A former Broodwar pro who was banned from Kespa due to matchfixing issues is under investigation by the police for domestic abuse and acid terror attempt.
Park (25), who is an ex-progamer is under lawsuit from his wife for abuse and attempting to threaten her by pouring acid on her.
The wife also claims that he married her to avoid going to the army, but he began the domestic abuse ever since the attempt failed.
Kim, the wife, is suffering a unique disorder and he attempted to avoid going to the army under the reason of "Difficulty of family support".
Update 5:34 PM According to the article on Fomos and Naver, Luxury was accused of threatening his wife with acid on 3 occasions, past March, May, and June.
He has testified to the police that "He admits that he has abused his wife, but he did not threaten with acid".
OP will be updated as the investigation develops further.
Edit: Further accusations of his dirty past includes him trying to steal money from YellOw[ArnC]'s bank account (His twin brother). YellOw[ArnC] has apologized for the matchfixing issue to the public and went to the army.
Edit2: Removed anything about sAvior as he has nothing to do with this issue. I apologize.
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
I am not sure how I would reacted or probably would have done the same thing ? I am no saint but it's easy to jump to conclusion when the data presented to you is showed you from that particular perspective. Maybe luxury is a monster because he tried to threaten his wife with acid but if he really was he would have scarred her with the acid . Real life is so unpredictable violets death .. luxury wife abuser and etc ...
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
nice generalization
There is no generalization here. I've seen many posts of people still supporting sAvior, and there are threads about sAvior's streams. If you have some decency, and for the love of BW, don't support them. That is all I am saying. Lots of BW fans may not include you, so I don't know what the problem is.
On August 24 2012 23:25 Sawamura wrote: I am not sure how I would reacted or probably would have done the same thing ? I am no saint but it's easy to jump to conclusion when the data presented to you is showed you from that particular perspective. Maybe luxury is a monster because he tried to threaten his wife with acid but if he really was he would have scarred her with the acid . Real life is so unpredictable violets death .. luxury wife abuser and etc ...
Is there any hope left ?
Hope for what? Humanity? Yes. BW? No, probably not. But this incident surely is not the reason.
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
nice generalization
There is no generalization here. I've seen many posts of people still supporting sAvior, and there are threads about sAvior's streams. If you have some decency, and for the love of BW, don't support them. That is all I am saying. Lots of BW fans may not include you, so I don't know what the problem is.
sAviOr is one of the absolute most talented players that ever touched Brood War. The only one to show dominance even close to what Ma Bonjwa did in 2005- early 2007 is FlaSh. I understand that he hurt Brood War quite a lot and maybe many of you will hate him for the rest of your lives (and I'm not blaming you for that either, you have the right to do that) but you have to understand that if FlaSh never showed such prowess in recent years then sAviOr would go down as the most dominating player of all time (although not the most accomplished in terms of titles). There's a reason people have said he is "where bonjwa starts and ends" and to compare him to Luxury (especially in light of recent events) or YellOw[ArnC] is preposterous.
What? seriously? Luxury what the hell are you doing? I hope he gets to jail for this scumbags that hit their wife's should have no mercy at all. Bring the scumbag to jail a.s.a.p!
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
nice generalization
There is no generalization here. I've seen many posts of people still supporting sAvior, and there are threads about sAvior's streams. If you have some decency, and for the love of BW, don't support them. That is all I am saying. Lots of BW fans may not include you, so I don't know what the problem is.
sAviOr is one of the absolute most talented players that ever touched Brood War. The only one to show dominance even close to what Ma Bonjwa did in 2005- early 2007 is FlaSh. I understand that he hurt Brood War quite a lot and maybe many of you will hate him for the rest of your lives but you have to understand that if FlaSh never showed such prowess in recent years then sAviOr would go down as the most dominating player of all time (although not the most accomplished in terms of titles). There's a reason people have said he is "where bonjwa starts and ends" and to compare him to Luxury (especially in light of recent events) or YellOw[ArnC] is preposterous.
There's a reason why people say BW ended with him.
What indefensible behaviour. Glad to know he was caught before doing any further damage. On other news, OP could have prevented the thread from derailing by just refraining from adding some few sentences...
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
nice generalization
There is no generalization here. I've seen many posts of people still supporting sAvior, and there are threads about sAvior's streams. If you have some decency, and for the love of BW, don't support them. That is all I am saying. Lots of BW fans may not include you, so I don't know what the problem is.
im sorry but u made this post about luxury but also to blame ma bonjwa ?. get out -_-
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
nice generalization
There is no generalization here. I've seen many posts of people still supporting sAvior, and there are threads about sAvior's streams. If you have some decency, and for the love of BW, don't support them. That is all I am saying. Lots of BW fans may not include you, so I don't know what the problem is.
sAviOr is one of the absolute most talented players that ever touched Brood War. The only one to show dominance even close to what Ma Bonjwa did in 2005- early 2007 is FlaSh. I understand that he hurt Brood War quite a lot and maybe many of you will hate him for the rest of your lives (and I'm not blaming you for that either, you have the right to do that) but you have to understand that if FlaSh never showed such prowess in recent years then sAviOr would go down as the most dominating player of all time (although not the most accomplished in terms of titles). There's a reason people have said he is "where bonjwa starts and ends" and to compare him to Luxury (especially in light of recent events) or YellOw[ArnC] is preposterous.
I agree with you on many parts, but sAvior may not have abused someone himself, he has done worse in some aspect. He killed Brood war, and as a result, future of many other players. As the OSL casters themselves said, golden era of BW died with him and because of him. I would say he is equally bad, but in a completely different aspect.
No need to compare to YellOw, he is not the one accused of monstrocity.
On August 24 2012 23:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
im sorry but u made this post about luxury but also to blame ma bonjwa ?. get out -_-
You have a problem with that? With this chance, I'm saying do not support the matchfixers. You want to support him? TL definitely not the place for Maregi supporters.
On August 24 2012 23:44 forumtext wrote: What an asshole if this is true! What does he think he is, a hydralisk?
More like a bunker rush. Mofo.
Considering he plays zerg and the guy was relating it to the acidic spines.
If you wanted to go down south with those tactics you might as well said 4-6 pool or hydra bust.
Hey hey hey, hydra bust is a legit tactic.
True it's typical, but you know how angry some protosses get when they see it.
I hate it when zerg goes for hydra bust but only makes like 5 hydras... and I have like 5 cannons in natural.... facepalm!
sooo...you hate it when they fail a hydra bust? Good guy protoss eh?
I hate it because they succeeded a fake hydra bust and made me waste 750 minerals while they already transitioned to a macro game. This is going so off topic...
On August 24 2012 23:44 forumtext wrote: What an asshole if this is true! What does he think he is, a hydralisk?
More like a bunker rush. Mofo.
Considering he plays zerg and the guy was relating it to the acidic spines.
If you wanted to go down south with those tactics you might as well said 4-6 pool or hydra bust.
Hey hey hey, hydra bust is a legit tactic.
True it's typical, but you know how angry some protosses get when they see it.
I hate it when zerg goes for hydra bust but only makes like 5 hydras... and I have like 5 cannons in natural.... facepalm!
sooo...you hate it when they fail a hydra bust? Good guy protoss eh?
I hate it because they succeeded a fake hydra bust and made me waste 750 minerals while they already transitioned to a macro game. This is going so off topic...
Oh come on, just accept it you little angel. You say its a fake hydra bust but you actually just want them to really win with a hydra bust don't you. You little cute rascal.
On August 24 2012 23:59 Gatsbizzle wrote: What the fuck, so much drama right now? Acid threats are bad enough but stealing from your own brother as well? Luxury... =/
? Stealing from your brother is worst then hurting a human? I stole from my sister before. lol. Just coins though.
On August 24 2012 23:59 Gatsbizzle wrote: What the fuck, so much drama right now? Acid threats are bad enough but stealing from your own brother as well? Luxury... =/
? Stealing from your brother is worst then hurting a human? I stole from my sister before. lol. Just coins though.
Yeah I guess I phrased that out of order (acid definitely worse than theft, and the deferment marriage isn't a shining act of character, either). I think I was more going for the one or the other is bad enough on its own, but doing both just compounds the horrible-ness of his character.
It's sad how terrible news like these get prominent light in TL while positive news like CJ team hosting an open-house event for the students with disabilities in Korea will not be known to many. (This news is available on Fomos)
man, domestic abuse, animal abuse, match fixing and stealing from your own brother. seems like a jerk compared to the other match fixer. but i wonder how the case will result.
He plays zerg, maybe he meant a zerg acid weapon and not for real.
Also, we only know she accuses him of it, not that it's proven to be true. I'd check first if he even has access to any real acid of such sort, because most likely he doesn't and was just applying abusive language (which is a serious problem too, of course, but not on the same level). However, if it can be proven beyond a doubt that he was seriously intending to use harmful acid on another human, he belongs in a mental hospital for sure. (this gotta be the weirdest esports-related news i've ever heard)
I hope it was more of a heat of the moment thing like "I will destroy your face and make you ugly bitch" in a fight and not that he actually meant it and had access to real acid. But with the match fixing, the marrige to dodge the military and the violence behind him he would probably be capable of actually doing it.
If I ever worked my way up winning a premier BW Champion, my life would basically be set as long as I don't do anything stupid. Strange how people choose to act in a certain way.
pfft someone who won the MSL to degrade to such a person. a downright scumbag in society, i can actually take the matchfixing but doing such things is just downright disgusting and is a total jerk. wonder how he managed to even win the MSL in the first place
If I ever worked my way up winning a premier BW Champion, my life would basically be set as long as I don't do anything stupid. Strange how people choose to act in a certain way.
