Basiclly, my main computer died a few weeks back (It was during exams so didnt really think to much about it then ) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem... My Old Computer isnt good enough to run SC2 with enough FPS for it to be viable in online games (i would get smashed more than usual) so my question to you people in the BW section, is 1) is it worth it downloading BW 2) What should i do before i play any games 3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ?
Big thank you
Updating OP with info to help people like myself who want to get into this game :D
On August 14 2012 08:11 pigmanbear wrote: SC:BW is free if you just want to play on ICCup. You need a real copy just for the campaign. Go to http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html and follow the instructions (the version from the FTP seems to come with the antihack and everything so I didn't need to do anything for step 2).
On August 14 2012 08:22 CaucasianAsian wrote: What should you do before you play any games?
-Remember that just because you could get to X rank in Star2 doesn't mean you will be able to beat a single person on ICCUP for ~50 games. It's a REALLY tough game. Be cautious that you'll lose a lot of games at first. .
Already found this to be completely true :D God i hate mutalisks
On August 14 2012 09:02 EchOne wrote: For videos you can search for commentated FPVODs by Chill, Nony, Ahzz, Stylish, Oystein and others. You can just google "Name FPVOD" and get some helpful hits.
My recommendations for pre-playing:
1.) Find a friend or more online or otherwise to play with and talk to. Try searching for sGs on Teamliquid. 2.) Get hype. Watch things like Pimpest Plays, highlights of your favorite progamers, highlights of leagues, etc. to get your blood pumping. See NaDa kill Chojja with 1 vulture, Perfectman kill Iris with 1 reaver, Nony kill Idra with 1 probe.
For good games you can use Teamliquid search: "best games" in Brood War forum to find threads.
Helpfull info:
On August 14 2012 20:50 BlindKill wrote: you should join sGs, thats where all us noobs hang out. Most of us are like D- to D+ so its about your skill level
For Windows 7 users (like myself) Run this file before you start BW it will fix the colour issues you get because of Windows 7:
1) YES. 2) If you have the full game, the campaign is a lot of fun. You can play vs. computer too. You can purchase SC+BW battle chest for ~$20US still if you do want the official copy. Coming from SC2 to BW (having only played BW for fun yeearrrrs ago) I found the mechanics very different and I couldn't really give my opponent a good game in 1v1, so I just kept playing vs. the AI (which is awful, btw) until I felt comfortable doing the basics (scouting, controlling my units, in the case of zerg, having a key per hatchery, following a basic build order). I'm still very new so this is just advice from my personal experience. Then you probably want to get some D/D- practice partners and play a bunch of games before you ladder on ICCup. 3) SC:BW is free if you just want to play on ICCup. You need a real copy just for the campaign. Go to http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html and follow the instructions (the version from the FTP seems to come with the antihack and everything so I didn't need to do anything for step 2).
-I think every competitive starcraft gamer, or member who joined before 2010 will have to say that it is definitely worth playing. After all, if BW wasn't any good, SC2 wouldn't have been the most hyped RTS game of all time.
What should you do before you play any games?
-Remember that just because you could get to X rank in Star2 doesn't mean you will be able to beat a single person on ICCUP for ~50 games. It's a REALLY tough game. Be cautious that you'll lose a lot of games at first.
Are there any other specific things before you play?
-as pigmanbear said above, iccup you can just follow the link. For fish server, go to www.fishbattle.net this is where the most competitive players go, and they use their own launcher which is some variation of Aqua Launcher, Mini Launcher, or w-launcher.
I agree with the posts above, and I want to add that in order to host a game on ICC you need to port forward, but even if you don't you can still join games.
Well im like you and I got into the scene from sc2 only last year. The game just gets better the more I play it. Join some low level clans. There's also a team league and individual tournament held just for D rank players. The game is absolutely worth playing!
On August 14 2012 08:22 CaucasianAsian wrote: Is BW worth playing?
-I think every competitive starcraft gamer, or member who joined before 2010 will have to say that it is definitely worth playing. After all, if BW wasn't any good, SC2 wouldn't have been the most hyped RTS game of all time.
What should you do before you play any games?
-Remember that just because you could get to X rank in Star2 doesn't mean you will be able to beat a single person on ICCUP for ~50 games. It's a REALLY tough game. Be cautious that you'll lose a lot of games at first.
Are there any other specific things before you play?
-as pigmanbear said above, iccup you can just follow the link. For fish server, go to www.fishbattle.net this is where the most competitive players go, and they use their own launcher which is some variation of Aqua Launcher, Mini Launcher, or w-launcher.
Thank you both for your replys but yeah, i only really discovered SC2 in mid 2011, and was far to young to actually play BW when it came out, so i sort of missed the BW era, and i know how hard it is, and im not expecting to win, i just want a game to play thats all :D Should i download the retail copy of BW as well as the ICCUP version?
On August 14 2012 08:22 CaucasianAsian wrote: Is BW worth playing?
