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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 30 2014 06:58 GMT
#1181
When Snipe had his streams set up in Korea, the stream quality was a lot higher, and there were many Chinese viewers tuning in nightly, especially when popular BJs were playing.

Since Snipe moved away, s_k_911 (I think) set up his own re-streams with Chinese streaming services targeting only the Chinese viewers, which I can only imagine works better than Twitch. There is also a relatively new Chinese commentator living in Korea, and he's streaming most of the major events with live commentary, and he's gaining a lot of grounds very quickly.

I would say BW's popularity has probably gone up slightly in China even in the last year, it's just that the foreign community here at TL is not cognizant of such changes.

Because of lag issues (streams and VODs), it's difficult to provide Chinese BW coverage here on TL in any meaningful way.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
June 30 2014 07:09 GMT
#1182
Stable streams and regular tournaments/coverage is the biggest issue for foreign bw/viewers
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
June 30 2014 07:26 GMT
#1183
On June 30 2014 10:13 EndingLife wrote:
It's also sad when 100 people tune in to watch sea[sr] vs some random zerg player, and only 50 are watching Bisu.


Why?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19339 Posts
June 30 2014 14:10 GMT
#1184
Poll: Most influential Terran vs P?

iloveoov (15)
 
54%

flash (7)
 
25%

Nada (4)
 
14%

fantasy (1)
 
4%

other/answer in comments (1)
 
4%

boxer (0)
 
0%

midas (0)
 
0%

sea (0)
 
0%

28 total votes

Your vote: Most influential Terran vs P?

(Vote): Nada
(Vote): iloveoov
(Vote): fantasy
(Vote): flash
(Vote): boxer
(Vote): midas
(Vote): sea
(Vote): other/answer in comments

ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
June 30 2014 14:39 GMT
#1185
Sea


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
June 30 2014 14:40 GMT
#1186
On June 30 2014 23:39 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sea


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Yeah I was scratching my head at that one.
"Reddit on the other hand has always just been a box full of retarded blind puppies licking and sniffing everything they come in contact with and leaving it moist and oily" - Gamegene
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19339 Posts
June 30 2014 15:49 GMT
#1187
On June 30 2014 23:40 Forcewater wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2014 23:39 Epoxide wrote:
Sea


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Yeah I was scratching my head at that one.

5th highest elo peak vs Protoss. That was the only reason why.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
June 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#1188
oovs the man.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
June 30 2014 18:19 GMT
#1189
Firebathero obviously!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-30 18:42:31
June 30 2014 18:28 GMT
#1190
I only really got into the proscene in late 2004 during the Ever osl so I may be wrong with this but from the beginning of bw it always seemed that the top terrans had problems with the top protosses. Nada and Oov were the first terrans who seemed to be able to take series off the top protosses consistently. Of the two though I always felt like Nada especially his tvp was like July in the sense while he had the best tvp in his time, he wasn't really a player that other terrans could watch and learn how to play against protoss. He would play safe and take games just off sheer mechanics alone. Oov was different in that he showed terrans how to play against protoss and laid the foundations that all top tvpers after worked from. Some examples are fast thirds and upgrades. I would say that Boxer not Nada is a close second. Though he did struggle against protoss, he influenced a lot on how the matchup was and is still played now. One example was his usage of 2 base timing pushes. Of course if I had to say present influence its definitely Flash with his fast 2-1 upgrade build.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
July 01 2014 04:38 GMT
#1191
On July 01 2014 03:28 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I only really got into the proscene in late 2004 during the Ever osl so I may be wrong with this but from the beginning of bw it always seemed that the top terrans had problems with the top protosses. Nada and Oov were the first terrans who seemed to be able to take series off the top protosses consistently. Of the two though I always felt like Nada especially his tvp was like July in the sense while he had the best tvp in his time, he wasn't really a player that other terrans could watch and learn how to play against protoss. He would play safe and take games just off sheer mechanics alone. Oov was different in that he showed terrans how to play against protoss and laid the foundations that all top tvpers after worked from. Some examples are fast thirds and upgrades. I would say that Boxer not Nada is a close second. Though he did struggle against protoss, he influenced a lot on how the matchup was and is still played now. One example was his usage of 2 base timing pushes. Of course if I had to say present influence its definitely Flash with his fast 2-1 upgrade build.

I'm a sucker for FD so Midas is second behind oov for me
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 01 2014 04:55 GMT
#1192
st.eagle
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
July 01 2014 05:43 GMT
#1193
midas + gundam for their rushes should be there!
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
July 01 2014 07:02 GMT
#1194
yB.Space
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
July 01 2014 11:14 GMT
#1195
lol you guys voting
for anyone but flash
so crazy people
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12032 Posts
July 01 2014 14:36 GMT
#1196
On July 01 2014 20:14 Boonbag wrote:
lol you guys voting
for anyone but flash
so crazy people


It's about influence. Flash wouldn't have ever done what he did had Oov not influenced the matchup beforehand.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19339 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 15:27:34
July 01 2014 15:21 GMT
#1197
Fantasy turns 23 today. Happy birthday!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
July 01 2014 15:24 GMT
#1198
On July 02 2014 00:21 BisuDagger wrote:
Fantasy turns we today. Happy birthday!


Huh?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19339 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 15:27:17
July 01 2014 15:26 GMT
#1199
Phones! -_-
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
July 01 2014 15:28 GMT
#1200
On July 02 2014 00:26 BisuDagger wrote:
Phones! -_-


Happy birthday pantajiiiiiiiii!
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