Are you basing this on the idea of free will without considering mental or relativist contingencies?
On August 24 2012 23:59 Gatsbizzle wrote: What the fuck, so much drama right now? Acid threats are bad enough but stealing from your own brother as well? Luxury... =/
? Stealing from your brother is worse then hurting a human? I stole from my sister before. lol. Just coins though.
Well the thing is there is still an ongoing investigation so it might not be true. That being said, it's very hard to make stuff up like being threatened with acid,
If I ever worked my way up winning a premier BW Champion, my life would basically be set as long as I don't do anything stupid. Strange how people choose to act in a certain way.
Are you basing this on the idea of free will without considering mental or relativist contingencies?
I was a fan of fake yellow but hated luxury before the scandals. I had a feeling luxury was the person in question just by reading the title. It sucks that this happened.Very little good news for BW pros lately. I hope the wife has the best of health in her future and can leave luxury behind.
People are kinda jumping to conclusions that all these accusations are true. Calm down people. Though, it has been well known for a long time that luxury and yarnc disliked eachother and that Luxury was considered a bit of a dick. A "bit of a dick" could be polite term for "sociopathic monster" ofc.
On August 25 2012 02:47 whatevername wrote: People are kinda jumping to conclusions that all these accusations are true. Calm down people. Though, it has been well known for a long time that luxury and yarnc disliked eachother and that Luxury was considered a bit of a dick. A "bit of a dick" could be polite term for "sociopathic monster" ofc.
I would, but I can't ignore what his wife said in the past.
Although the investigation is ongoing, I doubt a spouse would make up the threat of acid (and if it went that far, I imagine the rest of the abuse was significant)
Too bad for yarnc, being his twin brother and susceptible to misunderstandings.
Does luxury just have acid lying around his house or was he like, "you better shape up or I'll run down to the store and buy some acid to throw in your face!"? And how is this common enough to have an official name?
On August 25 2012 02:47 whatevername wrote: People are kinda jumping to conclusions that all these accusations are true. Calm down people. Though, it has been well known for a long time that luxury and yarnc disliked eachother and that Luxury was considered a bit of a dick. A "bit of a dick" could be polite term for "sociopathic monster" ofc.
I would, but I can't ignore what his wife said in the past.
Everything fits together so well atm.
... cmon, you can't just say that and not tell lol
Anyways this is definitely a shocking way to start the morning, hopefully the rest of the matchfixers don't go wayward like this :\
On August 25 2012 02:13 BisuDagger wrote: I was a fan of fake yellow but hated luxury before the scandals. I had a feeling luxury was the person in question just by reading the title. It sucks that this happened.Very little good news for BW pros lately. I hope the wife has the best of health in her future and can leave luxury behind.
I had the same feeling for him, for some unknown reason I've never liked Luxury. These are some really bad bad things, damn Luxury wtf!
What the fuck Luxury? I'm surprised someone who was caught match-fixing and had his future completely destroyed could get married so fast/easily and then goes and abuses his wife. Didn't realize Luxury was so effed in the head
Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
On August 25 2012 04:10 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
Also known as "Ma Bonjwa" (for the same name reason), and featured in one of the best final edits of TL: God of the Battlefield
For those who don't know what the disease does ( i didn't so i looked it up) The fact that he threw hydrochloric acid on anyone is terrible but the fact that its his wife and she suffers from this condition. There is a special place in hell for this guy.
Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
On August 25 2012 04:10 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
Oh, right, I just didn't know him by Ma Jae Yoon. Fair enough then, thank you.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys.
Whoa what, in which first world culture? And if it's to such an extent that it's particularly notable and criminal it's probably something a little more than making a dog run into a door for a laugh one afternoon.
On August 25 2012 04:10 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
first of all u are not one to say whats the people need to support. everyone decided whats to do and whats support.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
On August 25 2012 04:32 Seraphic wrote: Animal abuse isn't normal for young boys. It's a tall tail sign of the person in question having a HUGE amount of personal issues.
Throw Luxary in jail for god sakes, this is unacceptable.
I like how ironic this post is. Clearly throwing someone in jail is going to help them solve their personal issues. Maybe South Korean jail is somehow superior to other jails, but if I were a betting man I'd say it would make the issues worse.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
Bolded his argument. - beating wife not proven So is it proven? I also wish to know what is his wife's condition, quote: "suffering a unique disorder", because it could be related to mental health too. Not to offend her or anything, it's just a detail that has to be investigated with such cases. It's the easiest to jump on the most obvious conclusions.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys.
Whoa what, in which first world culture? And if it's to such an extent that it's particularly notable and criminal it's probably something a little more than making a dog run into a door for a laugh one afternoon.
Well maybe it is because I am village boy but here it is quite normal. Like plugging out a flys wings or burning ants with a magnifying glass. It is totally normal behaviour and learning process in a lot of young predatory animals or just plain curiousity imo. I know especially in america people seem to be afraid to talk honestly about this because some people think it is a sign of becomeing a psychopath or something.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
It's not proven yet I thought that he beat her? Relationship problems can be such a mess with lots of lies involved, especially if it started out as a marriage of convenience and then one part starts developing feelings. I just hate these kind of news. Why do they publish these kinds of stories before the case is settled in court? There is a reason countries have a court system to find if someone really is guilty of the accusations against him. All the people here judge him already, his image is forever ruined, his character destroyed, even thought he is not proven guilty yet.
No idea if it's true, maybe it is. If it is, then that's a shame. If it's just some wife that's mad then that's just as bad. I guess we won't know the truth, but nowadays people are more likely to think it's possible given his bad past.
If the charges are true I don't mind all for throwing him under the bus. Right now though they're just charges, from a wife who has "unique" health problems, so we can't tell for sure how bad it really is. In any case Luxury might lawfully deserve jail, but it'll be the opposite of helping him get his life straightened out.
Thanks to ShakAttaK. I updated the OP with the link to the wife's illness. I didn't know how to translate that to English lol.
The illness is not some mental disorder, it has to do with your muscle and inability to control your body the way you want to. We will have to wait until the investigation is finished.
On August 25 2012 04:10 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
first of all u are not one to say whats the people need to support. everyone decided whats to do and whats support.
Ok, feel free to support a dick who completely ruined the game we love. If I were you, I wouldn't openly support these morons, which is basically what you are doing, but that's just my two cents.
On August 25 2012 05:11 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Thanks to ShakAttaK. I updated the OP with the link to the wife's illness. I didn't know how to translate that to English lol.
The illness is not some mental disorder, it has to do with your muscle and inability to control your body the way you want to. We will have to wait until the investigation is finished.
On August 25 2012 04:10 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: Mr. Ma is Ma Jae Yoon or Maregi (Trash Ma) a.k.a. sAvior, the most dominant zerg in BW history. He killed BW by being the center piece of matchfixing scandal, acted as a broker to many others.
I'm not comparing him to what Luxury has done, just that people shouldn't support any of the matchfixers.
first of all u are not one to say whats the people need to support. everyone decided whats to do and whats support.
Ok, feel free to support a dick who completely ruined the game we love. If I were you, I wouldn't openly support these morons, which is basically what you are doing, but that's just my two cents.
Please do not further derail this thread with sAviOr hatred, you have made your stance on the issue clear already. Thank you. Calling sAviOr a moron? What have you accomplished in Brood War? How many Starleagues and MSLs have you won, and when the maps were really bad for your race, to boot? Shit like this just makes my blood boil. >_<
I understand this is frustrating to you and you have every right to be upset but respect other people's opinions too ffs.
That said Luxury is a horrible person. He should see a therapist asap.
The match-fixing has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he threats his wife like shit. Just because you have committed fraud and later on raped someone means that either has anything to do with each other.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
If you had actually read the entire thing you would know that it is not proven that he beat his wife. But by all means continue the blind hate.
What's so blind about hating a criminal who hasn't been found guilty yet of a subsequent crime? People don't get infinite chances in life. The guy's already on thin ice with the matchmaking scandal. He doesn't deserve another chance.
On August 24 2012 22:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote: I know lots of BW fans on TL still like sAvior and them. Please, ignoring them is the best of interest for the entire BW scene.
I don't even understand this thread and post, the op says to just ignore savior and all the matchfixers, in a thread he made already talking about them >.> then its just a bunch of people already calling somebody guilty before he even has the chance to defend himself based off prior actions.
Oh boy!!! Sad to know about this kinda stuff. Things just didnt go well for him after that SC scandal, and now this...hes gone crazy mode...its so sad. Hopefuly things will change in the future for him, for good. So sad man. Crap like this should never happen.
On August 25 2012 05:57 andrewlt wrote: What's so blind about hating a criminal who hasn't been found guilty yet of a subsequent crime? People don't get infinite chances in life. The guy's already on thin ice with the matchmaking scandal. He doesn't deserve another chance.