-I think every competitive starcraft gamer, or member who joined before 2010 will have to say that it is definitely worth playing. After all, if BW wasn't any good, SC2 wouldn't have been the most hyped RTS game of all time.
What should you do before you play any games?
-Remember that just because you could get to X rank in Star2 doesn't mean you will be able to beat a single person on ICCUP for ~50 games. It's a REALLY tough game. Be cautious that you'll lose a lot of games at first.
Are there any other specific things before you play?
-as pigmanbear said above, iccup you can just follow the link. For fish server, go to www.fishbattle.net this is where the most competitive players go, and they use their own launcher which is some variation of Aqua Launcher, Mini Launcher, or w-launcher.
Thank you both for your replys but yeah, i only really discovered SC2 in mid 2011, and was far to young to actually play BW when it came out, so i sort of missed the BW era, and i know how hard it is, and im not expecting to win, i just want a game to play thats all :D Should i download the retail copy of BW as well as the ICCUP version?
Yesh. If I were you, I would download both. Retail version for campaign ( to get used to basic mechanics like 12 unit selection and etc ) and ICCUP version once you want to play with other people. :O Plus, BW is so easy to pirate these days and takes up very little space too.
On August 14 2012 08:22 CaucasianAsian wrote: Is BW worth playing?
-I think every competitive starcraft gamer, or member who joined before 2010 will have to say that it is definitely worth playing. After all, if BW wasn't any good, SC2 wouldn't have been the most hyped RTS game of all time.
What should you do before you play any games?
-Remember that just because you could get to X rank in Star2 doesn't mean you will be able to beat a single person on ICCUP for ~50 games. It's a REALLY tough game. Be cautious that you'll lose a lot of games at first.
Are there any other specific things before you play?
-as pigmanbear said above, iccup you can just follow the link. For fish server, go to www.fishbattle.net this is where the most competitive players go, and they use their own launcher which is some variation of Aqua Launcher, Mini Launcher, or w-launcher.
Thank you both for your replys but yeah, i only really discovered SC2 in mid 2011, and was far to young to actually play BW when it came out, so i sort of missed the BW era, and i know how hard it is, and im not expecting to win, i just want a game to play thats all :D Should i download the retail copy of BW as well as the ICCUP version?
You really only need the retail for campaign. If you just want to play people on ICCup, use their free version which doesn't include the campaigns.
YES I love this game so much, u must play it. Tho do u have a friend that plays bw? it would nice for him to explain things like worker splitting importance of screen hot keys the fact that u should pick one match up learn the build order and grind it out on iccup till ur confident and ull learn a ton from grinding put the build even if ur only playing on match up on 1 map because it will ultimately help u learn other builds and a way to understand match ups faster. Learning which units perform better vs others and tricks like larvae moving muta stacking patrol micro ect, having someone in person tell u these things while ur playing is a huge help to learning the basics fast which leads to playing more games and fun! :D Goodluck
edit: playing the campaign is not good for learning to play with real players only for knowing the units and what they do or the storyline, both which a friend could just tell u, in a much faster way, ofc don't forget Teamliquid is a friend that plays bw
Also this forum and the BW liquipedia contain much of the information Shock710 is referring to, and you'll often meet people on ICCup (particularly in the channel "op teamliquid") who are willing to help you iron out the wrinkles in your game. You don't really need to worry about things like larvae moving for a while, I think (I have my hands full just keeping up with my macro, but yea, there are lots of micro tricks to use that extra APM once you're comfortable with the basics).
Thank you everyone so much for your replys :D yeah i do have a mate who can help me, but hes not really that good himself :D and thats fine im ok with grinding, however, are there any videos i could check out with will help show me the basics etc? or any videos i should watch that people would recomend ?
On August 14 2012 08:37 Merfyn wrote: Thank you everyone so much for your replys :D yeah i do have a mate who can help me, but hes not really that good himself :D and thats fine im ok with grinding, however, are there any videos i could check out with will help show me the basics etc? or any videos i should watch that people would recomend ?
It would help if you knew what race you want to play, so maybe play around for a while to see what you like. Anyways the old Day9 dailys are pretty good. (but for a total beginner the number 1 rule is: BUILD STUFF!)
I see that you play Protoss, be aware that in Broodwar you can't have custom hotkeys and Protoss hotkeys are a bitch in this game.
Hell, hotkeys for all races can be a bitch if you ain't used to them. Just a heads up, because I've seen a couple of these threads and in the end they are dumping the game because they make pylons and probes on P and can't change that, or that they can't select one probe and shift-add a couple of gateways or whatever.
On August 14 2012 08:43 Gosi wrote: I see that you play Protoss, be aware that in Broodwar you can't have custom hotkeys and Protoss hotkeys are a bitch in this game.
Hell, hotkeys for all races can be a bitch if you ain't used to them. Just a heads up, because I've seen a couple of these threads and in the end they are dumping the game because they make pylons and probes on P and can't change that, or that they can't select one probe and shift-add a couple of gateways or whatever.
