According to this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=428231 Kespa has announced a new sc2 Proleague season but also a Kespa Cup that will be Brood War. As there is no 100% confirmation yet (I can't read Korean either) I've posted this as a rumour.
Many questions remain however. Who will play in a BW Team League? What teams? What infrastructure? Will it be somehow merged with the Sospa structures?
Anyway, it is certainly great news if this is true.
EDIT: RUMOUR UNFOUNDED. Translation by Frost of the post in Korean:
"To celebrate the upcoming 10-year anniversary of Proleague, KeSPA will release all Proleague statistics and records starting from "KTF EVER 2003 Season" to "SK Planet 12-13 Season"
The decision to release the <Starcraft> Proleague records was reached as part of the recently announced "Next e-Sports Action Plan #1" for the fans who were curious about <Starcraft> Proleague statistics and records.
The release which has 10 years and 4 months worth of Proleague statistics will include records from "KTF EVER Proleague 2003 Season" started in March 1st, 2003 all the way up to the recent "SK Planet Starcraft2 Proleague 12-13 Season".
Total of 13 teams and 368 players have participated in Proleague until now. Lee "Flash" Young-Ho (KT) holds the record for most wins in regular season with 266 wins while Lee "Jaedong" Jae-Dong (EG) holds the record for most played games with 388 games. Also, Hong "Yellow" Jin-Ho (ex-KT) and Park "Reach" Jung-Suk (ex-KT) holds the record for longest participation in Proleague with 8 years, 3 months, and 29 days.
The released statistics can be viewed on KeSPA's website (http://www.e-sports.or.kr) and can be downloaded as an Excel file by anyone and can be shared, but cannot be used for monetary benefits. From now on, KeSPA is planning on releasing future Proleague records and statistics. KeSPA's President Jun Byung-Hun stated, "Proleague is like a ship that has pulled Korean e-sports throughout the years. As we remember the past 10 years with our fans, we will also prepare for the next season to meet the expectations of our fans. By using the experience gained over the last 10 years, <Starcraft 2> Proleague will return in November with a reformed management of the league. We are also planning on reviving the short-term team tournaments that have disappeared since the 2007 KeSPA Cup. We will become an organization that will put in a lot of effort to meet the expectations of our fans".
On September 06 2013 18:30 Mewka wrote: if it's gonna happen, it have to be merged with SOSPA
I don't get this. SOSPA is a series of individual tournaments right? And Kespa cup was (and according to their intentions, will be) a short team league. How could they be merged? :/
On September 06 2013 18:30 Mewka wrote: if it's gonna happen, it have to be merged with SOSPA
I don't get this. SOSPA is a series of individual tournaments right? And Kespa cup was (and according to their intentions, will be) a short team league. How could they be merged? :/
On September 06 2013 18:30 Mewka wrote: if it's gonna happen, it have to be merged with SOSPA
I don't get this. SOSPA is a series of individual tournaments right? And Kespa cup was (and according to their intentions, will be) a short team league. How could they be merged? :/
isnt SOSPA an organization like Kespa ?
Ahh I thought you were referring to the ranking tournaments my bad >_<
Still, I don't see why they would have to do that. We don't even know if it's Kespa teams only, or any team can join (in which case the SOSPA guys could make their own teams) or anything at all about the format.
On September 06 2013 18:30 Mewka wrote: if it's gonna happen, it have to be merged with SOSPA
I don't get this. SOSPA is a series of individual tournaments right? And Kespa cup was (and according to their intentions, will be) a short team league. How could they be merged? :/
isnt SOSPA an organization like Kespa ?
not really its just what sonic calls his tournaments...
also relevant
On September 06 2013 17:16 larse wrote: The KeSPA Cup is said to be Brood War.
The reason for this speculation is that it's a "reunion tournament" of the teams disbanded since 2007, so it's probably Broodwar.
Crossing fingers. If this cup ends up actually being a BW cup, even if a random one, and it turns out to be highly popular, what would be the chances of KeSPA actively trying to rebuild a BW scene after that?