This is on a different level then matchfixing. Matchfixing is just about fucking money man. Someone betraying a collective of other persons for egoistic monetary gain. Do you expect a person who tried to dodge paying taxes, while gaining benefits of other peoples tax money, to start beating his wife? Will you say "oh I knew it that fucking criminal didn't pay his taxes, I knew he had it in him!" ??...
well, i dont feel pissed for hin, but for her, ur ill and shit and maybe u think u got somebody who likes u AND bam here comes acid an shit... sometimes i wish there was a god, as stated by so many religions who just zaps this mofu ouuta this world... this is just sick 8/
On August 25 2012 05:57 andrewlt wrote: What's so blind about hating a criminal who hasn't been found guilty yet of a subsequent crime? People don't get infinite chances in life. The guy's already on thin ice with the matchmaking scandal. He doesn't deserve another chance.
This is on a different level then matchfixing. Matchfixing is just about fucking money man. Someone betraying a collective of other persons for egoistic monetary gain. Do you expect a person who tried to dodge paying taxes, while gaining benefits of other peoples tax money, to start beating his wife? Will you say "oh I knew it that fucking criminal didn't pay his taxes, I knew he had it in him!" ??...
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
Bolded his argument. - beating wife not proven So is it proven? I also wish to know what is his wife's condition, quote: "suffering a unique disorder", because it could be related to mental health too. Not to offend her or anything, it's just a detail that has to be investigated with such cases. It's the easiest to jump on the most obvious conclusions.
He has testified to the police that "He admits that he has abused his wife, but he did not threaten with acid".
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys.
Whoa what, in which first world culture? And if it's to such an extent that it's particularly notable and criminal it's probably something a little more than making a dog run into a door for a laugh one afternoon.
Well maybe it is because I am village boy but here it is quite normal. Like plugging out a flys wings or burning ants with a magnifying glass. It is totally normal behaviour and learning process in a lot of young predatory animals or just plain curiousity imo. I know especially in america people seem to be afraid to talk honestly about this because some people think it is a sign of becomeing a psychopath or something.
Uhh... typically animal abuse is not a label put on destroying tiny insects. I'd wager that the rumors were based on something far more heinous.
But either way, he's confessed to abusing his wife so D:
Not sure if this is news at all. This 'player' has nothing to do with Starcraft anymore and any attention he gets is too much, whether it's positive or negative.
Still terrible for the girl off course and I sincerely hope she's alright, but not sure why it needs a thread.
On August 25 2012 08:01 huehuehuehue wrote: Translate or tl;dr what his wife said?
Pretty much matches what the allegations are atm, except the acid part which is recent.
From my memory, out of order:
1. Hurt his own foot to avoid military and let the infection grow, wife's parents eventually "dragged" luxury to hospital to get surgery 2. Tries to steal from his brother's bank account but gets caught 3. I really loved him but I didn't know he married me due to military reasons
etc.
Ending note: I don't think I'll ever marry a man again
On August 25 2012 08:47 Pufftrees wrote: Wonder when we can get confirmation, but I guess the only option is Luxury?
It is Luxury. He was the only one confirmed to get married on his own stream, and she posted that note on the web sometime later.
Honestly not surprised it's Luxury of all people; great player, but he always came off as sort of a dick to me, even without factoring in the match fixing.
Damn, that letter is sickening. I think "trash" is a pretty accurate description if all of that is true.
On August 25 2012 04:25 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: Need more info. 1. Beating wife and acid thread - not proven 2. Animal abuse - how old and to what extent? it's quite normal for youngs boys. 3. Marrying to dodge army - so what if the wife knew about it and was ok with it? for a pacifist it is way worse to join an organization of sactioned killers 4. matchfixing - bad move and sucks, he got his punishment, no reason to hate forever 5. attemp to steal money from brothers bank account - pretty bad but seems to just be a rumour as well?
Or maybe I just had enough bad news for this week
Really? Do you know lots of pacifists who beat their wives? I mean, I could be wrong, but last time I checked, domestic violence is not exactly congruous with the pacifist ideals of non-violence.
Bolded his argument. - beating wife not proven So is it proven? I also wish to know what is his wife's condition, quote: "suffering a unique disorder", because it could be related to mental health too. Not to offend her or anything, it's just a detail that has to be investigated with such cases. It's the easiest to jump on the most obvious conclusions.
He has testified to the police that "He admits that he has abused his wife, but he did not threaten with acid".
Well I guess that's settled.
Well, that's new information that came after your and my post. And sorry to nitpick so much, but what's the meaning of "abuse", does it guarantee he did beat his wife? Could it mean "only" verbal abuse? (still a serious problem, of course)
About the letter above, yeah, if only part of it is true, "trash" would describe this guy the best. Probably not really a major kind of criminal or insane, but definitely in dire need of growing up and being taught a lesson in life.
I hope he hasn't ruined the womans life forever, one of my family members when she was younger ended up in a situation like this and it pretty much scarred her for years.
I can just imagine the police in chief saying something like:
"Park Chan Soo is a very dangerous men. He have been trained under the apprentice of the greatest heroe of all time, Park Sung Suk and was a compatriot of the Ultimate Weapon. All units be careful when apprehending the man, be armed at all time."
Holy crap. The match fixing? Could be explained by idiot kids who didn't think of the consequences along with greed. Threatening to POUR ACID THREE TIMES ON HIS DISABLED WIFE? Jeezus. Lock him up and toss the key I say.
Man after reading the journal post I feel so bad for the wife. I hope she can find a better man than that piece of shit.
wow, i actually loved him as a player, and the twins were always some of the guys i always looked out for in matches.. what a total load of shit, totally unacceptable and he gets what he deserves.
i just hope yellow doesnt act the same when he gets out of the army, i doubt he will. (but i also doubted luxury will ever do something to that degree either, guess i was wrong)
So many events going on this week, reading those excerpts from that diary...really hope Luxury gets what is coming to him for pulling all this bad stuff off.
On August 25 2012 04:32 Seraphic wrote: Animal abuse isn't normal for young boys. It's a tall tail sign of the person in question having a HUGE amount of personal issues.
you've never dissected a bird or fish when you were little? its a lot more common than you think resident TL psychologist
On August 25 2012 04:32 Seraphic wrote: Animal abuse isn't normal for young boys. It's a tall tail sign of the person in question having a HUGE amount of personal issues.
you've never dissected a bird or fish when you were little? its a lot more common than you think resident TL psychologist
On August 25 2012 11:49 imperator-xy wrote: some teachers dissect frogs or other animals with their pupils in like 7th grade. i dont see why dissecting animals would be strange
Dissecting a dead animal for class is way different than abusing an animal, I don't see why you guys are even trying to compare the two.
Came back from Seoul today to get my medical braces replaced.
Reminds me of older days... makes me sad.
Even though I may be suffering from this disease (mentioned in OP), I still would have lived a happy life before I met this piece of trash...
I remember what my mother-in-law told me
"We gave you money for two surgeries, what more do you expect?"
What a fucking joke... her own son caused the injuries... and to someone that isn't well to begin with (because of her disability)
I went through surgeries, once for 6 hours and once for 4 hours without anesthesia, and that's all they can say...
They don't remember that their son blew all their money through match-fixing, and all they can say is "You made him bring you money?"
His card bills... his debts... And every day I get hurt for him and have to take care of his shit...
6 weeks ago, he wore shoes that were too small on purpose to get his toes infected, and refused treatment
And now he wants to avoid conscription because of his "injury"...
My dad is a saint.
What kind of father-in-law would drive his son-in-law to the hospital in the middle of his work day?
They (Luxury and his mother) would always say to me..
"I think you're using all the money that my son earned through gaming to be with other men"
"Remember my mom bought you ginseng while I was a progamer? She wants that money back."
"My mom and her sister blew 30 million won through stocks"
"My mom wants my money... should I just stab her to death?"(Yes, that's what it says)
He used to say shit like that.
Now he was taking money from his twin brother, and he got caught by his mom...
And now he's calling me a bitch... me who had to get surgery because of what he did.
I can't believe that was my husband...
Even after all that, I called him my husband.. what was I thinking?
I called the Korean Department of Defense... that he was trying to avoid conscription.
2012/8/7, when he got his drafting letter...
He went to his mom's house and pulled more stupid shit asking to get surgery for his toe...
And then he suddenly calls the DoD to delay his conscription?
How the hell did I live with this trash...
He may try to act innocent on the outside, but he's complete scum
I should have known when he made some girl get an abortion and not feel sorry about it later...
If there is a God, please let me get a divorce from that bug as soon as possible.
I don't even think I can ever meet another man after this.
edit: I'm feeling a bit sensationalist, why don't I bold the worst parts.
The way he has treated his disabled wife, the way he has carried himself, has been entirely disgusting and indefensible, never mind his being matchfixing scum. What a piece of filth.
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
Why is this piece of scum still alive?
..... That piece of shit..... Justice better be served fairly for all the shits he has done.....
I expect I may be violating the rule of low content posting, but this basically summed up my thoughts after reading the article as well as through all the posts.
On August 25 2012 11:00 aRyuujin wrote: fuck you luxury
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
Came back from Seoul today to get my medical braces replaced.
Reminds me of older days... makes me sad.
Even though I may be suffering from this disease (mentioned in OP), I still would have lived a happy life before I met this piece of trash...
I remember what my mother-in-law told me
"We gave you money for two surgeries, what more do you expect?"
What a fucking joke... her own son caused the injuries... and to someone that isn't well to begin with (because of her disability)
I went through surgeries, once for 6 hours and once for 4 hours without anesthesia, and that's all they can say...
They don't remember that their son blew all their money through match-fixing, and all they can say is "You made him bring you money?"
His card bills... his debts... And every day I get hurt for him and have to take care of his shit...