Lol :D I dont care about that, for the last month iv been playing WC3, but its not fill the same ich that Starcraft did
1)This is only one of the most legendary games in existence 2) Play vs. a friend or just do 4v4 BGH to learn the basics.
Do not play BW like Starcraft 2 it plays completely different and will take a while to get used to, play with an open mind. Warning: You may get absolutely slaughtered on ICCUP, SC2 rank means nothing I'm masters SC2 but only D on ICCUP. Have fun! Don't get frustrated with the sub-par ai it's what makes the game fun and interesting! Good Luck! Broodwar is an amazing game and im sure you'll enjoy it!
Edit: Watching Pro BW games helps and is also extremely entertaining.
I was thinking to myself that should I start playing and learning BW, but there's not that many people on iCCup and the skill level is so high that I think it would just be a heavy time sink to learn the game. I'll always remember BW as the fun loving game I had when I was 13 playing 2v2 with friends.
1. YES DL IT 2. Dont expect to win a lot at first. Its an incredibly hard game but is incredibly amazing. Also watch VODs from tourneys like GC to learn matchups and builds. Hitting up the strategy guides in Liquipedia is also a good idea. 3. Get ICCup launcher and maphack. Consider joining a D-Ranks team in DRTL for practice partners and a fun time.
On August 14 2012 08:53 Mutality wrote: 1)This is only one of the most legendary games in existence 2) Play vs. a friend or just do 4v4 BGH to learn the basics.
Do not play BW like Starcraft 2 it plays completely different and will take a while to get used to, play with an open mind. Warning: You may get absolutely slaughtered on ICCUP, SC2 rank means nothing I'm masters SC2 but only D on ICCUP. Have fun! Don't get frustrated with the sub-par ai it's what makes the game fun and interesting! Good Luck! Broodwar is an amazing game and im sure you'll enjoy it!
Edit: Watching Pro BW games helps and is also extremely entertaining.
Ok, do you have any seriously recommended Games i should watch (considering iv never once played BW, or watched any vods really :D ) I feel like iv miss a lot Damn my age
I'm sure the best computer game in existence is worth playing.
For videos you can search for commentated FPVODs by Chill, Nony, Ahzz, Stylish, Oystein and others. You can just google "Name FPVOD" and get some helpful hits.
My recommendations for pre-playing:
1.) Find a friend or more online or otherwise to play with and talk to. Try searching for sGs on Teamliquid. 2.) Get hype. Watch things like Pimpest Plays, highlights of your favorite progamers, highlights of leagues, etc. to get your blood pumping. See NaDa kill Chojja with 1 vulture, Perfectman kill Iris with 1 reaver, Nony kill Idra with 1 probe.
For good games you can use Teamliquid search: "best games" in Brood War forum to find threads.
On August 14 2012 09:02 EchOne wrote: I'm sure the best computer game in existence is worth playing.
For videos you can search for commentated FPVODs by Chill, Nony, Ahzz, Stylish, Oystein and others. You can just google "Name FPVOD" and get some helpful hits.
My recommendations for pre-playing:
1.) Find a friend or more online or otherwise to play with and talk to. Try searching for sGs on Teamliquid. 2.) Get hype. Watch things like Pimpest Plays, highlights of your favorite progamers, highlights of leagues, etc. to get your blood pumping. See NaDa kill Chojja with 1 vulture, Perfectman kill Iris with 1 reaver, Nony kill Idra with 1 probe.
For good games you can use Teamliquid search: "best games" in Brood War forum to find threads.
On August 14 2012 08:55 TheShimmy wrote: BW can bring you such joy beyond belief.
1. YES DL IT 2. Dont expect to win a lot at first. Its an incredibly hard game but is incredibly amazing. Also watch VODs from tourneys like GC to learn matchups and builds. Hitting up the strategy guides in Liquipedia is also a good idea. 3. Get ICCup launcher and maphack. Consider joining a D-Ranks team in DRTL for practice partners and a fun time.
On August 14 2012 08:55 Danzo wrote: I was thinking to myself that should I start playing and learning BW, but there's not that many people on iCCup and the skill level is so high that I think it would just be a heavy time sink to learn the game. I'll always remember BW as the fun loving game I had when I was 13 playing 2v2 with friends.
There are lots of people on ICCup still, and believe me, the skill level's not as high as you think. There are very bad players and very good players and everything inbetween.
It's not that hard to get started, with some RTS experience at least. You'll be dropping to D- at first but not too long and you can at least maintain D for most of the time, within 100 or so games that should be doable, if you spend some time reading up on the game too.
Just maybe stick to one matchup if you care about your score. Play a straightforward but not too risky build. Or, just stop caring about the points too much and try out whatever you like, in order to get familiar with the units and micro in a less rigid way, and to discover which race is your fav to play.