Dunno what to think about this. Any exposure is good, of course, but this shouldn't at all detract from what Sonic has done. Kespa should partner with Sonic. If it tries to apply any of its previous shenanigans (like banning/discouraging players from playing in SOSPA), then I don't like this.
My theory is that the current Kespa teams will all field a BW team. Since the SC2-side of many teams are downsizing (the rumored 5-6 man lineup for proleague), the rest of the players will have a choice if they want to play BW, which I feel most of them will.
The downside to this is that Flash and Jaedong might not choose BW. They've been constantly improving at SC2 and look to be on the cusp of breaking out in terms of championships and dominance. I couldn't care less if Bogus/Innovation decides to stick to SC2, or even if the other SC2 aces like CJ.herO, SKT.Rain (too bad though) prefer SC2. So long as the ones who were good in BW return to BW, I'm fine (yeah I know Bogus was decent).
On September 06 2013 18:56 Caladbolg wrote: Dunno what to think about this. Any exposure is good, of course, but this shouldn't at all detract from what Sonic has done. Kespa should partner with Sonic. If it tries to apply any of its previous shenanigans (like banning/discouraging players from playing in SOSPA), then I don't like this.
My theory is that the current Kespa teams will all field a BW team. Since the SC2-side of many teams are downsizing (the rumored 5-6 man lineup for proleague), the rest of the players will have a choice if they want to play BW, which I feel most of them will.
The downside to this is that Flash and Jaedong might not choose BW. They've been constantly improving at SC2 and look to be on the cusp of breaking out in terms of championships and dominance. I couldn't care less if Bogus/Innovation decides to stick to SC2, or even if the other SC2 aces like CJ.herO, SKT.Rain (too bad though) prefer SC2. So long as the ones who were good in BW return to BW, I'm fine (yeah I know Bogus was decent).
Please keep in mind this will not be a ProLeague-style tournament, but supposedly multiple iterations in the vein of the Kespa Cup. We still don't know whether it will be at all connected to the amateur scene we have right now, and if so in what way.
Also Jaedong will almost certainly not come back considering he's pretty damn successful in SC2 and Kespa has had absolutely no control over him since he joined EG.
oh shit.. if this is real then.. holy fuck how awesome is that !?
but im really sceptical about it.. I dont want to get super pumped and hyped and then get a reality slap in the face if it turns out to be just a rumor..
On September 06 2013 18:39 BisuDagger wrote: Happy about anothe league but loyalty is towards SOSPA. Ill choose to be happy now and deal with controversy later.
On September 06 2013 18:27 BLinD-RawR wrote: my passion is reborn, I call eternal dibs on all LR threads.
No way dude. I got one at least.
I doubt this'll happen. I don't even know if I want it to happen by now, considering Sonic has his SOSPA set up and growing as much as it is. I'll wait for any more information before making a decision whether this is a YAY or a NAY
That is correct, but the games will be played on Starcraft 2. The article is saying KESPA will hold more short-term tournaments as they did back in Brood War days.
On September 06 2013 17:16 larse wrote: The KeSPA Cup is said to be Brood War.
The reason for this speculation is that it's a "reunion tournament" of the teams disbanded since 2007, so it's probably Broodwar.
I'm confused now.
Could we get an actual translation?
I read the article in Korean as I speak extremely fluent Korean and it says nothing about reunion tournament and does not mention playing on BW anywhere in the article. It specifically says KESPA will have more short-term team tournaments that disappeared since the end of KESPA cup back in 2007.
That is correct, but the games will be played on Starcraft 2. The article is saying KESPA will hold more short-term tournaments as they did back in Brood War days.
On September 06 2013 17:16 larse wrote: The KeSPA Cup is said to be Brood War.
The reason for this speculation is that it's a "reunion tournament" of the teams disbanded since 2007, so it's probably Broodwar.
I'm confused now.
Could we get an actual translation?