6 weeks ago, he wore shoes that were too small on purpose to get his toes infected, and refused treatment
And now he wants to avoid conscription because of his "injury"...
My dad is a saint.
What kind of father-in-law would drive his son-in-law to the hospital in the middle of his work day?
They (Luxury and his mother) would always say to me..
"I think you're using all the money that my son earned through gaming to be with other men"
"Remember my mom bought you ginseng while I was a progamer? She wants that money back."
"My mom and her sister blew 30 million won through stocks"
"My mom wants my money... should I just stab her to death?"(Yes, that's what it says)
He used to say shit like that.
Now he was taking money from his twin brother, and he got caught by his mom...
And now he's calling me a bitch... me who had to get surgery because of what he did.
I can't believe that was my husband...
Even after all that, I called him my husband.. what was I thinking?
I called the Korean Department of Defense... that he was trying to avoid conscription.
2012/8/7, when he got his drafting letter...
He went to his mom's house and pulled more stupid shit asking to get surgery for his toe...
And then he suddenly calls the DoD to delay his conscription?
How the hell did I live with this trash...
He may try to act innocent on the outside, but he's complete scum
I should have known when he made some girl get an abortion and not feel sorry about it later...
If there is a God, please let me get a divorce from that bug as soon as possible.
I don't even think I can ever meet another man after this.
edit: I'm feeling a bit sensationalist, why don't I bold the worst parts.
She had two surgery ? Nonetheless I take back what I have mention in the previous post, not only his wife have a unique disorder he had throw away all the necessary meds and gave her a penicilin which is poisonous to her system ?. I don't think the word scum even fit's him if this was true . Damn luxury does not only deserve a divorce he should also be sued for causing grievous bodily harm to the wife the evidence is there and she could testify that he did all of this .
Well at least under the Australia GBH in the statute says that ...
Queensland: under the provisions of the Criminal Code 1899, the elements of the offence of the grievous bodily harm can be found in sections 1, 302(1) (murder), 317 (acts intended to cause grievous bodily harm), 320 (doing grievous bodily harm), 322 (poisoning) and 327 (setting man traps).
Looking to s 322, doing grievous bodily harm using poison under the Queensland Act is as follows:
“A person who unlawfully, and with intent to injure or annoy another person, causes a poison or another noxious thing to be administered to, or taken by, any person commits a crime.”
However, it’s probably s 327 that is of most interest that makes reference to setting ‘man traps’ – which of course leads us to the question: What on earth is a ‘man trap’? Well, a man trap is defined in the following way:
Not sure about korean criminal law statute could not cite any law from their jurisdiction although universally it is understood that gbh is a serious offence and if proven could lead to 5 years in imprisonment.
source and evidence for the penicillin poison story? lol at a 3 line quote from fomos leading people to call him a murderer and asking why he is still alive. A fucking lynch mop this is, nothing else.
On August 25 2012 13:28 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: source and evidence for the penicillin poison story? lol at a 3 line quote from fomos leading people to call him a murderer and asking why he is still alive. A fucking lynch mop this is, nothing else.
i think since he was a match-fixer people aren't inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. it's a good point, though, i guess all of this could be made up. time and court proceedings will tell, or at least they ought to
Came back from Seoul today to get my medical braces replaced.
Reminds me of older days... makes me sad.
Even though I may be suffering from this disease (mentioned in OP), I still would have lived a happy life before I met this piece of trash...
I remember what my mother-in-law told me
"We gave you money for two surgeries, what more do you expect?"
What a fucking joke... her own son caused the injuries... and to someone that isn't well to begin with (because of her disability)
I went through surgeries, once for 6 hours and once for 4 hours without anesthesia, and that's all they can say...
They don't remember that their son blew all their money through match-fixing, and all they can say is "You made him bring you money?"
His card bills... his debts... And every day I get hurt for him and have to take care of his shit...
6 weeks ago, he wore shoes that were too small on purpose to get his toes infected, and refused treatment
And now he wants to avoid conscription because of his "injury"...
My dad is a saint.
What kind of father-in-law would drive his son-in-law to the hospital in the middle of his work day?
They (Luxury and his mother) would always say to me..
"I think you're using all the money that my son earned through gaming to be with other men"
"Remember my mom bought you ginseng while I was a progamer? She wants that money back."
"My mom and her sister blew 30 million won through stocks"
"My mom wants my money... should I just stab her to death?"(Yes, that's what it says)
He used to say shit like that.
Now he was taking money from his twin brother, and he got caught by his mom...
And now he's calling me a bitch... me who had to get surgery because of what he did.
I can't believe that was my husband...
Even after all that, I called him my husband.. what was I thinking?
I called the Korean Department of Defense... that he was trying to avoid conscription.
2012/8/7, when he got his drafting letter...
He went to his mom's house and pulled more stupid shit asking to get surgery for his toe...
And then he suddenly calls the DoD to delay his conscription?
How the hell did I live with this trash...
He may try to act innocent on the outside, but he's complete scum
I should have known when he made some girl get an abortion and not feel sorry about it later...
If there is a God, please let me get a divorce from that bug as soon as possible.
I don't even think I can ever meet another man after this.
edit: I'm feeling a bit sensationalist, why don't I bold the worst parts.
WHAT.THE.FUCK. I feel sorry for this woman and anyone who ever cheered for or supported Luxury.... This is just apalling. Assuming it's all true, I hope the law finds him.
Words cannot express the rage I feel. Luxury's wife's anger and anguish against her disgusting husband must be piercing the skies, as they say in Korean. The whole thing made me almost shake in anger as I read. I hope that the wife gets a successful divorce. She did the right thing, calling the Department of Defense. There's no need for her to suffer any longer.
Thanks ExceeD_DreaM and doothegee for sharing the news. Domestic abuse is absolutely disgusting, but Luxury's string of multiple crimes is just... Augh. May justice be served, with fury.
What? This is not only despicable but extremely, extremely depressing. I think he was caught up in match-fixing too but to do this as well......just no respect. Wow.
After reading the diary of his wife, I think my first response to this was justifed.
Throw this loser of a person in jail and NEVER let him out. Ever. He had done enough harm to things around him. I cannot forgive someone who treats another human being, let alone a disabled wife for god sakes, like this. I hope they punish him even harsher to prove a freaken point.
How the hell can you EVER think to do something like this? How? What kind of person are you Luxary?
There are terrible people everywhere, it can happen among gamers as well i guess. Hell, all we can do ourselves is give a good example to those around us ourselves.
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
I'm shocked to find that a progamer was capable of this, but unfortunately for sportsmen it's a struggle when you stop competing, and a lot of them go crazy. Knowing that it was one of the twins, I'm pretty sure everybody would have guessed that it was Luxury. I always thought compared to Yellow[arnc] that he had a harsh face. I kind of half-expected that he wasn't very nice, but not to this extent. Looking at those notes, his mother doesn't seem very nice either. Now that I recall, on that documentary, didn't their teammates in Sparkies say that they were very different and never hung around with eachother. That certainly seems to suggest that they didn't get along very well at home. It makes you wonder how their household situation was when they were teens living at home. I really hope that Yellow is independent enough to keep his family at a healthy distance.
I'm shocked to find that a progamer was capable of this, but unfortunately for sportsmen it's a struggle when you stop competing, and a lot of them go crazy. Knowing that it was one of the twins, I'm pretty sure everybody would have guessed that it was Luxury. I always thought compared to Yellow[arnc] that he had a harsh face. I kind of half-expected that he wasn't very nice, but not to this extent. Looking at those notes, his mother doesn't seem very nice either. Now that I recall, on that documentary, didn't their teammates in Sparkies say that they were very different and never hung around with eachother. That certainly seems to suggest that they didn't get along very well at home. It makes you wonder how their household situation was when they were teens living at home. I really hope that Yellow is independent enough to keep his family at a healthy distance.
Yellow(arnc) is just unfortunate. in terms of match fixing he kept refusing to do so
but other people would insist so he just did it once and it wasnt even an official match.
From what i hear on forums, unlike his brother, he is a nice guy
I'm shocked to find that a progamer was capable of this, but unfortunately for sportsmen it's a struggle when you stop competing, and a lot of them go crazy. Knowing that it was one of the twins, I'm pretty sure everybody would have guessed that it was Luxury. I always thought compared to Yellow[arnc] that he had a harsh face. I kind of half-expected that he wasn't very nice, but not to this extent. Looking at those notes, his mother doesn't seem very nice either. Now that I recall, on that documentary, didn't their teammates in Sparkies say that they were very different and never hung around with eachother. That certainly seems to suggest that they didn't get along very well at home. It makes you wonder how their household situation was when they were teens living at home. I really hope that Yellow is independent enough to keep his family at a healthy distance.
Yellow(arnc) is just unfortunate. in terms of match fixing he kept refusing to do so
but other people would insist so he just did it once and it wasnt even an official match.
From what i hear on forums, unlike his brother, he is a nice guy
Yeah, that's what I thought. All the pieces seems to fall in place now. The match-fixing was probably not the first time Luxury got Yellow into trouble. That's why they were not very close. There were too many major differences.
So he made a girl pregnant in the past and just aborted it and not take responsibility? Also wtf throwing her meds and making her require surgery due to an injury he caused? Wow.....
I use to like him, but something always seemed off about him, I guess my instincts were right. Unfortunately. He seems like a very unhappy guy, life didn't turn out the way he wanted but even then that's no excuse to act like a complete scum of the earth. I hope he gets some jail time and hopefully he will change for the better.
