Yesterday's Draco afreeca replays. - Page 2

On July 06 2006 23:14 jG]BeefcakeS wrote:
Once your at the pro level, you either learn to compensate for gay stuff, or start to suck. Look at the zergs that die, They just cant realise that 4 sunks and 12 lings wont save their asses.

On July 07 2006 01:06 IriS[YY] wrote:
Anyone knows Perfective's aka?

On July 07 2006 05:06 YoiChiBow wrote:


hanzo[fou]

On July 06 2006 21:39 YoiChiBow wrote:
gg's

but no offense ..draco's pvt isnt very good.( better than foreigners yes but that wont cut it in korea)

watch his games... he doesnt have a strong grasp on timing... he goes 5 gate always before his 2nd nat everygame.(cept that luna game vs perfective.. i think he went 6 gate ... and fell behind cuz of that).

No adapting at all.

On July 07 2006 06:22 Jathin wrote:


Way to suck logic straight out of the game. You can be far worse than Draco but still be in a position to say what he did right/wrong, as long as you have an understanding of the game. Isn't that the job of the commentators?

It's also easy to tell where a pro-gamer messed up. So "knowing" why pros are or aren't successful is easy to deduce after observing them enough. It's not like he said any one specific aspect of Draco's play is the sole source of failure (he said "timing," a rather broad statement).

And for the record, adaptability is a huge problem for pro-gamers. They seem to stick to the one build order/strategy they practiced because they're very comfortable with it. I also agree that Draco's PvT timing isn't where it needs to be to compete. Maybe he needs to play several games as a Terran to fully understand the timing.

Whether or not the timing on his gates were fine or not is up for debate, but to use "I think Draco would know best because he's better than you" is just ignorance speaking. Attitudes like that make me wonder if people really appreciate SC/Pro-Gaming, because if you take the standpoint that pro's are infallible then you're kind of just watching shit happen without thinking about the strategies behind it.

On July 07 2006 08:30 Live2Win wrote:


when I was watching the game on Afreeca, the guy who was commentating was talking about a babara starleague, and the winner of this match goes to the finals.

I guess a tourney thingy and it was bo3?

On July 07 2006 09:17 {88}iNcontroL's signature was:
tyranids rock.

On July 07 2006 07:32 RivetHead wrote:


the problem seems to be you are making a judgement of his whole pvt matchup and timing off of one game. he might have been jet lagged, tired, not taking it as serious as possible, or just having an off game.

another problem with your criticism is that you make its always so easy to see why someone loses. sure its easy to say draco got run over by superior macro and timing the game he lost, but then again why did he win the second game and his macro was fine. he adjusted to the opponant certaintly, but he also seemed to just play better in general the second game. maybe he wasnt warmed up or something.

sometimes its easy to spot mistakes progamers (or anyone, for that matter) make. we could say "oh damn, terran should have scanned for those stargates and found out carriers were coming before it was too late" and other such things when in fact the terran may have scanned everywhere but that one spot. other times, it doesnt seem to be so obvious why someone lost other than the victor was just better in some way that cant be seen so easily (better micro, slightly better macro, or just good timing)

of course you can watch the rep over and over again to see all the little things draco did wrong, which is most of the time the reason why would lose, because he isnt as good at doing at 100 little things at a time as progamers and doing something like putting up pylons too late or getting an upgrade too fast or taking a little too long to transfer workers.

On July 07 2006 09:22 bine wrote:


hahaha

when hurricane isabelle wreaked havoc on virginia when i was in highschool, our power was out for like a week. we dug out the ancient 40k armies we had and played for hours... it was so great.

the parallels to SC are striking though. aesthetically, toss is very similar to Eldar (dark eldar/DT, high eldar/HT etc.), tyranid is like identical to zerg, and come on, Space Marines? Even Chaos was like infested terrans.

On July 07 2006 09:35 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


SC is a complete robbery of War Hammer 40,000. Lings look EXACTLY like Gaunts and act basically the same way. The whole "Overmind" concept is completely "The Mind in the Warp" and how the Cerebrates / Overmind control the armies through the mind? Sooooooooo completely blatant.

It gets worse with Space Marines (didnt even change the name from the WH40K Space Marines).
And yeah Eldar --> Protoss so hard core. I dont blame Blizzard though. War hammer is fucking awsome and as far as original ideas go for races WH has done an incredible job.

On July 07 2006 09:51 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Ye, and Xel'naga = old ones?

Anyhow - A LOT of warhammer is obviously borrowed from alien / predator and the original book behind starship troopers