On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
Um... Bisu has probably the highest peak APM as far as I know... oh wait maybe Hyuk where he stayed >450 the whole game but he's Hyuk~ But what sets Bisu apart is his high EAPM. His FPVODs are extremely clean as many casters have mentioned~ Here's Bisu's B.Net attack we can watch in hopes to seeing his stream up soon~
I totally agree that his play is very clean, there is also a reason why the commentators called it clean rather than just fast. While he has an incredibly high EAPM/APM ratio his EAPM is not itself extraordinarily high (mainly because his raw apm is not exceptional).
I encourage you to do a search on bisu in the replay database, he is between 300-350 apm(raw) in every single game, but one where he was sub300 apm. I'm not saying his play isn't clean, or even that he isn't fast, merely that his speed doesn't actually show up in raw apm stats. Eg he is fast, in that he has incredibly multitasking, doing lots of things at once, but his handspeed isn't exceptional.
You can see in his FPViews, both on the vid you linked, as well as the ones from actual competitive games, what sets him apart in his play is how frequent he switches to different parts of the maps. It's only a couple of clicks, before he moves onto something else, it's actually really surprising how little time he spends on 1 screen, even in intense micro situations.
But he definitely does not have either the highest peak apm, or an exceptionally high average apm. He is on the quick end for a protoss, and his EAPM is quite high, disproportionately compared to his raw apm compared to other top protosses near the end of bw. But these are not exceptional numbers for top protosses as BW neared it's end.
He was exceptionally fast for a protoss when he first burst onto the scene, but that level of hand speed eventually became the norm among top protosses, even stork was only about 20-30 apm slower than him by the end of their respective BW careers. Some P's like Jangbi and Rain were actually faster on just raw numbers. What he had over other protosses was not something reflected in APM.
What really sets him apart is, as we all agree, how clean his play is, it just so happens that this is something that can't be seen from APM/EAPM stats, just from how dizzying his fpview is.
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
On September 09 2013 13:32 trifecta wrote: liquid should sponsor sospa players. Liquid`Jangbi, Liquid`Sea, Liquid`Bisu, Liquid`Jaehoon, Liquid`Killer. It'd be like having the team of bw dreams.
On September 09 2013 17:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 17:27 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
OGN/MBC probably show peaks, or some weird aggregate. There is theoretically only 1 way to calculate raw apm. LOTS of ways to calculate EAPM unfortunately, though it will never be higher than the raw apm.
Edit: from memory I think those apms were either his peak average, or average peak.
On September 09 2013 13:32 trifecta wrote: liquid should sponsor sospa players. Liquid`Jangbi, Liquid`Sea, Liquid`Bisu, Liquid`Jaehoon, Liquid`Killer. It'd be like having the team of bw dreams.
On September 09 2013 17:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 17:27 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
Bisu did not have 450 sustained APM in any matchup. He has a pretty stable ~330 APM in televised games, respectably fast for a Protoss progamer, but mostly notable for how clean and effective his actions were. Bisu's speed wasn't reflected in numbers so much, you just had to see it -- Stork is noted* for thinking the speed at which Bisu played is unbelievable and that he wished he could play so fast, despite being a ~300 APM player himself. Stork's reaction to seeing Bisu play isn't the reaction of just seeing 10% more actions.
*The thought of trying to source this quote is extremely daunting and not something that is going to happen, sorry. ;_;
On September 09 2013 17:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 17:27 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
*The thought of trying to source this quote is extremely daunting and not something that is going to happen, sorry. ;_;
On September 09 2013 17:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 17:27 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
Bisu did not have 450 sustained APM in any matchup. He has a pretty stable ~330 APM in televised games, respectably fast for a Protoss progamer, but mostly notable for how clean and effective his actions were. Bisu's speed wasn't reflected in numbers so much, you just had to see it -- Stork is noted* for thinking the speed at which Bisu played is unbelievable and that he wished he could play so fast, despite being a ~300 APM player himself. Stork's reaction to seeing Bisu play isn't the reaction of just seeing 10% more actions.
*The thought of trying to source this quote is extremely daunting and not something that is going to happen, sorry. ;_;
stork is not 300 apm player .. 260-280 apm..and bisu speed its about how many camera actions can he do in the same time.for example bisu vs flash ace match proleague finals >.>
No. My Protoss hopes are with Bisu and Fall!Anytime. Instead of Yellow, Savior. Instead of Boxer, Sea.
Once upon a time, it wasn't like that. I used to believe in Yellow and Reach, just like I used to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. I used to believe, no, I knew that Yellow, Reach and Boxer were the Justice League, and whoever they were playing that week were evil enslaving zombies from outer space. When Boxer showed me quantum physics, when Yellow went for the neck and didn't let go, when Reach ran straight into a containment and warriored his way through, I would feel blessed: my faith justified, my fandom re-affirmed. But as I watched more games, I learned to see in terms of strategies and angles, to watch each match as a fine-tuned exercise of unit supply and APM. I began to see the flow of the game in terms of management and threat.