If you are going to play protoss I suggest you remap your caps lock key to the letter p. That's what I did and it has worked exquisitely! And if you want to get good, remember to use the hotkeys and ctrl groups and screen positions from the start. It's great to start on the right path. Don't forget to tell your workers to go to the mineral patches :D !
Question about fish: What are the pros and cons of going on fish over ICCUp? Is it a pure korean server, or are there foregners playing there? Were's the link to the download/install? the site is all in moonspeak and I have no idea where to find it
On August 14 2012 10:00 Monsyphon wrote: Question about fish: What are the pros and cons of going on fish over ICCUp? Is it a pure korean server, or are there foregners playing there? Were's the link to the download/install? the site is all in moonspeak and I have no idea where to find it
It's always worth it to play BW. I suggest playing BGH. It's a super fun casual mode that has not been (and probably will never be) replicated in SC2 due to the new mechanics.
On August 14 2012 13:58 BearStorm wrote: It's always worth it to play BW. I suggest playing BGH. It's a super fun casual mode that has not been (and probably will never be) replicated in SC2 due to the new mechanics.
I don't know what type of games you are playing, but when I play bgh it is cut-throat and frustrating. Trying to hold off a triple 9 pool is not for the faint of heart
On August 14 2012 13:58 BearStorm wrote: It's always worth it to play BW. I suggest playing BGH. It's a super fun casual mode that has not been (and probably will never be) replicated in SC2 due to the new mechanics.
I don't know what type of games you are playing, but when I play bgh it is cut-throat and frustrating. Trying to hold off a triple 9 pool is not for the faint of heart
Ever been 5pooled by the Z farthest away from you, 6pooled by the Z 2nd farthest, and then 9pooled by the Z Closest? And with some nice marine support from the single T in the 4v4. And your whole team is PPPT(You P). Yeah.... not fun. =_(
It appears that I'm actually late to the party, but yeah try it out for sure! It's pretty easy to get it on your comp, it should run without any hitches, and it'll be fun, I promise :D
It's only the best game ever. If i weren't overwhelmed with work and university I'd be very much playing it 8+ hours a day. The community is awesome, op teamliquid is awesome, obsing games is awesome and 99% of the players are committed to it. I can honestly say it's the only game in which I've enjoyed having my ass handed to me because there's always something to learn.
I would direct you to stylish fpvods even for non terran players he pretty much cover everything that is fundamental in broodwar . Your build orders,macro,strategy and many more thank god for stylish where would I be without his guidance .
Link -------->>http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86770
p.s Terran is the best race in broodwar you will never regret watching your tanks steam rolling your opponent and them rage quiting because they suicided tons of their units and yet did nothing .
On August 14 2012 08:43 Gosi wrote: I see that you play Protoss, be aware that in Broodwar you can't have custom hotkeys and Protoss hotkeys are a bitch in this game.
Hell, hotkeys for all races can be a bitch if you ain't used to them. Just a heads up, because I've seen a couple of these threads and in the end they are dumping the game because they make pylons and probes on P and can't change that, or that they can't select one probe and shift-add a couple of gateways or whatever.
Lol :D I dont care about that, for the last month iv been playing WC3, but its not fill the same ich that Starcraft did
Wc3's UI is pretty damn close star2's and obviously limitations like 12 unit selection isn't as big a deal in wc3 as it is in BW.
You can do the shift-build thing in Wc3, and you can do stuff like multi-building selection and right-click to rally.
BW is a very difficult game to play let alone master.
On August 14 2012 08:43 Gosi wrote: I see that you play Protoss, be aware that in Broodwar you can't have custom hotkeys and Protoss hotkeys are a bitch in this game.
Hell, hotkeys for all races can be a bitch if you ain't used to them. Just a heads up, because I've seen a couple of these threads and in the end they are dumping the game because they make pylons and probes on P and can't change that, or that they can't select one probe and shift-add a couple of gateways or whatever.
Lol :D I dont care about that, for the last month iv been playing WC3, but its not fill the same ich that Starcraft did
Wc3's UI is pretty damn close star2's and obviously limitations like 12 unit selection isn't as big a deal in wc3 as it is in BW.
You can do the shift-build thing in Wc3, and you can do stuff like multi-building selection and right-click to rally.
BW is a very difficult game to play let alone master.
As iv stated previously, i dont care about the difficulty i just want a game to play for fun
You don't have to play BW super competitive to have fun.
BW ums are fun, BGH is fun, 2v2 is fun and you can play 1v1 at low level or doing crazy builds and it will still be a lot of fun, even if you lose. I can tell you, because if it wasn't that way, I wouldn't be here.
is there an active foreigner bw community still? Ive been having the BW itch lately but not knowing anyone that plays is preventing me from downloading it.
On August 14 2012 09:53 eskashaborn wrote: If you are going to play protoss I suggest you remap your caps lock key to the letter p. That's what I did and it has worked exquisitely! And if you want to get good, remember to use the hotkeys and ctrl groups and screen positions from the start. It's great to start on the right path. Don't forget to tell your workers to go to the mineral patches :D !
