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On August 27 2012 10:45 SeeKeR wrote:
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Luxury... wtf is wrong with you? You were becoming such a big iconic player before the whole match scandal thing. And now this?
Are you TRYING to tarnish every single bit of your reputation?
I think he alrdy crossed that line and then some..
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Soon to have a new nick - Prison Zerg!
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On August 27 2012 22:54 radadaundandan wrote:
Soon to have a new nick - Prison Zerg!
Dexter Zerg.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51289 Posts
On August 27 2012 23:43 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 22:54 radadaundandan wrote:
Soon to have a new nick - Prison Zerg! Dexter Zerg.
he threatened to pour acid on his wife... its quite obvious that he is The Zerg...
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wow this is just....wow....kinda sad to see how low he has fallen....the dude was a MSL champ and WCG champ after all....
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Woah, this is freakin nuts. Never expected this from a korean progamer, and luxury on top of this. I used to like him ><
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Is it that hard to get a divorce in Korea? I mean can't she just get a lawyer and file a divorce case?
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On August 28 2012 00:47 pred470r wrote:
Is it that hard to get a divorce in Korea? I mean can't she just get a lawyer and file a divorce case?
She said she "used to call him her husband through all of it" which implies that she no longer does.
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sometimes it's interesting to learn about the lives of progamers outside of gaming. this, on the other hand, is terrible news.. sigh
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Calgary26003 Posts
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Wowo. I still remember watching him play..
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On August 27 2012 09:15 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong. i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him Well, world is usually not black and white. Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about. But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful? Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this. I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did. Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person. With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service. If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love? Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
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On August 28 2012 02:14 whatevername wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:15 renzy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong. i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him Well, world is usually not black and white. Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about. But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful? Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this. I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did. Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person. With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service. If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love? Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped.
Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
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On August 28 2012 02:19 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:14 whatevername wrote:On August 27 2012 09:15 renzy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong. i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him Well, world is usually not black and white. Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about. But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful? Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this. I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did. Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person. With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service. If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love? Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped. Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud. Why the hell would I need to read about it when I was here when it happened? It was a minor case of fraud as a single individual--- the collection of organized fraud had a greater impact than the moral severity of the actions as it called into question the integrity of the business. That doesnt increase its immorality or some nonsense. Luxury made like a couple grand off of matchfixing. Honestly, not something I'm gonna spend my day ranting about the evils of.
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If you take things that Korean netizens say at full value all the time, then all you're going to be is a hysterical and self-righteous reactionary.
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If only a quarter of this shit is true.... god damnit. Never thought that BW pros could be criminals. Just another fairytale gone - Santa, why???
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On August 28 2012 02:19 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:14 whatevername wrote:On August 27 2012 09:15 renzy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong. i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him Well, world is usually not black and white. Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about. But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful? Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this. I think that getting as much information as you can before making any judgement is great. However, that information/motives can be hypothesized given a certain amount of facts. We don't always need people to explicitly state it to know what they're thinking or why they did what they did. Here are the facts: We know of Luxury's previous bad deed (match fixing). We know he was going to enter the military after being banned from progaming. He has gotten a letter from DoD saying that he does not have to do his military service (something along that line), meaning he does not want to do his military service. He married someone with an autoimmune disorder (basically a handicapped person) but has then abused her (this is a fact because Luxury has admitted this). His wife had to have surgery twice because of her condition and he had a toe infection from wearing shoes that are too small (this is also a fact from his wife's blog, I'm not including the motives/causes because they are opinions). In Korea, one could possibly avoid military service if they need to be home to take care of an ill person. With only this much information and ignoring everything that might contain an opinion, I think it is extremely likely that the one conclusion we can get out of this is that Luxury married his wife for another reason aside from/besides love, and that is to possibly evade military service. Because his plans didn't work, he takes his anger out on his wife, whose "job" was to help him evade military work. In my books, he's already a douche bag for doing this, because a good person would not use someone's love to help themselves evade military service. If you're still skeptical, step back for a moment and think about it. Would someone who threw matches for money and almost killed eSports marry a person, who is basically handicapped for the rest of their lives, out of love? Ummm TL really overblows the immorality of match fixing. It's a minor case of fraud, and yes I do think its quite possible that someone who engages in fraud also can love the handicapped. Minor case of fraud? MINOR? They almost tore the entire scene down and you call it minor? Go and learn more about the match fixing and the consequences and reactions by people in Korea before you call it a minor case of fraud.
Yeah, no... You're just making a mountain out of a molehill. You're acting like the people involved in the scandal deserve to be put on death row.
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Not even sure what to say...I somehow missed this until today...wtf luxury? I used to like him 
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So what relation does this have to playing computer games?
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i always hated the guy...
now i have a reason too
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