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Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun
does not equal
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman.
When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy.
Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation.
Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought.
Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
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EDIT2: misthought: Drunk as fuck ;p
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On August 26 2012 13:14 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun does not equal Show nested quote +
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman. When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy. Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation. Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought. Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
Strawman. <3
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On August 26 2012 12:52 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 12:43 o[twist] wrote:
what exactly was your argument to which people offered fallacious responses Why do I need to specify an argument to call out impropriety? The vast majority of the posters in this thread are simply behaving like savage beasts. It's implicitly "okay" because the "culture" of this thread allows it. Logically, however, it is specious at best. I counted what, three posts/sentiments that disagreed with the "burn him at the stake!" mentality. What were the responses to those three sentiments? Monkeys flinging poop. Insults. Ganging up. Absurdity.
Dude, this guy and his mom abused his disabled wife horribly. She was abused verbally and physically for extended periods of time. Monsters like that deserve the "burn him at the stake" mentality.
If you don't give enough of a shit about stuff like this to get pissed, then either you've been watching too much news, or you're seriously fucked in the head.
Or a troll. Probably a troll. But there is a time and place for trolling, and trolling shit like this is being a shameless jackass moreso than anything else.
If I were to bust into your mom's funeral and start flamewars with the relatives, that wouldn't be cool, would it? Well, neither is this.
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On August 26 2012 13:14 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun does not equal Show nested quote +
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman. When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy. Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation. Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought. Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow.
I actually can't tell if you are being serious.
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On August 26 2012 13:28 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:14 KamMoye wrote:Someone said that video games cause people to throw acid in other people's faces and murder animals for fun does not equal
you people don't like to hear it, but these are the dangers of socially depriving young adults and making them play a violent game for 12 hours a day during a crucial development stage of life.
Rather than debate the (presumed, of course) intent of the poster's message with temerity, you twisted it into your own interpretation and attack said strawman. When I read that quote the poster's point comes across loud and clear: there is a degree of danger of creating this evolutionarily unnatural environment for StarCraft. Most willfully suspend disbelief in the midst of what we call entertainment, but that does not mean the environment is healthy. Heck, just think about what Brood War is: war simulation. Terranist's post was a beacon of light that could've been used as a great jumping off point to analyze this hobby we love with intellectual integrity. Instead you chose to continue the pattern you've displayed throughout this thread: relentless, judgmental attack. Which, coincidentally enough, only serves as circumstantial evidence towards Terranist's food for thought. Since Brood War is over for the night, so am I. It is past my bed time. I will be glad to continue this tomorrow. I actually can't tell if you are being serious.
The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
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kammoye is somebody's sociology project, i think. more pessimistically, he might be a complete pseudointellectual who believes that phrases like "sphere of perspective" are meaningful and that "ad hominem" is a good response to someone who is literally asserting that you're retarded.
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On August 26 2012 13:31 o[twist] wrote:
kammoye is somebody's sociology project, i think. more pessimistically, he might be a complete pseudointellectual who believes that phrases like "sphere of perspective" are meaningful and that "ad hominem" is a good response to someone who is literally asserting that you're retarded.
True story: I fell asleep about four times reading his last post.
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Fuck you luxury, terrible person
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what the hell!? match fixing is one thing, but abusing your wife like that is a whole new level.
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Wow what a fucking low-life. For some reason I always disliked him back during his BW career, I guess this just reaffirms those feelings from back then.
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Oh, what the fuck. Luxury you sad piece of shit.
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On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote:
The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath.
The "evidence" is based on common sense.
To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause.
Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
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On August 27 2012 05:09 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote:
The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath. The "evidence" is based on common sense. To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause. Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
"common sense" isn't actually evidence
what you're saying is "it's hard to make an argument, so i'm just going to call everyone who disagrees with me stupid"
no amount of obnoxious word choice or wikipediaing "logical fallacy" can get you out of that
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I don't get why the girl is still staying with him if hes so bad
its quite terrible to say that stuff about your husband if you still made the choice to stick with him. but if you left him why not, unleash hell! it just seems very strange and she probably needs him in some way still, which is sad.
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On August 27 2012 05:09 KamMoye wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 13:29 doothegee wrote:
The "beacon of light" part inclines me to believe that he isn't.
But no, let's continue to believe that Starcraft (or "war simulation", if you would prefer) leads people to do erratic, violent things, based on the vast pool of evidence that consists of one isolated incident, namely the actions of a sociopath. The "evidence" is based on common sense. To scientifically "prove" it would be an uphill battle because it would be extremely hard to control for. There is so much violence in music, television, movies, and the Internet (as this thread is an archetypal example of) that you can't isolate just one and say that's the cause. Which is why it is convenient for your argument to do so. Unfortunately that is not, and has never been, my point.
[Citation Needed]
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Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
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On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong.
i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well
people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
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On August 27 2012 07:21 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Seriously, nobody has a clue about this whole story. It looks nasty, but it would be honest to admit that none of us knows anything about it, that the source is uncertain at best, and that we have the girl's version (rewritten in a sensationalistic way?) and that's it.
I know many couple that went badly and where one side of the story sounds horrible. Then you hear the other side and things get a bot more complex.
Well I guess people love to judge. It doesn't cost anything even when you are wrong. i think most would agree that if somebody is making this up and it's not true, that person is pretty awful as well people don't always have a great sense of this kind of thing but i think it's not bad. nobody would believe it if stork's girlfriend came out with these sorts of accusations, but with luxury's wife, well, somehow there's a lot of credulity. do you think maybe that might have something to do with whether or not they present themselves as actually good people? i think it might. regardless, if the stories are proven to be false, it'll be the wife that's terrible, not him
Well, world is usually not black and white.
Maybe Luxury is the monster described in this article, maybe his girlfriend is an awful liar, maybe they are just both lame. We don't know. And seriously, we are not Korean justice, so we shouldn't care. I'ma bit skeptical about people getting on their high horses and start throwing insults when they have no idea what they are talking about.
But as I said, we all feel better when we say that someone is terrible. And when we happen to be wrong, we are not the one being hurt, so why being any careful?
Sarcasm apart, this gossipy ambiance is not doing any good to anybody. And certainly not to esports in general; I know netizens love scandals, but it should be fomos responsibility to be a little careful before destroying a bit more people's reputation. I call that a public lynchage. I guess it should be left to the Sun, to Bild, to Fox News and other crap medias. Esports deserves better than this.
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