Uhhhhhhhhhh, don't we consider that illegal? I know there's no way to enforce it, but I'm pretty sure we'd suggest you play the game in its pure form -- spread out hotkeys and all.
On August 14 2012 08:43 Gosi wrote: I see that you play Protoss, be aware that in Broodwar you can't have custom hotkeys and Protoss hotkeys are a bitch in this game.
Hell, hotkeys for all races can be a bitch if you ain't used to them. Just a heads up, because I've seen a couple of these threads and in the end they are dumping the game because they make pylons and probes on P and can't change that, or that they can't select one probe and shift-add a couple of gateways or whatever.
Lol :D I dont care about that, for the last month iv been playing WC3, but its not fill the same ich that Starcraft did
Wc3's UI is pretty damn close star2's and obviously limitations like 12 unit selection isn't as big a deal in wc3 as it is in BW.
You can do the shift-build thing in Wc3, and you can do stuff like multi-building selection and right-click to rally.
BW is a very difficult game to play let alone master.
As iv stated previously, i dont care about the difficulty i just want a game to play for fun
Don't get me wrong, I still encourage you to play the game. I have extreme fond memories of messing around in BW.
I just wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel frustrated upon immediately starting a game. I know when I went back after playing Wc3 it really felt like I was just fighting the UI.
Hey there OP. Welcome to BW, best competitive real time strategy game ever.
My suggestion for you is to learn at least one basic build order for the race you want to play. Check Liquipedia for that.
Then you practice that BO vs the computer trying to make sure you are executing it as close to the ideal as you can. Of course, it will take a lot of time before you really grasp the ins and outs of any BO so at this stage odds are you won't perform it well yet.
After you get the basics of the BO down (always keep building workers while following the order of the buildings, keep your money as low as possible, avoid getting supply blocked) you go on ICcup and practice there.
Next you are going to lose some 50 times to all kinds of strange BO and counters imaginable. At this stage it's important to keep in mind that you are gaining experience and honning your skills even when you don't win. Don't be worried about keeping on D level right now. It's ok to go D- or E rank when you start playing the BW.
After a while you start practicing other BOs or variations of the first BO and start playing on more maps and before you know it you will be able to sustain D level and even increase a little bit.
That's the gist of how a basic progression goes for BW.
Other advice that will help you improve: watch streams of the race you want to play here on teamliquid; Join a low rank clan - those provide great environment to learn the ropes; Chat on op teamliquid on Iccup - many people will be willing to answear your questions there.
On August 15 2012 00:57 c0ldfusion wrote: I just wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel frustrated upon immediately starting a game. I know when I went back after playing Wc3 it really felt like I was just fighting the UI.
To me that's a good thing. Playing BW, I feel like I'm *making* the game *do something*, like toys as a child. Playing SC2 I feel like the game is doing everything for me.
On August 15 2012 00:57 c0ldfusion wrote: I just wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel frustrated upon immediately starting a game. I know when I went back after playing Wc3 it really felt like I was just fighting the UI.
To me that's a good thing. Playing BW, I feel like I'm *making* the game *do something*, like toys as a child. Playing SC2 I feel like the game is doing everything for me.
Yeah, that's a fair point.
I guess to me, I just want to do the strategizing (and microing the troops to an extent) and do as little of the frills as possible.
On August 14 2012 08:03 Merfyn wrote: Basiclly, my main computer died a few weeks back (It was during exams so didnt really think to much about it then ) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem... My Old Computer isnt good enough to run SC2 with enough FPS for it to be viable in online games (i would get smashed more than usual) so my question to you people in the BW section, is 1) is it worth it downloading BW 2) What should i do before i play any games 3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ?
Big thank you
Thank you, Merfyn!!! I hadn't played BW in years thinking that anyone still playing it would be absolutely dominating me and that it makes no sense to start playing again. Seeing that new players are still interested in starting to play I got the confidence to get ICCcup for the first time and get back into it knowing that there would still be people who are around my skill level to play against and practice with. I just played my first few games today, and I look forward to seeing you around =)
On August 14 2012 08:03 Merfyn wrote: Basiclly, my main computer died a few weeks back (It was during exams so didnt really think to much about it then ) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem... My Old Computer isnt good enough to run SC2 with enough FPS for it to be viable in online games (i would get smashed more than usual) so my question to you people in the BW section, is 1) is it worth it downloading BW 2) What should i do before i play any games 3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ?
Big thank you
1) u expect ppl to say no ?? -- 2) play games?? 3) make some researchs...
On August 14 2012 08:03 Merfyn wrote: Basiclly, my main computer died a few weeks back (It was during exams so didnt really think to much about it then ) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem... My Old Computer isnt good enough to run SC2 with enough FPS for it to be viable in online games (i would get smashed more than usual) so my question to you people in the BW section, is 1) is it worth it downloading BW 2) What should i do before i play any games 3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ?
Big thank you
1) u expect ppl to say no ?? -- 2) play games?? 3) make some researchs...