I'm glad that I know the game better now. I'm a better fan now that I can objectively judge each players' strengths and weaknesses.
And it saves me a lot of grief. Why? Because those motherfuckers broke my heart. Not in the way that Yukie Chang broke my heart in 10th grade, but more like the way my mom broke my heart when she told me, "No HonestTea, you can't walk through that wardrobe because there is no Narnia." (YOU MAY HAVE GAVE BIRTH TO ME BUT I KNOW YOU ARE LYING! LYING!) When I saw Boxer screw up that bunker rush, I had to stand up, leave my desk, and go outside to look up at the sky. That was just because the general principle of it was so damn sad. Imagine how broken I would have been if I actually was rooting for Boxer.
Because when I see Yellow it reminds me that July might never win that Golden Mouse, that I may never see IntoTheRainbow again. It reminds me that someday, even Savior and Bisu will stop being bulletproof. Yellow's dumb presence at the KTF bench every game only serves to haunt me, an all-too-obvious example of mortality. He is a breathing, walking, memento mori.
On September 09 2013 17:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 17:27 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:46 Caladbolg wrote:
On September 09 2013 14:21 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I just hope that short break isn't like just a few months. It'll be great to see Bisu playing BW again, and from FPVIEW! OMG!
He seems to be in better form than Jangbi atm, judging solely from the game where Bisu pretty much humiliated Larva in that one game on Larva's stream.
I mean it's just 1 game in 1 matchup, but it's kinda important to be good at PvZ atm. Jangbi has been kinda out of form in that department.
If anyone remembers those times that they have flashed up Bisu's FPView briefly in official games, and marvelled at how good his multi-task is, imagine that hours on end. We are going to get migraines from watching his stream :D
So hyped for this, migraine toss gogo! :D
My experience in watching Bisu's FPVODs is similar to my experience when I played Quake 3. At first, I couldn't stand more than 3 minutes of it. I had no idea what the fuck was going on, it was headache-inducing, and it seemed almost inhuman to play at a decent level, let alone a professional level. Afterwards, I got used to the game and then enjoyed it. Later on, when I got better, I realized just how amazing the little things are: from memorizing the ramp/portal positions (similar to rally points for probes and units) so you can jump into them without looking at them, to the small strafe moves that can make or break your game (probably like Bisu's small unit micro with goons and lots), to the absolutely flashy plays with rails and rockets (like Bisu's harass with reavers/HTs).
Bisu's FPVOD is the cleanest of all the "inhuman mechanics" monsters I've seen (i.e. Jaedong, Baby, Jangbi, Kal, Effort, Hydra, Leta) and is probably the second most impressive to watch behind Flash's FPVOD (the kid is just so efficient at playing it's mind boggling - I think his EAPM from the replays of his prime is just as high as Bisu's, around 250, even if Bisu's APM is 100 higher at 350 vs 450).
Bisu's apm is on average low 300's most games, I think he only gets to 400 average on really really intense games, in his early/mid career, by his late career he and Flash are pretty much the same speed APMwise (Flash is actually faster when playing bio). He gets a reputation for being really really fast, but he's actually not. I mean his APM is up there, but it's actually lower than some other protosses (eg Jangbi, who's between 350-400). It's really the rate that he switches from 1 place on the map to another that sets him apart. He only does like 1 or 2 things in 1 place before switching again, so it's really hard to keep up with what his doing, but his handspeed is not superdooper fast like people seem to think it is.
If I were to take a guess, Flash and Bisu actually have similar EAPMs as well, which I guess is impressive in itself, as P's generally have lower EAPMs since there are few things to do that require pure handspeed, whereas T has stuff to do en mass that requires mechanical 'unthinking' clicking, eg placing a large minefield or keeping a large number of raxes running.
I don't even know where you got that low 300s number. In PvZ he goes up to 450. In PvT 400. In PvP 380+.
TL has a nifty database of replays, since progamers didn't leak replays much these are pretty much all you have to work with.
Watch out though, a couple of the replays in that are not actually of him (i guess the uploaders were pulling a jumperer on us). But most of them are him, any of the ones with the alias ssregi are Bisu.
Ah yeah those replays. Hm well do they use the same formula as the ones OGN/MBC posted? Because as far as I recall, every Bisu game had very high APM numbers when they flashed it on-screen.
Bisu did not have 450 sustained APM in any matchup. He has a pretty stable ~330 APM in televised games, respectably fast for a Protoss progamer, but mostly notable for how clean and effective his actions were. Bisu's speed wasn't reflected in numbers so much, you just had to see it -- Stork is noted* for thinking the speed at which Bisu played is unbelievable and that he wished he could play so fast, despite being a ~300 APM player himself. Stork's reaction to seeing Bisu play isn't the reaction of just seeing 10% more actions.
*The thought of trying to source this quote is extremely daunting and not something that is going to happen, sorry. ;_;
and bisu speed its about how many camera actions can he do in the same time.for example bisu vs flash ace match proleague finals >.>
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