even easier for you to report your already disturbingly-easy games! The UGT Enhancer found at http://ugtour.servegame.com/Enhancer/UGT Enhancer.exe will allow you to simply press:
F1 = -reportwin
F2 = -reportloss
F3 = -stats
F4 = Alt+n , may be used to point at a player in channel so their name comes out.
That's right, it TYPES FOR YOU! Now if only they'd just host an enhancer that played the games for you... shucks.
Summary:
- Their official maps and the pplug launcher are the only requirements to play this ladder.
- It takes virtually no time at all to get setup. The hardest part is finding an admin who's not AFK in the channel to add you to the list. This doesn't take more than a few minutes, and if you're too lazy to wait that long, then again, I say you don't deserve a ladder.
- You don't need to report matches before you play them, and you can game with other UGT members without playing official matches.
- Reporting a win or loss is tremendously easy, and they make it even easier with their UGT Enhancer.
- Pplug helps to keep the ladder hack-free, and they have stats automatically updated on their website. http://ugtour.servegame.com/ugtour.php
- Their channel is always full of players, some known, some not-so-known, who are willing to play. Whether for UGT points or not, this is a great place to come and practice.
Download Links (again):
Penguin Plug - http://www.bwprogrammers.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=14
Map Pack - http://ugtour.servegame.com/UGTBWSeason2.zip
UGT Enhancer - http://ugtour.servegame.com/Enhancer/UGT Enhancer.exe
Help us bring back a competitive foreign ladder!
+ Show Spoiler +
Maps found in mappack:
-815
-Azalea
-Aztec
-Bifrost III
-Gaia 1.0
-Namja Iyagi
-Neo Forte 2.1
-Paranoid Androide 2.1
-Ride Of Valkyries
-Rush Hour 2
-Luna The Final
-Arena
-Astral Eclipse
-Bladestorm
-Dahlia of Jungle
-Enter the Dragon
-Korhal of Ceres
-Legacy of Lee
-Lost Temple
-Neo Hall of Valhalla
-Plains to Hill 2.1
Tell your friends!
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