Have you ever played BW, or even orig., before? If not, it's definitely worth seeing how the legend that is StarCraft set its roots. At the very least, SC1 is a good time-burner; 'course, with a strong BW community like that of TL, you'll have plenty of folks to play with online.
On August 15 2012 00:57 c0ldfusion wrote: I just wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel frustrated upon immediately starting a game. I know when I went back after playing Wc3 it really felt like I was just fighting the UI.
To me that's a good thing. Playing BW, I feel like I'm *making* the game *do something*, like toys as a child. Playing SC2 I feel like the game is doing everything for me.
Yeah, that's a fair point.
I guess to me, I just want to do the strategizing (and microing the troops to an extent) and do as little of the frills as possible.
I thought the same for a little while ... a few days ago I fired SC2 up again to see if it finally worked (it did). I could barely hear the game and my mouse precision was really jacked up, but I easily crushed the Zerg with a mindless 8-gate 2-gas all-in attack. It felt like I had to do next to nothing to win ... make a bunch of gates, place some very late forward pylons, drop a few force fields. I was like ... wow, this blows. Back to BW
That's not to say SC2 at high levels is some no-skill venture. But some things in the game are just way too easy. If I wanted pure strategy I'd be playing chess or poker.
Just finished Downloading the suggested things (ICCUP etc) and played a few games just vs the AI to see what macroing was like just have to say that this is really really fun :D The Colours seem messed up for me atm, i tried the open the screen resolution thing, but its not worked, any suggestions?
On August 15 2012 00:57 c0ldfusion wrote: I just wanted to give you a heads up so you don't feel frustrated upon immediately starting a game. I know when I went back after playing Wc3 it really felt like I was just fighting the UI.
To me that's a good thing. Playing BW, I feel like I'm *making* the game *do something*, like toys as a child. Playing SC2 I feel like the game is doing everything for me.
On August 15 2012 03:59 Merfyn wrote: Just finished Downloading the suggested things (ICCUP etc) and played a few games just vs the AI to see what macroing was like just have to say that this is really really fun :D The Colours seem messed up for me atm, i tried the open the screen resolution thing, but its not worked, any suggestions?
On August 15 2012 03:59 Merfyn wrote: Just finished Downloading the suggested things (ICCUP etc) and played a few games just vs the AI to see what macroing was like just have to say that this is really really fun :D The Colours seem messed up for me atm, i tried the open the screen resolution thing, but its not worked, any suggestions?
On August 14 2012 08:03 Merfyn wrote: Basiclly, my main computer died a few weeks back (It was during exams so didnt really think to much about it then ) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem... My Old Computer isnt good enough to run SC2 with enough FPS for it to be viable in online games (i would get smashed more than usual) so my question to you people in the BW section, is 1) is it worth it downloading BW 2) What should i do before i play any games 3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ?
Big thank you
You bring up a interesting point. Should new comers come into the Brood War scene. It is impossible to determine why you decided to turn to Brood War. This is entirely my opinion but I'd catorgrize in three different groups of people and of course people lie within the middle.
1) You want to become a very talented player. Be very competitive. This is a great option if you can train for long periods of time and consistently and want to participate in cash tournaments. But you will need a ton of time. For example joining a team like LRM, sas, SJ, iFU ect, and participate in gambit cup. Maybe you want to hone your skills as a indvidiual and participate in a potential ISL.
2) Your here to have a fun gaming experience. UMS for the most part and maybe the casual tournaments. For example Trozz's Gem League, the Torenhire Starleague, Pucca's CTF FFA tournament. Your not super competive but you just want to have fun and enjoy brood war.
3) Your here for the Brood War scene either Korean or Foreign. You want to constantly stay up-to date with players and help support them. You watch endless streams and VODs so find out what goes on in the scene. IE watching Gamibt, iCCupStarcraftTV, VODs of Torenhire SL, watching the PL from Korea.
I as a viewer can not identify your needs that it up for you to decide. I think it might be very difficult to join this scene as it was for me 9 months ago however it has been rewarding. I'd personally say I'm more of a 2 and 3 person in between. I'm not aiming to really improve just like giving back to the community and enjoy watching some funny Star Leagues.
Of course anyone can feel free to disagree with me.
If you want to play a couple games for fun, I will play with you! I never got to be all that good on ICCUP (like, D almost D+ but not quite there). PM me if you're interested
If you dont't feel ready for Iccup you could download BWAI-launcher. Basically it adds a host of new computer ais to the game. They still have a lot of limitations but some of them macros quite well plus they use more sensible builds than the blizzard ai. Also you can make the program choose ais at random so you would need to learn to scout.
Could be a good way to get some basic mechanics down.
I want to try BW, too. I already installed all of the above mentioned tools, installed the color fix, got an ICCup account, but in the menus the mouse is far too fast now because of the lowered resolution. Could somebody tell me what is the resolution in BW, so I can adjust the mouse speed with the ICCup launcher accordingly?