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
On August 25 2012 12:47 doothegee wrote: Newest addition to story: (courtesy of Fomos)
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
I thought he was a piece of shit when the match-fixing scandal broke and he was part of it. Now I hear that he married this chick with a disability to dodge the military and now all this abuse he is accused of.....fuck this kid.
This is ridiculous and shocking. But am I the only one who thinks people threading it with Violet's unfortunate passing are being silly? Don't taint the tragedy of losing Violet with this story simply because they were both progamers, or both on KT at some point. As a previous match-fixer I don't even know why folks are even connecting his name to KT at all really. It should be as the title says, Former BW pro investigated. Period.
Feel terrible for spouses who have to put up with this level of insanity.
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
On August 25 2012 23:50 KamMoye wrote: This thread is a great example of how out-of-touch this generation is with compassion.
If you are saying we should be feeling sorry for this sociopath, you are the one out of touch because that is a wholly indefensible position. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.
On August 25 2012 13:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote: What the fuck is wrong with this fucking person, how the hell can you justify any of this to yourself???
So sad, so sad. To have to live with someone like this, damn.
I always liked Yarnc, glad it's not him who did all this I guess -_ -
It's so funny that you bring that up. I also allways liked Yarnc and thought he seemed like a gentle soul. I didn't have that feeling about Luxury and it struck me as odd because they are twins. But I never thought he's be such a piece of shit, scum of the earth kind of guy.
Seems like the mother is some kind of sadist as well as she knows her son is abusing a sick woman and seems to think it's ok. Maybe that's where he got all of this from. I can hardly believe that Yarnc seemed to have turned out such a normal hard working guy after how the rest of his family seemingly behaves.
I hope Luxury gets put behind bars for a very long time. Abusing a wife with a serious physical disorder is a very gruesome crime. But then again he's probably going to walk off scot free because of lack of evidence as per usual in domestic abuse cases unless the victim reports it right after the incidents (maybe she did).
People with diseases like Luxury's wife cannot take penicillin, because it causes a reaction that could be fatal. Apparently when his wife was asking for medicine, Luxury intentionally threw away all of her original medicine and gave her penicillin, meaning that she needed to be rushed to the hospital and require surgery (possibly the one referred to in her diary)
Why is this piece of scum still alive?
He needs to go to prison now. Seriously though what the fuck did I just read? It seems unreal..
Is there something we can do as a TL community here to help Luxary's poor wife?
I honestly cannot sit here and idle knowing she was put through soo much because of 1 person that is apparently the worse person ever to be born on the planet. (That's stretching it but you get my point.)
dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
That he abused his wife is already really brutal stuff and I think it's one of the worst things you could do, but are there any proofs for the other stuff so far? If I overlooked any kind of proofs I'm really sorry and you should tell me, but I 'only' see him saying that he abused her, without that acid stuff and that there is that diary entry by his wife.
He should be punished on the abuse and if he did the acid part and stealing money as well he is an even more horrible person, but as long as there are only accusations I find it a little shocking to read some of the posts here.
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
Being attacked with acid is a lifelong issue, as you would be horribly disfigured afterwards and (generally) require large amounts of surgery. It's not like being non-fatally shot, where you would just go, get your medical attention, and have a recovery. The destruction of someone's appearance (especially for a female,) would be an incredibly horrible and emotional experience that would never go away.
And Luxury was a damn good player.. but even more of a scumbag..
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
Hm about acid I remember reading about some guy throwing out acid out of windows on people to fuck their skin up. I guess you just have it in some sort of container and throw it at people, not sure.
And he was no B-teamer and this whole story is fucked up. If his wife is telling the truth he needs to go to prison right now!
Damn this is really fucked up. I never knew he'd go this low after the scandal. I've always liked yarnc better than him. Hell even his mother seems like a fucking sadist who got enjoyment out of this. I hope he gets seriously punished for this. I feel very sorry for the poor wife. T_T.
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
People throw acid because it leaves permenant disfigurement, it doesn't really ever happen in the west, but in other countries there are quite a lot of cases of jealous men throwing acid on women after being rejected by them, I guess their intention is that if they can't have them then nobody can, or nobody will want to.
I hate to say it because I hate that its true, but a lot of a women's value is her beauty, more so in some countries so there's that aspect of punishing her too.
The more I read about this guy the more I'd like to run into him in the street. I hope this guy goes to prison and in there he meets some guys who are as disgusted with domestic abuse as everyone in this thread is.
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
He was no B teamer. He was a former MSL champion.
As regarding to your acid question, acid can and will permanantly disfigure a persons face. It will also burn up any skin it comes to contact with. I don't think even plastic surgery can fix it. Most commonly used acids are 'Hydrochloric Acid' and 'Hydrogen Sulphate', the latter being much more deadlier than the first one. It is usually kept inside a flask (like the ones in a chemistry lab) and you throw it at another person.
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Do we want to hide things from people to keep the from doing them or do we want to just teach them not to do it?
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Yes and that's why they are all gay because they live with mans only?
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
No wonder all those hundreds if not thousands of progamers are all abusers, and there are no domestic abusers who are not progamers.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Do we want to hide things from people to keep the from doing them or do we want to just teach them not to do it?
Parents dont know how to parent. (and possibly schools should be more strict)
I dunno about that. If your kid is born a psychopat without the ability to feel empathy then there is a good chance that person will end up harming people. It's unclear if the mother has any hand in why he has become abusive but she sure seems to think it's acceptable behaviour.
I just wanted to make the point that it he might have done stuff like this even with perfect parenting. Some real life psychopats know full well intellectually that they shouldn't harm people. But they do it anyway because they are simply physically unable to empathize with the victim or they are deluded enough to value themselves miles above anyone else. Kind of like a normal person would value themselves higher than a rodent or a bug.
Again we don't know enough of Luxury to confirm if this description fits on him. It might be he has a rage problem. Point is, we don't know.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
No wonder all those hundreds if not thousands of progamers are all abusers, and there are no domestic abusers who are not progamers.
I'd be willing to wager that if you took statistics of abusive spouses the gamers would probably have a lower percentage of offenders than people with other hobbies/interests. Gamers are known to have fits of rage in front of computers but that would indicate that they are getting an outlet for that rage. I've never ever heard of someone beating up on their wife because someone killed their character in world of warcraft or something similar.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
No wonder all those hundreds if not thousands of progamers are all abusers, and there are no domestic abusers who are not progamers.
I'd be willing to wager that if you took statistics of abusive spouses the gamers would probably have a lower percentage of offenders than people with other hobbies/interests. Gamers are known to have fits of rage in front of computers but that would indicate that they are getting an outlet for that rage. I've never ever heard of someone beating up on their wife because someone killed their character in world of warcraft or something similar.
and because we are obv so pasty and weak from lack of exercise all spouses can probably beat all gamers up
I think Terranist has a point here, although it is complete silliness to assume it's all Starcraft's fault. By playing the game you don't play vs computers and most of the time is spent with friends. Starcraft is in no way violent enough or graphically sophisticated enough to pose any danger on people's social competence as a game such as GTA might, involving both graphics and clear negligence of moral. I do see how young adults get deprived of much of their social life because of Starcraft, but it is no different than most elite athletes or in some cases hard working students.
i don't think we should blame sc for this. just looking at the diary it sounds like his parents are all kinds of fucked up, it's a miracle yarnc turned out normal if he even did. other gamers who got his kinds of opportunities are generally happy-go-lucky as long as they have supportive parents... most gamers seem pretty happy and well-adjusted, to be honest
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
really really wrong, Abuse in Korea is uncommon in general, and abuse of spouses in united states is largers than almost any country, you can't blame that on video games.
Lets go back to united states in the 50's, before video games and colour TV. Spousal abuse was extremely common and it was almost werid for a hunsband to not beat his wife. This was before video games and such.
having one case of a gamer beating his wife, abeit a well known progamer. Isn't proof. Luxury was ascumbag long before he had a wife or even a girlfriend, you could see that once he did have those things, he was able to let his abusive personality out. Abusive personalities don't come from video games.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
no one forced them to do anything, they did what they had to/wanted to for their dreams. so tired of hearing this kespa slave labor bullshit cuz its not true.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
On August 26 2012 02:06 CrtBalorda wrote: dafaq? Threatening someone wiht acid? How do you threaten someone with acid? How does that work? Cant you use something more efficient instead? Something that might not mess up your house to?
Dont koow how good he was as a pro gamer. Actully I think he was a B teamer. A bit wierd for pro gamers you have heard about to be revealed in such light.
On August 25 2012 13:28 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: source and evidence for the penicillin poison story? lol at a 3 line quote from fomos leading people to call him a murderer and asking why he is still alive. A fucking lynch mop this is, nothing else.
Source for that story, as well as the story of Luxury burying (alive) a dog that belonged to his wife (I assume that's the animal abuse mentioned in the articles of OP) are from Luxury's wife's Cyworld (kinda like Korean Myspace).
On August 24 2012 23:01 marttorn wrote: What?! Luxury?! Acid terror?! What?!
Netizens have posted the ex-gamer's past issues regarding animal abuse as well.
what?! link?
It was mentioned in the article, I do not have the source for that.
On August 24 2012 23:02 ppshchik wrote: Koreans, or East Asians in general, aren't the best husbands when it comes to treating and respecting women.
What the fuck? Nice generalization there.
to be perfectly honest, culture and the way people are brought up in asian countries tend to be not only a little more conservative.