I read the article in Korean as I speak extremely fluent Korean and it says nothing about reunion tournament and does not mention playing on BW anywhere in the article. It specifically says KESPA will have more short-term team tournaments that disappeared since the end of KESPA cup back in 2007.
We just need more official info and to stop relying on any of these translations..
That is correct, but the games will be played on Starcraft 2. The article is saying KESPA will hold more short-term tournaments as they did back in Brood War days.
On September 06 2013 17:16 larse wrote: The KeSPA Cup is said to be Brood War.
The reason for this speculation is that it's a "reunion tournament" of the teams disbanded since 2007, so it's probably Broodwar.
I'm confused now.
Could we get an actual translation?
I read the article in Korean as I speak extremely fluent Korean and it says nothing about reunion tournament and does not mention playing on BW anywhere in the article. It specifically says KESPA will have more short-term team tournaments that disappeared since the end of KESPA cup back in 2007.
On September 06 2013 19:35 Heartland wrote: I will edit the OP once we get a full translation on here and we get some more clarity.
I gave you a translation as it is quoted above. I know you want to believe that KESPA will hold a BW tournament and I want to believe too. But the article simply does not say that. I can translate the entire thing if you want, but it's basically going to be a slightly longer, formatted form of what I typed earlier.
On September 06 2013 19:29 Sinedd wrote:
We just need more official info and to stop relying on any of these translations..
I work as translator on this very website for everything related to Korean League of Legends. How are you not going to rely on the translations if you cannot read Korean? The article has zero mention of anything related to Brood War being played again. I cross-checked Fomos article to make sure and there is only SC2 being played.
I gave you a translation as it is quoted above. I know you want to believe that KESPA will hold a BW tournament and I want to believe too. But the article simply does not say that. I can translate the entire thing if you want, but it's basically going to be a slightly longer, formatted form of what I typed earlier.
I believe you! I just typically think it's better for a little time to pass before updating OPs and all in case there are any new developments. There probably won't be, but it will save time and energy.
To celebrate the upcoming 10-year anniversary of Proleague, KeSPA will release all Proleague statistics and records starting from "KTF EVER 2003 Season" to "SK Planet 12-13 Season"
The decision to release the <Starcraft> Proleague records was reached as part of the recently announced "Next e-Sports Action Plan #1" for the fans who were curious about <Starcraft> Proleague statistics and records.
The release which has 10 years and 4 months worth of Proleague statistics will include records from "KTF EVER Proleague 2003 Season" started in March 1st, 2003 all the way up to the recent "SK Planet Starcraft2 Proleague 12-13 Season".
Total of 13 teams and 368 players have participated in Proleague until now. Lee "Flash" Young-Ho (KT) holds the record for most wins in regular season with 266 wins while Lee "Jaedong" Jae-Dong (EG) holds the record for most played games with 388 games. Also, Hong "Yellow" Jin-Ho (ex-KT) and Park "Reach" Jung-Suk (ex-KT) holds the record for longest participation in Proleague with 8 years, 3 months, and 29 days.
The released statistics can be viewed on KeSPA's website (http://www.e-sports.or.kr) and can be downloaded as an Excel file by anyone and can be shared, but cannot be used for monetary benefits. From now on, KeSPA is planning on releasing future Proleague records and statistics.
KeSPA's President Jun Byung-Hun stated, "Proleague is like a ship that has pulled Korean e-sports throughout the years. As we remember the past 10 years with our fans, we will also prepare for the next season to meet the expectations of our fans. By using the experience gained over the last 10 years, <Starcraft 2> Proleague will return in November with a reformed management of the league. We are also planning on reviving the short-term team tournaments that have disappeared since the 2007 KeSPA Cup. We will become an organization that will put in a lot of effort to meet the expectations of our fans".
On September 06 2013 20:22 Frost wrote: To celebrate the upcoming 10-year anniversary of Proleague, KeSPA will release all Proleague statistics and records starting from "KTF EVER 2003 Season" to "SK Planet 12-13 Season"
The decision to release the <Starcraft> Proleague records was reached as part of the recently announced "Next e-Sports Action Plan #1" for the fans who were curious about <Starcraft> Proleague statistics and records.