If you dl the iccup bw, it won't have music, which is more than awesome. I'd recommend downloading it an playing it in the background on repeat. xD Also, using BW mini image makes things easier. (Just mount it with some free program that makes virtual CD drives, like Daemon Tools).
You can check here for current tournaments and leagues. There are many D/C and "real" leagues/tournaments going on or in the signup stage now (so you can join!):
D Ranks Team League Season 3 D Ranks Individual Tournament Season 3 The Torenhire Starleague I [C rank] Yellow StarLeague Gambit's Cup Season 3 [SRW] TheShimmy's Rush Week- College Ind. Tourney Pucca Capture the Flag Free-for-All Tournament
On August 15 2012 20:38 quirinus wrote: If you dl the iccup bw, it won't have music, which is more than awesome. I'd recommend downloading it an playing it in the background on repeat. xD Also, using BW mini image makes things easier. (Just mount it with some free program that makes virtual CD drives, like Daemon Tools).
You can check here for current tournaments and leagues. There are many D/C and "real" leagues/tournaments going on or in the signup stage now (so you can join!):
D Ranks Team League Season 3 D Ranks Individual Tournament Season 3 The Torenhire Starleague I [C rank] Yellow StarLeague Gambit's Cup Season 3 [SRW] TheShimmy's Rush Week- College Ind. Tourney Pucca Capture the Flag Free-for-All Tournament
There's a lot more commentary by other people, you can search around a bit... or ask someone to link you.
Thank you, I have already watched some of the old Day9 episodes and I'm regularly watching Sayle's commentary. But what's the BW ingame resolution? Google only gives me solutions on how to fix resolution in newer windows versions etc. I just want the number so I can calculate how much I have to reduce the mouse speed with the ICCup launcher to change to get the mouse speed I'm used to.
On August 15 2012 18:06 Garmer wrote: BW worth playing? it's like asking if sex is worth to do
This guy knows what's up.
On August 15 2012 20:17 KuKri wrote: I want to try BW, too. I already installed all of the above mentioned tools, installed the color fix, got an ICCup account, but in the menus the mouse is far too fast now because of the lowered resolution. Could somebody tell me what is the resolution in BW, so I can adjust the mouse speed with the ICCup launcher accordingly?
On August 15 2012 20:17 KuKri wrote: I want to try BW, too. I already installed all of the above mentioned tools, installed the color fix, got an ICCup account, but in the menus the mouse is far too fast now because of the lowered resolution. Could somebody tell me what is the resolution in BW, so I can adjust the mouse speed with the ICCup launcher accordingly?
It's 640x480.
Finally, thank you! Now, to play, I have to create a game and name it like 'D' and host it in One on one mode? The only game I saw in One on one was called 'C+B-', am I trying to join the wrong way? Is there something like a quick game option? And how does the ranking system work, do the results automatically get uploaded to ICCup and then you get/lose some points? Sorry for all the questions, I can't find a guide on ICCup...
On August 15 2012 22:42 KuKri wrote: Finally, thank you! Now, to play, I have to create a game and name it like 'D' and host it in One on one mode? The only game I saw in One on one was called 'C+B-', am I trying to join the wrong way? Is there something like a quick game option? And how does the ranking system work, do the results automatically get uploaded to ICCup and then you get/lose some points? Sorry for all the questions, I can't find a guide on ICCup...
* To host a game you need port 6112 opened on your network (router). There is a good bit written about this if you search TL. * Unless you think you're pretty good, do yourself a favor and advertise your game as "D- noob" or something like that. Check your opponent's stats when they enter the game and hope your opponent isn't a smurf. Don't join a game unless you see that their Anti-hack is "ON". * You probably want to start out playing unranked games unless you think you're pretty good. "/join op teamliquid" or other channels like that to find friendly games (don't get me wrong, assholes show up in every channel at one time or another) to play or observe. This ought to help you gauge your skill level also. * If you see a message in a channel like "111/zzz" that means that their game is named "111" and the password to join it is "zzz". This is the standard way to join a private game. * Send a private message with "/w playerid message...", the whisper command. You can whisper to the person who last whispered you with "/r message...", so you don't need to specify the player id. * You win or lose points based on your opponent's ranking. All results are automatically sent to ICCup servers. You can reset your rank/current stats every two weeks with "/clearstats YES" but your game results will still be visible on ICCup website.
On August 15 2012 22:42 KuKri wrote: Finally, thank you! Now, to play, I have to create a game and name it like 'D' and host it in One on one mode? The only game I saw in One on one was called 'C+B-', am I trying to join the wrong way? Is there something like a quick game option? And how does the ranking system work, do the results automatically get uploaded to ICCup and then you get/lose some points? Sorry for all the questions, I can't find a guide on ICCup...