I was told however, that south korea is the one asian country which is the most similar to "western" culture.
shanghai men are probably the best husbands in the world, probably not many cultures even come close to it.
They are slaves to their wives, and culturally taught to do so. Work, cleaning, cooking, child upbringing, laundry, everything will be done by the men while the wife watch drama on TV or go shopping with their friends.
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
A big, fat, yes. Duh!
How old are you?
ITT: People are woefully ignorant wrt psychology.
Because there are like so many other progamers that are turning out like luxary
Really? I was scrolling up to check your post count and was absolutely amazed by it.
Do you genuinely think that people who are deprived of "regular" human interaction and instead are given an RTS to dedicate their life to are somehow handicapped or affected negatively upon the notion of acting as a human being?
A big, fat, yes. Duh!
How old are you?
ITT: People are woefully ignorant wrt psychology.
Because there are like so many other progamers that are turning out like luxary
It's an epidemic sweeping the progaming community!
On August 26 2012 11:32 doothegee wrote: Idiocy, mostly.
Ad hominem.
I am in awe at how emotionally charged and intellectually misplaced these contributions are.
It would be nice if you at least provided some non-anecdotal evidence as proof to your arguments, instead of wildly throwing conjectures around and expecting people to believe you.
On August 26 2012 11:32 doothegee wrote: Idiocy, mostly.
Ad hominem.
I am in awe at how emotionally charged and intellectually misplaced these contributions are.
Ah, the good ol ask someone how old they are in one post, call out ad hominem incorrectly the next maneuver. A bit too basic for my liking but every aspiring troll has to start somewhere.
On August 26 2012 12:37 KamMoye wrote: ITT: The definition of groupthink.
what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Science has proven that mindlessly disagreeing with people does, in fact, make you cooler.
Yes, I have read much on this "hipster effect."
It seems to be running rampant upon quite a few forums.
EDIT: Oh and KamMoye I'm still waiting for you to respond to my PMs. If you're just going to be a troll, then that's cool with me, and completely expected, seeing as how you respond in such stupid ways.
Just don't expect to challenge my concept of psychology without a proper response.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best.
I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best.
I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
Because all you're doing is calling other people stupid.
How about you actually offer a valid response, rather than guerrilla text? Anyway, I'll just write you off as a troll or a mindless psychology freshman: equally useless. Enjoy your short stay at TL. If you want a real argument, maybe you should respond on here or PMs, other than that, no use for me to waste my energy on you.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best.
I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun (without any substantial proof), to which people responded by calling this argument what it is - idiotic.
I fail to see how dismissing intellectually dishonest and, quite frankly, offensive arguments can be considered "impropriety".
But then again, what do I know.
(This post written through Google Monkey-Poop Translate)
Your first post in this thread was heavily implying we should be showing compassion to luxury. You imply because of the strenuous lifestyle as a progamer affects his psychology and has led him to this, essentially bringing in the whole 'Nature vs Nurture' debate by linking his actions to nurture.
On August 26 2012 12:56 NrG.Bamboo wrote: Because all you're doing is calling other people stupid.
Incorrect. You are interpreting my words through your own sphere of perspective. All I have really done, however, is make observations. I have not criticized, impugned or judge any individual. I have merely described the behavior observed in a detached manner.
From my perspective, at least. You are entitled to disagree. I am entitled to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best.
I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
Because I have serious doubts that playing video games turns people into lying, animal abusing, wife beating, cheating parasitic people, and if you really want to argue that it does you're going to have to show some evidence.
On August 26 2012 12:56 doothegee wrote: Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun (without any substantial proof), to which people responded by calling this argument what it is - idiotic.
Is that really what "someone" said? Or was that your interpretation? Quote his post.
On August 26 2012 12:56 NrG.Bamboo wrote: Because all you're doing is calling other people stupid.
Incorrect. You are interpreting my words through your own sphere of perspective. All I have really done, however, is make observations. I have not criticized, impugned or judge any individual. I have merely described the behavior observed in a detached manner.
From my perspective, at least. You are entitled to disagree. I am entitled to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
True, I am definitely interpreting your words through my own perspective, which does mask the original meaning. However, the fact that you have PMd me 2 or 3 times by completely dodging all of my questions, I will just continue to write you off as a troll. Talk to me when you grow up a little bit
Or at least after you take a few more psychology courses.
On August 26 2012 12:57 Dakkas wrote: Your first post in this thread was heavily implying we should be showing compassion to luxury. You imply because of the strenuous lifestyle as a progamer affects his psychology and has led him to this, essentially bringing in the whole 'Nature vs Nurture' debate by linking his actions to nurture.
On August 26 2012 12:56 doothegee wrote: Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun (without any substantial proof), to which people responded by calling this argument what it is - idiotic.
Is that really what "someone" said? Or was that your interpretation? Quote his post.
I don't know why I'm wasting my time with you, but here you go:
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Then again, I saw that you wrote this:
On August 25 2012 23:50 KamMoye wrote: This thread is a great example of how out-of-touch this generation is with compassion.
Would you prefer to be called a troll or just ignorant?
On August 26 2012 11:28 bo1b wrote: Why are people even arguing that a video game made luxury a sociopath?
Strawman.
No, that's really what Terranist said. It seems like an honest representation of his position to me.
On August 26 2012 04:33 Terranist wrote: you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
On August 26 2012 11:32 doothegee wrote: Idiocy, mostly.
Ad hominem.
No, ad hominem is a fallacy of relevance. That means you introduce some irrelevant information about people into the discussion to act like it makes your conclusion correct. But in this case, it was taken as a foregone conclusion that video games have nothing to do with what Luxury has done. The seemingly dyslogistic "idiocy" is actually attempting to answer a different question.
On August 26 2012 11:28 bo1b wrote: Why are people even arguing that a video game made luxury a sociopath?
So idiocy is very relevant to the question of what would motivate someone to say that.
I am in awe at how emotionally charged and intellectually misplaced these contributions are.
No kidding, we should all hold ourselves to your standards of meticulous posting.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
Fallacies are explicitly in the realm of logos. If you're complaining about fallacious argumentation when you didn't even have an argument, you've committed a category error for the gratification of your own ego (presumably everyone will be impressed by your apparently refuting everyone with one word).
On August 26 2012 12:37 KamMoye wrote: ITT: The definition of groupthink.
Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun
does not equal
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman.
When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy.
Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation.
Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought.
Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman.
When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy.
Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation.
Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought.
Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote: what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses
Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety?
The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best.
I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
Dude, this guy and his mom abused his disabled wife horribly. She was abused verbally and physically for extended periods of time. Monsters like that deserve the "burn him at the stake" mentality. If you don't give enough of a shit about stuff like this to get pissed, then either you've been watching too much news, or you're seriously fucked in the head. Or a troll. Probably a troll. But there is a time and place for trolling, and trolling shit like this is being a shameless jackass moreso than anything else. If I were to bust into your mom's funeral and start flamewars with the relatives, that wouldn't be cool, would it? Well, neither is this.
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman.
When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy.
Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation.
Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought.
Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun
does not equal
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman.
When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy.
Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation.
Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought.
Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
I actually can't tell if you are being serious.
The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
kammoye is somebody's sociology project, i think. more pessimistically, he might be a complete pseudointellectual who believes that phrases like "sphere of perspective" are meaningful and that "ad hominem" is a good response to someone who is literally asserting that you're retarded.
On August 26 2012 13:31 o[twist] wrote: kammoye is somebody's sociology project, i think. more pessimistically, he might be a complete pseudointellectual who believes that phrases like "sphere of perspective" are meaningful and that "ad hominem" is a good response to someone who is literally asserting that you're retarded.
True story: I fell asleep about four times reading his last post.
Wow what a fucking low-life. For some reason I always disliked him back during his BW career, I guess this just reaffirms those feelings from back then.
On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote: The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
The "evidence" is based on common sense.
To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause.
Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote: The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
The "evidence" is based on common sense.
To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause.
Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
"common sense" isn't actually evidence
what you're saying is "it's hard to make an argument, so i'm just going to call everyone who disagrees with me stupid"
no amount of obnoxious word choice or wikipediaing "logical fallacy" can get you out of that
I don't get why the girl is still staying with him if hes so bad
its quite terrible to say that stuff about your husband if you still made the choice to stick with him. but if you left him why not, unleash hell! it just seems very strange and she probably needs him in some way still, which is sad.
On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote: The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
The "evidence" is based on common sense.
To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause.
Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote: The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
The "evidence" is based on common sense.
To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause.
Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
No, he has admitted to physically abusing a woman that has a serious life long medical issue that causes a lot of pain in itself. For that alone he is an unacceptable person and should have no ones respect. Wouldn't have mattered though. If she went into surgery twice because of his abuse the medical staff at that hospital would be able to detect physical abuse and testify towards it.
On August 27 2012 09:15 renzy wrote: If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Why would love have anything to do with material things? I guess it's just the way you said it. If he loved her he sure wouldn't mind her illness. That's what love is. Maybe we're talking about the same thing here.
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
mmm... no... this is just wrong. it's obvious your perspective is pretty messed up when you use the phrase "get on their high horses" to describe people getting outraged at this. people are "get[ting] on their high horses" when they get outraged at people copying each other's homework, or flirting with strangers while they're in a committed relationship, or doing illegal drugs recreationally, not when they get outraged at people throwing acid in other people's faces and replacing life-saving pills with potentially life-ending ones. some outrage is justified - when people do really, really wrong shit. this is an example of that
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
it's not just her word against his. he admitted to having abused his wife. that isn't enough for you?