The release which has 10 years and 4 months worth of Proleague statistics will include records from "KTF EVER Proleague 2003 Season" started in March 1st, 2003 all the way up to the recent "SK Planet Starcraft2 Proleague 12-13 Season".
Total of 13 teams and 368 players have participated in Proleague until now. Lee "Flash" Young-Ho (KT) holds the record for most wins in regular season with 266 wins while Lee "Jaedong" Jae-Dong (EG) holds the record for most played games with 388 games. Also, Hong "Yellow" Jin-Ho (ex-KT) and Park "Reach" Jung-Suk (ex-KT) holds the record for longest participation in Proleague with 8 years, 3 months, and 29 days.
The released statistics can be viewed on KeSPA's website (http://www.e-sports.or.kr) and can be downloaded as an Excel file by anyone and can be shared, but cannot be used for monetary benefits. From now on, KeSPA is planning on releasing future Proleague records and statistics.
KeSPA's President Jun Byung-Hun stated, "Proleague is like a ship that has pulled Korean e-sports throughout the years. As we remember the past 10 years with our fans, we will also prepare for the next season to meet the expectations of our fans. By using the experience gained over the last 10 years, <Starcraft 2> Proleague will return in November with a reformed management of the league. We are also planning on reviving the short-term team tournaments that have disappeared since the 2007 KeSPA Cup. We will become an organization that will put in a lot of effort to meet the expectations of our fans".
also announced the return of short length team tournaments in the spirit of the defunct KeSPA Cup.
Thanks for making me unnecessarily alert on the morning It's one of those great examples on how rumour can spread from the misunderstandings of language though.
OP there was seriously no reason for this thread. It's not a rumour if you see the word KESPA CUP in an article you can't read and then conjecture that it could be an upcoming Brood War tournament.
Just wait till someone does a translation next time. If it is easy to confirm or deny whether or not something is true, you can wait a little bit before sharing the info. Believe me when I say we have a lot of people who know some Korean on this forum, and they're usually the ones to give us this kind of info.
Thanks Frost for taking the time to help. I think you didn't need to do a full translation either, but I guess it's practice ;p
On September 07 2013 01:20 Xiphos wrote: You are toying with the feelings of thousands.
With the way things are going, it's no big deal. BW has revitalized, and so long as SOSPA continues (i.e. fans continue to support the efforts of sonic et al), I don't mind it if Kespa never goes back to BW again. The scene began from the principle that people loved the game enough to play seriously, and so it all begins again.
On September 07 2013 01:29 Kaal wrote: OP deserves to be burned in the town square for this thread.
yea seriously
larse is the one who made the two posts about it being BW... and since he's known to translate stuff from time to time we all believed his interpretation/translation to be true. Don't see how it's OP's fault. :s
Anyway big thanks to Frost for clearing this up, as disappointing as it is.
Copying this here from the SC2 thread, since it may be of interest to folks here:
Interesting that KeSPA released all these statistics. But as some have noted, the spreadsheet only has real names, not IDs, so it's a little hard to use. So I wrote a script to try to match the names with IDs and TLPD id numbers, and then went through by hand to clean up things like players with the same name and names that weren't matched by my spider.
On September 07 2013 02:22 Kal_rA wrote: Idk.. I'm still waiting for Bisu to retire first. Lets hope for more players to come back before we can start a reputable teamleauge.
Baby steps brothers.
No, no, no! He must ditch SC2 and join SOSPA, then win many tournaments before retiring.
On September 07 2013 02:22 Kal_rA wrote: Idk.. I'm still waiting for Bisu to retire first. Lets hope for more players to come back before we can start a reputable teamleauge.
Baby steps brothers.
No, no, no! He must ditch SC2 and join SOSPA, then win many tournaments before retiring.
He means retire from SC2 ie retire playing professionally.
EPT
Was reposting Frost from other thread.
