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(vs toss)
I'm bored with the standard builds, but going ling/muta (or muta/heavy sunks) is giving me some trouble in the mid game...hoping I can see some things I'm doing wrong in some reps.
A friend recommended playing more defensive in the mid game, teching quickly to Ultras...I can't try it out atm though, my ISP is being gay
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[blaze]eugene also known as 2l-eugene used to play some 2hatch muta build vs toss. but actually i think the problem is that you still build mutas in midgame. sooner or later a p will adjust to that by going either upgraded sairs or archons/temps. The only thing you might do is heavily upgrading and only attack with combined mutas and lings from all sides an losing no mutas when you harass him early game
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Only muta/ling takes an amazing amount of skill. I have tried it and failed many times.
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Norway28272 Posts
if the toss gets like 3 archons and ~12 zealots you will need to change into something else, or else you'll be stuck with main natural and possibly two isles.
going fast exp into mutaling into taking both isles and then changing into mass ultra ling (with guardian) is a really really strong strat though.
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I'll try that when BNet lets me connect Drone...when would you suggest taking the islands? Also, wouldn't the gas be better spent on more Ultras than Guardians? Seems like by that time, he would have plenty of psi storm to deal with them with little trouble (unless you're suggesting only a few, to cliff his expo or just mix things up).
Infinity, I'll also try switching to lurker midgame (or whatever I see his tech is lacking)...but the standard lurker/hydra/ling to ultra/crack is what I'm trying to avoid
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On May 30 2003 03:58 rK wrote: I'll try that when BNet lets me connect Drone...when would you suggest taking the islands? Also, wouldn't the gas be better spent on more Ultras than Guardians? Seems like by that time, he would have plenty of psi storm to deal with them with little trouble (unless you're suggesting only a few, to cliff his expo or just mix things up). Infinity, I'll also try switching to lurker midgame (or whatever I see his tech is lacking)...but the standard lurker/hydra/ling to ultra/crack is what I'm trying to avoid
it's a bit hard to attack people when you got 12 ultras
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OgOgo[InCa] is known for his muta heroics, as well as KimDonGWoo and H.O.T-Forever on occasion. Then again, ChoJJa is a pimp with mutas, as well as yellow and pretty much any other professional zerg.
but OgOgo and KimDonGWoo are the 2 most mutalisk persistant players i've ever seen, thats for _damn_ sure.
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ChoJJa and Yellow are pimps at everything
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what about [Kor]Red-Rock, in the games i remember him playin he always muta ling, and he was damn good at it too
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Norway28272 Posts
ya ogogo has fucking good muta micro.
and rk basically what I do whenever I do that is first fast exp, secure (with sunkens), then just do a standard fast muta from main+exp, while not making lings, only sunkens and drones. when lair finishes get spire and overlord speed when you can afford to, then ventral sacs when speed finishes, then make mutas for a while but after you get like 10-12 get dual evo chamber and get melee+attack. when ventral sacs is complete expand to both isles. harass if possible but its not really important that you succeed, try to keep him from expanding anywhere but his natural though. then get hive (also pretty fast) and after you get hive you should have 4 gas mining and 1/1, so you can get large amounts of 4/2 ultras at pretty early point of the game. (before the toss has gotten huge amounts of archons/dts/whatever)
after you get those ultras get ground control and expand more while going ultra/crack, add guardian on cliff when you want to and try zergling dropping if you feel like it.
its pretty sweet!
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i remember [z-zone]byun in a few reps doing this...woudln't say he's "known" for it though as he does ling/lurker just as often...
-angel
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btw i remember a replay of corbalt losing to a mass muta player on game-i around rank 1900-2000...fairly sure it was posted at battlereports.com a long while ago...i'll do a quick look for it...
-angel
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ya i love this replay
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=660
dunno if it's completely appropriate to your specific question tho, gna have to watch it again
here's eriador's comments on it!
"#21 Eriador[1209] hume.ti.telenor.net hohoho? :{
his muta micro was awesome. :/ I mean like, REALLY awesome. first person EVER who made me think "wow his mutamicro owns mine" (and mutamicro is something you get rather good at after playing more than 700 games on dire straits mutarushing in 99% of them :{ ) "
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On May 30 2003 05:30 halpmeh wrote: ya i love this replay http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=660dunno if it's completely appropriate to your specific question tho, gna have to watch it again here's eriador's comments on it! "#21 Eriador[1209] hume.ti.telenor.net hohoho? :{ his muta micro was awesome. :/ I mean like, REALLY awesome. first person EVER who made me think "wow his mutamicro owns mine" (and mutamicro is something you get rather good at after playing more than 700 games on dire straits mutarushing in 99% of them :{ ) "
Means hes only one better at Muta/Ling than you?
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er it means the guy was significantly better to the point of wowing someone with very good muta micro
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Muta/LIng is not solid enough to build your entire strategy around. It's good a lot of the time, but if you do it 100% of the time you will a) Have lots of trouble vs players who expect it of you and b) Have lots of trouble vs. players who luck into proper counters.
Mutalisks have their place in ZvP games, and if you like using them you can probably work them into the game at least 80% of the time and be more than correct in doing so... but Archons and Corsairs are so wicked strong it's just not the right play sometimes =].
I love Mutas too. But I love winning more =]
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Umm...try quick exp, sunk down with a few lings, quick spire, get like 8 mutas or so and harass like crazy...while doing so exp to another main, then lay down den and get lurks, set up lurk/lord/scourge contain and take another gas exp, then go ultras.
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you know my friend he opens with like 3 reavers if he sees ground and gets many canons when i go air zvp im starting to get pissed off (zvp) because the reavers fucking rape my attacks and he can somehow magically dodge all my scourge and if i contain his reavers are deadly because there range and he damn =\i think you protoss players should start using them more
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