How disgraceful. To think someone would go through that much to avoid a mandatory service and take it out on someone else. He deserves to burn in hell.
On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
Why the hell would I need to read about it when I was here when it happened? It was a minor case of fraud as a single individual--- the collection of organized fraud had a greater impact than the moral severity of the actions as it called into question the integrity of the business. That doesnt increase its immorality or some nonsense. Luxury made like a couple grand off of matchfixing. Honestly, not something I'm gonna spend my day ranting about the evils of.
On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
Yeah, no... You're just making a mountain out of a molehill. You're acting like the people involved in the scandal deserve to be put on death row.
Matchfixing kills the integrity of competition. The fact that it was a whole bunch of progamers, including big names such as sAvior and Luxury (MSL champ) just made it even worse. For an upstart (relatively, compared to soccer and baseball) "sport", it's a stain that's almost permanent. It's not deathrow worthy, but it's definitely a major offense. Perhaps it may not be a big deal legally, but in terms of the damage, it's a class-A felony.
Back on topic, man, Luxury's really messed up eh? Idk why YellOw[Arnc] and him are so different...
I truly believe that what ever crime a person does against anyone , should in return be done to them back. That being said I would like to threaten this piece of shit with acid and torture him until he is unrecognizable. I can't stand people who use animal cruelty as a way to deal with their shit life. Not to mention what he has done to his wife. What the fuck is wrong with this animal. Is it possible to create a field for torture of criminals , and place my self in the highest position? Maybe if I join the C.I.A or something I can get my hands on animals like these. But in reality joining the C.I.A would mean working against my own interest and ruining the world around me for elitist goals. I rather not be involved in overthrowing governments around the world and trafficking drugs and weapons. I am done here , before I go on a 9 page rant of how fucked up this world is , provided with facts.
I just want to add , how in the fuck are people commenting about the fixing of kespa matches . Some guy from Japan commenting about the fixing of matches and what should be done to him for that. Are you serious kid from Japan? I know you are fucked up when you comment on the fixing of matches while you see what this guy has done to animals in the past and to his wife recently. You know you play to much fucking games when all you care about is his stupid participation of fixing matches. "Not death row worthy" this guy says. You sir , are fucked in the head.
On August 29 2012 01:59 Green Sun s Zenith wrote: I truly believe that what ever crime a person does against anyone , should in return be done to them back. That being said I would like to threaten this piece of shit with acid and torture him until he is unrecognizable. I can't stand people who use animal cruelty as a way to deal with their shit life. Not to mention what he has done to his wife. What the fuck is wrong with this animal. Is it possible to create a field for torture of criminals , and place my self in the highest position? Maybe if I join the C.I.A or something I can get my hands on animals like these. But in reality joining the C.I.A would mean working against my own interest and ruining the world around me for elitist goals. I rather not be involved in overthrowing governments around the world and trafficking drugs and weapons. I am done here , before I go on a 9 page rant of how fucked up this world is , provided with facts.
I just want to add , how in the fuck are people commenting about the fixing of kespa matches . Some guy from Japan commenting about the fixing of matches and what should be done to him for that. Are you serious kid from Japan? I know you are fucked up when you comment on the fixing of matches while you see what this guy has done to animals in the past and to his wife recently. You know you play to much fucking games when all you care about is his stupid participation of fixing matches. "Not death row worthy" this guy says. You sir , are fucked in the head.
With your extremely awful moral viewpoints the cycle of hate and hurt continues. What does torturing this guy really achieve other than YOUR sick pleasure? You're disgusting.
Must suck for Yarnc to have a brother that is so morally corrupt, let alone being a twin... Conscription isn't that of a big deal, the things that people do just to avoid baffles me.
I can't find a word to drescribe this fucking trash behavior,why he exist in this world ... feel sad for the wife ,I hope she get well soon and met a better man.
On August 29 2012 01:59 Green Sun s Zenith wrote: I truly believe that what ever crime a person does against anyone , should in return be done to them back. That being said I would like to threaten this piece of shit with acid and torture him until he is unrecognizable. I can't stand people who use animal cruelty as a way to deal with their shit life. Not to mention what he has done to his wife. What the fuck is wrong with this animal. Is it possible to create a field for torture of criminals , and place my self in the highest position? Maybe if I join the C.I.A or something I can get my hands on animals like these. But in reality joining the C.I.A would mean working against my own interest and ruining the world around me for elitist goals. I rather not be involved in overthrowing governments around the world and trafficking drugs and weapons. I am done here , before I go on a 9 page rant of how fucked up this world is , provided with facts.
I just want to add , how in the fuck are people commenting about the fixing of kespa matches . Some guy from Japan commenting about the fixing of matches and what should be done to him for that. Are you serious kid from Japan? I know you are fucked up when you comment on the fixing of matches while you see what this guy has done to animals in the past and to his wife recently. You know you play to much fucking games when all you care about is his stupid participation of fixing matches. "Not death row worthy" this guy says. You sir , are fucked in the head.
On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:
On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did.
Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person.
With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service.
If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love?
Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
That's not the issue.
The issue is that people are jumping on the fact that matchfixing somehow makes your more liable to A) not love handicapped people and B) more likely to abuse your spouse.
Both of those are so ridiculous it's insane. In terms of the immorality of it, it's relatively minor compared to say THREATENING YOUR WIFE WITH ACID. The difference between someone who can commit a violent crime and those who cannot has little to do about their capability to commit fraud. There is valley there between the required immorality.
I always knew Luxury was a dick I just wasn't aware he was borderline psychopath.
I'm surprised at the general consensus of people here. Everybody knows already that he's guilty and what punishment he should receive! How about we let the justice do its job?
I haven't seen a word from the other side of the coin. All the judgements are done based on his wife's diary. I think maybe somebody wants to ask Luxury as well about the situation? Life in marriage is not always honey and sugar.
Not really anything substantial to argue about. Her dairy entry is nothing I would base judgement on. If it was Luxury telling his story it might just as well be a wife marrying for money then framing her husband. If the allegations are true- well, with so many (korean) progamers out there there's bound to be some serious assholes among them. Chill out kids.
Well, its not because you are famous or a pro gamer that you cant be a bad person. It may seem as a surprise to some, but this stuff happens all the time, whether both with famous or non famous people. ofc assuming it is true, but even if it werent true there are still plenty of other cases. Even on this very website there are bound to be some bad apples who treat others badly. I think anyone can simply understand that thats just the way it is, how unfortunate it may be, but there is no reason to accept this kind of behaviour, no matter who the person that conducts this behaviour might be.
On October 09 2012 01:23 Monsen wrote: Not really anything substantial to argue about. Her dairy entry is nothing I would base judgement on. If it was Luxury telling his story it might just as well be a wife marrying for money then framing her husband. If the allegations are true- well, with so many (korean) progamers out there there's bound to be some serious assholes among them. Chill out kids.
He has already admitted to abusing her - even his account of events includes him abusing her. That lends enough credibility to her account of events that it is not unreasonable to base judgement on it.
I'm sorry, but that guy is a piece of shit. Domestic abuse is something I find no tolerance for at all. Home is the one place you should always count on to be a comforting and safe place. Not only does he abuse her, but he fucking married her to dodge mandatory military training? I sincerely hope his wife gets separation as soon as possible and takes this asshole to court. His mom also sounds like the typical ignorant mother-in-law.
On October 09 2012 11:44 EienShinwa wrote: I'm sorry, but that guy is a piece of shit. Domestic abuse is something I find no tolerance for at all. Home is the one place you should always count on to be a comforting and safe place. Not only does he abuse her, but he fucking married her to dodge mandatory military training? I sincerely hope his wife gets separation as soon as possible and takes this asshole to court. His mom also sounds like the typical ignorant mother-in-law.
Agreed. I despise people who make excuses for their relatives or friends. An unjust action is unjust regardless of who does it.
This is horrible I didn't join the scene during this time so didn't know much about Luxury but this is just sad...I mean I still respect sAviOr a lot because of Ver's editorials but reading this I just can't muster any sympathy for luxury looks like the match fixing scandal wasn't just a one time thing but rather just him be who he is
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
The criminal law doesn't stop crime only punishes crime after it has done and with that being said I think it really differs on which state they prefer the length of redemption are to be given for example in australia they are cases where murderers are expected to ask forgiveness from the family members that they have murdered and by doing this they hope the person who committed the crime will repent and feel remorse and guilt over the crimes they have committed . This is also called as restorative justice further explain in this link http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/11/28/road-to-redemption/ where we don't throw person behind the bars of a cell and lock him forever without giving a chance for "redemption".
I am not sure about korean law and what is the social norm and response for this kind of situation for wife abuse and the repercussion for committing this crimes. Although on further reflection, I think people can be divided on how much chance can we give to the people who commit the crime some prefer them to be punishable for live and branded as criminal for the things that they have committed and some are liberal and agreeable to a restoration some kind of a second chance for this people to be normal law abiding citizen .
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
I think he was given a chance but unlike his brother he didn't take it and instead kept dodging his military service and abusing his sick wife and in-laws. Except for the acid thing, which he denied, treating your wife like shit is not illegal and the justice system may never do anything about it, which is probably the very reason the wife felt that she needed to go public with her story.
