On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
instead of trying to prove that im changing what im saying, why dont you just consider the updated version of what im saying and confirm in an unbiased way if its good or not
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
instead of trying to prove that im changing what im saying, why dont you just consider the updated version of what im saying and check in an unbiased way if its good or not
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
instead of trying to prove that im changing what im saying, why dont you just consider the updated version of what im saying and check in an unbiased way if its good or not
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: Stop moving the goal posts. Your claim of equal amounts of minerals units was disproven. You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
instead of trying to prove that im changing what im saying, why dont you just consider the updated version of what im saying and check in an unbiased way if its good or not
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
that information was in the original post, they just didn't consider it when they tested it
"Also, it takes 252 seconds to make 3 BC and 200 seconds to make 8 Corsairs, which give more advantage to Corsairs"
252 - 200 = 52
52/25 = 2.08
thats 2 more corsairs
Who goes 1 Starport BCs?
Stargate is also more expensive than Starport, why leave this information out?
If 10 Corsairs really do barely beat 3 BCs, does that really make them a "counter"? Doesn't a counter, like, have to do really well against something to be considered a counter?
Also, why are you telling people to run tests for you? Haven't you already run these tests, and that's how you know all this information? Or are you just making stuff up based on what you think might be true based on your limited experience? Surely you have some data to back up your claims?
they defended the BC, they would have at least 1 or 2 spare if the opponent went BC again
fine, link me mod/map or whatever it is that they used to test it and ill make some vids
On April 21 2020 04:58 WaterSerpentM wrote: Hi all
Here is a combat counter diagram showing what type of units beat what.
thats the picture, it was the post after that where we had the discussion
I highlighted the fact that you said these were counters. A counter implies that it beats the other army handily.
Also, please note that I said IF 10 Corsairs beat 3 BCs. So far, the only evidence we have is that before moving the goalposts, 8 Corsairs straight up lost to 3 BCs, which was YOUR suggested encounter.
instead of trying to prove that im changing what im saying, why dont you just consider the updated version of what im saying and check in an unbiased way if its good or not
On May 05 2020 01:50 tofucake wrote: You cannot prove your point by saying "yeah but in that time the Protoss could have spent even more money and won" because that's 1) a different point and 2) incredibly stupid.
Unless they are completely bunched up, then 3 bcs will beat 10 corsairs, too. Again, assuming no upgrades - and with upgrades, bcs perform better.
Sairs are not at all a counter to bcs. They just aren't. There might be some 36 sairs against 12 bcs equation where the bcs go into the battle completely bunched up and the bcs all target different sairs where the corsairs win, but assuming any reasonable micro from terran, bcs counter sairs.
But if you're gonna use this type of very specific scenario to back up the point you are making, you could also argue something to the effect of 'dragoons counter zerglings'.
On May 05 2020 02:38 Liquid`Drone wrote: Unless they are completely bunched up, then 3 bcs will beat 10 corsairs, too. Again, assuming no upgrades - and with upgrades, bcs perform better.
Sairs are not at all a counter to bcs. They just aren't. There might be some 36 sairs against 12 bcs equation where the bcs go into the battle completely bunched up and the bcs all target different sairs where the corsairs win, but assuming any reasonable micro from terran, bcs counter sairs.
But if you're gonna use this type of very specific scenario to back up the point you are making, you could also argue something to the effect of 'dragoons counter zerglings'.
is there a replay/map where you can spawn units(1 player) and make them against each other?
On May 05 2020 02:32 Cryoc wrote: Jealous, didn't you know that hard counter units have to cost more than the units they are countering? That's 101 in Korea.
I guess I learn something new every day. Maybe one day I will be good enough to start making Corsairs at the same exact time that my Terran opponent starts producing Battlecruisers, as they so frequently do on ladder.
jealous vs waterserpentm is the batman vs joker of our community. "I think you and I are destined to do this forever". I'll let you guys decide who is who.
iirc at some point fefil? or someone similar was temped for retarded advice and information in the starcraft threads. he was explicitly told not to give advice because he was always wrong. id say history is about to repeat itself
On May 05 2020 09:42 evilfatsh1t wrote: iirc at some point fefil? or someone similar was temped for retarded advice and information in the starcraft threads. he was explicitly told not to give advice because he was always wrong. id say history is about to repeat itself
On May 05 2020 02:38 Liquid`Drone wrote: Unless they are completely bunched up, then 3 bcs will beat 10 corsairs, too. Again, assuming no upgrades - and with upgrades, bcs perform better.
Sairs are not at all a counter to bcs. They just aren't. There might be some 36 sairs against 12 bcs equation where the bcs go into the battle completely bunched up and the bcs all target different sairs where the corsairs win, but assuming any reasonable micro from terran, bcs counter sairs.
But if you're gonna use this type of very specific scenario to back up the point you are making, you could also argue something to the effect of 'dragoons counter zerglings'.
I am quite certain that even unmicroed clumped up 12 BCs win against Mass Sairs. BCs even win against Valkyries altough Valkyries are even more potent anti-air units. The base armor of BCs is just too much for the low damage output of Sairs and Valks.
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