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
trust me he is fucked. no one likes a draft dodger and ESPECIALLY no one likes a wife abuser. He is fucked. Younger soldiers are going to give him hell. Good, he fucking deserves it. Who the fuck hurts their wife.
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
The criminal law doesn't stop crime only punishes crime after it has done and with that being said I think it really differs on which state they prefer the length of redemption are to be given for example in australia they are cases where murderers are expected to ask forgiveness from the family members that they have murdered and by doing this they hope the person who committed the crime will repent and feel remorse and guilt over the crimes they have committed . This is also called as restorative justice further explain in this link http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/11/28/road-to-redemption/ where we don't throw person behind the bars of a cell and lock him forever without giving a chance for "redemption".
I am not sure about korean law and what is the social norm and response for this kind of situation for wife abuse and the repercussion for committing this crimes. Although on further reflection, I think people can be divided on how much chance can we give to the people who commit the crime some prefer them to be punishable for live and branded as criminal for the things that they have committed and some are liberal and agreeable to a restoration some kind of a second chance for this people to be normal law abiding citizen .
Why are you replying this to me when the previous post is suggesting illegal vigilante justice?
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
I think he was given a chance but unlike his brother he didn't take it and instead kept dodging his military service and abusing his sick wife and in-laws. Except for the acid thing, which he denied, treating your wife like shit is not illegal and the justice system may never do anything about it, which is probably the very reason the wife felt that she needed to go public with her story.
So what does getting beat up in the military accomplish? If anything that just gives him an even more twisted view of the world if it's done with out rationality, and makes him a even bigger liability to society.
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
The criminal law doesn't stop crime only punishes crime after it has done and with that being said I think it really differs on which state they prefer the length of redemption are to be given for example in australia they are cases where murderers are expected to ask forgiveness from the family members that they have murdered and by doing this they hope the person who committed the crime will repent and feel remorse and guilt over the crimes they have committed . This is also called as restorative justice further explain in this link http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/11/28/road-to-redemption/ where we don't throw person behind the bars of a cell and lock him forever without giving a chance for "redemption".
I am not sure about korean law and what is the social norm and response for this kind of situation for wife abuse and the repercussion for committing this crimes. Although on further reflection, I think people can be divided on how much chance can we give to the people who commit the crime some prefer them to be punishable for live and branded as criminal for the things that they have committed and some are liberal and agreeable to a restoration some kind of a second chance for this people to be normal law abiding citizen .
Why are you replying this to me when the previous post is suggesting illegal vigilante justice?
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
I think he was given a chance but unlike his brother he didn't take it and instead kept dodging his military service and abusing his sick wife and in-laws. Except for the acid thing, which he denied, treating your wife like shit is not illegal and the justice system may never do anything about it, which is probably the very reason the wife felt that she needed to go public with her story.
So what does getting beat up in the military accomplish? If anything that just gives him an even more twisted view of the world if it's done with out rationality, and makes him a even bigger liability to society.
How does the previous post suggest illegal vigilante justice ? when you are questioning people reaction to luxury crimes ? and saying there is no hope of redemption for this kind of cases ? . My purpose of suggesting that there exist redemption however it really depends on the law of that country and how justice is actually perceived by the people of korea there .
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
trust me he is fucked. no one likes a draft dodger and ESPECIALLY no one likes a wife abuser. He is fucked. Younger soldiers are going to give him hell. Good, he fucking deserves it. Who the fuck hurts their wife.
Unfortunatelly too many... Only thing we can do is set a good example for our kids.
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
The criminal law doesn't stop crime only punishes crime after it has done and with that being said I think it really differs on which state they prefer the length of redemption are to be given for example in australia they are cases where murderers are expected to ask forgiveness from the family members that they have murdered and by doing this they hope the person who committed the crime will repent and feel remorse and guilt over the crimes they have committed . This is also called as restorative justice further explain in this link http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/11/28/road-to-redemption/ where we don't throw person behind the bars of a cell and lock him forever without giving a chance for "redemption".
I am not sure about korean law and what is the social norm and response for this kind of situation for wife abuse and the repercussion for committing this crimes. Although on further reflection, I think people can be divided on how much chance can we give to the people who commit the crime some prefer them to be punishable for live and branded as criminal for the things that they have committed and some are liberal and agreeable to a restoration some kind of a second chance for this people to be normal law abiding citizen .
Why are you replying this to me when the previous post is suggesting illegal vigilante justice?
On May 10 2013 16:05 endy wrote:
On May 10 2013 15:41 Caihead wrote:
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
I think he was given a chance but unlike his brother he didn't take it and instead kept dodging his military service and abusing his sick wife and in-laws. Except for the acid thing, which he denied, treating your wife like shit is not illegal and the justice system may never do anything about it, which is probably the very reason the wife felt that she needed to go public with her story.
So what does getting beat up in the military accomplish? If anything that just gives him an even more twisted view of the world if it's done with out rationality, and makes him a even bigger liability to society.
How does the previous post suggest illegal vigilante justice ? when you are questioning people reaction to luxury crimes ? and saying there is no hope of redemption for this kind of cases ? . My purpose of suggesting that there exist redemption however it really depends on the law of that country and how justice is actually perceived by the people of korea there .
... My post was sarcastic, endy basically implied that the people in the army would beat him up or treat him badly because of his reputation. I'm saying that type of attitude is incorrect and that redemption is possible for any person. It's perfectly natural for people to be outraged about luxury's actions, I'm fucking pissed off about it more so than alot of people. But wishing him harm and for "people to make him pay" isn't going to help anything. You beat up a bully, he either gets in a regressed slump and gets unproductive or gets more vengeful and hurt even more people. People in Asia know this perfectly well.
i also wanted to point out that this Yellow is YellOw[ArnC], which is Luxury's brother. the Storm Zerg [NC]..YellOw is a different person who has nothing to do with this.
On May 10 2013 17:44 Bakuryu wrote: i also wanted to point out that this Yellow is YellOw[ArnC], which is Luxury's brother. the Storm Zerg [NC]..YellOw is a different person who has nothing to do with this.
People should just call him YARNC like the good old days.
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
The criminal law doesn't stop crime only punishes crime after it has done and with that being said I think it really differs on which state they prefer the length of redemption are to be given for example in australia they are cases where murderers are expected to ask forgiveness from the family members that they have murdered and by doing this they hope the person who committed the crime will repent and feel remorse and guilt over the crimes they have committed . This is also called as restorative justice further explain in this link http://www.oneperth.com.au/2012/11/28/road-to-redemption/ where we don't throw person behind the bars of a cell and lock him forever without giving a chance for "redemption".
I am not sure about korean law and what is the social norm and response for this kind of situation for wife abuse and the repercussion for committing this crimes. Although on further reflection, I think people can be divided on how much chance can we give to the people who commit the crime some prefer them to be punishable for live and branded as criminal for the things that they have committed and some are liberal and agreeable to a restoration some kind of a second chance for this people to be normal law abiding citizen .
Why are you replying this to me when the previous post is suggesting illegal vigilante justice?
On May 10 2013 16:05 endy wrote:
On May 10 2013 15:41 Caihead wrote:
On May 10 2013 15:12 endy wrote: He'll have to go to the army sooner or later, and hopefully people there will make him pay for his actions.
Why even have a justice system when we condemn everyone with no hope of redemption, right?
I think he was given a chance but unlike his brother he didn't take it and instead kept dodging his military service and abusing his sick wife and in-laws. Except for the acid thing, which he denied, treating your wife like shit is not illegal and the justice system may never do anything about it, which is probably the very reason the wife felt that she needed to go public with her story.
So what does getting beat up in the military accomplish? If anything that just gives him an even more twisted view of the world if it's done with out rationality, and makes him a even bigger liability to society.
How does the previous post suggest illegal vigilante justice ? when you are questioning people reaction to luxury crimes ? and saying there is no hope of redemption for this kind of cases ? . My purpose of suggesting that there exist redemption however it really depends on the law of that country and how justice is actually perceived by the people of korea there .
... My post was sarcastic, endy basically implied that the people in the army would beat him up or treat him badly because of his reputation. I'm saying that type of attitude is incorrect and that redemption is possible for any person. It's perfectly natural for people to be outraged about luxury's actions, I'm fucking pissed off about it more so than alot of people. But wishing him harm and for "people to make him pay" isn't going to help anything. You beat up a bully, he either gets in a regressed slump and gets unproductive or gets more vengeful and hurt even more people. People in Asia know this perfectly well.
Meh I just meant that the wife likely went public with her story because the justice would not do much. I wish he goes to the military soon so that the wife will get a break for a least a year and half, maybe she'll be able to get a divorce without Luxury on her back.
Of course, ideally we all prefer a good justice system, but right now I'd much rather see him getting beaten up in the army than being around his wife and stealing his brother.
On May 10 2013 17:44 Bakuryu wrote: i also wanted to point out that this Yellow is YellOw[ArnC], which is Luxury's brother. the Storm Zerg [NC]..YellOw is a different person who has nothing to do with this.
People should just call him YARNC like the good old days.
On May 10 2013 13:55 EvilTeletubby wrote: Nice bump. I missed this thread originally. What the fuck.
Yeah it's really messed up. And Yellow went into the Army immediately for anyone wondering about that too. He should be done soon.
If he went immediately after he is out already.
Yeah, I'm not sure how fast he was allowed in. I know the he had to deal with the court cases of the scandal but you are right I think that he was able to enlist pretty quickly so he should be out.
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