* To host a game you need port 6112 opened on your network (router). There is a good bit written about this if you search TL. * Unless you think you're pretty good, do yourself a favor and advertise your game as "D- noob" or something like that. Check your opponent's stats when they enter the game and hope your opponent isn't a smurf. Don't join a game unless you see that their Anti-hack is "ON". * If you see a message in a channel like "111/zzz" that means that their game is named "111" and the password to join it is "zzz". This is the standard way to join a private game. * You win or lose points based on your opponent's ranking. All results are automatically sent to ICCup servers. You can reset your rank/current stats every two weeks with "/clearstats YES" but your game results will still be visible on ICCup website.
Thank you. I just tried to join a game called 'd-/e' but right upon joining I received the message 'You have been banned!' lol.
On August 15 2012 22:42 KuKri wrote: Finally, thank you! Now, to play, I have to create a game and name it like 'D' and host it in One on one mode? The only game I saw in One on one was called 'C+B-', am I trying to join the wrong way? Is there something like a quick game option? And how does the ranking system work, do the results automatically get uploaded to ICCup and then you get/lose some points? Sorry for all the questions, I can't find a guide on ICCup...
* To host a game you need port 6112 opened on your network (router). There is a good bit written about this if you search TL. * Unless you think you're pretty good, do yourself a favor and advertise your game as "D- noob" or something like that. Check your opponent's stats when they enter the game and hope your opponent isn't a smurf. Don't join a game unless you see that their Anti-hack is "ON". * If you see a message in a channel like "111/zzz" that means that their game is named "111" and the password to join it is "zzz". This is the standard way to join a private game. * You win or lose points based on your opponent's ranking. All results are automatically sent to ICCup servers. You can reset your rank/current stats every two weeks with "/clearstats YES" but your game results will still be visible on ICCup website.
Thank you. I just tried to join a game called 'd-/e' but right upon joining I received the message 'You have been banned!' lol.
That's probably because your points are at 1000- the base level for a new account. At that point you are D. Below you are D-, and E ranks. Above you... more than you could possible imagine :D
For portforwarding, go here Portforward.com and follow their guide.
On August 15 2012 23:08 Sephy90 wrote: Of course it's worth it you big dumb doofus! Play all the missions man it's hella fun!
Haha yea, I just started doing this two days ago, trying to complete all campaigns in SC1 and BW ... so much fun! I remember doing this when the game came out for the Mac and I must've been 11 or so, but I was so bad back then I barely got anywhere (having only played WC2 campaign).
I just played the first game as Protoss vs AI. Although I did not quite get how to macro and manage hotkeys I somehow pulled a win against the AI at some point. Opened up with what looked pretty similar to a Starcraft 2 force, Zeatlos, Dragoons and, because I was soooo high on gas, DTs. I would probably get some friends of mine, who I usually play SC2 or Diablo 3 with in the after working hours, to play with me. Two of them even used to play BW, but not really vs HI, just casually, the campaign mode and from time to time vs AI. Will be a lot of fun :-) Now I have to learn how to use hotkeys (can't add buildings to one group by holding 'shift' and click?), learn the basics about units, counters and openers by reading and watching replays and when I'm feeling comfortable I'll give it a shot at the ladder, I'm so excited hahah
I might hijack this thread a bit if that's alright. I myself have always been more a spectator than player but still play/played sc2 on and off and a bit of bw.
I'm curious if anyone's got suggestions for Protoss hotkeys and camera positions because the probe and pylon being on P makes them a bitch for me to transfer over the same from sc2. So has anyone got good suggestions of hotkey setups throughout the early, mid and lategame? And I know some of it will always preference.
On August 16 2012 00:32 Darneck wrote: I might hijack this thread a bit if that's alright. I myself have always been more a spectator than player but still play/played sc2 on and off and a bit of bw.
I'm curious if anyone's got suggestions for Protoss hotkeys and camera positions because the probe and pylon being on P makes them a bitch for me to transfer over the same from sc2. So has anyone got good suggestions of hotkey setups throughout the early, mid and lategame? And I know some of it will always preference.
nexus on 0 and 9 (and stargate/robo on 7/8). For building a pylon, after a while you'll be able to hit P fast without looking at the keyboard. Other races have this far away hotkeys too (f.e. Overlord on O) early game you can use the f-keys at your nexus to be able to transfer probes quickly against harass, if you have lots of gates you can also camera position there for macro.
KuKri, do you mean if you can't add them all on the same hotkey or just shift add them at all? Because no there is no MBS and no you can't see your hotkeys but you can add them via shift+# like in sc2.
Darneck: Popular hotkeys would be to be have your first nexus on whatever hotkey is comfortable for you. Some foreigners did the 0p9p8p but most koreans have the first nexus on like 4 and then just press the F-keys and makes probes by clicking on the other nexies. And then when you start coming up in bases you just hotkey all your gateways on the hotkeys you don't have army on. Protoss hotkeying/mechanics are pretty simple in BW.
Also a tip: hit P with your thumb. It gets pretty easy to build pylons and probes that way. When you hit B>P with your thumb for pylons it goes pretty fast.
On August 16 2012 00:32 Darneck wrote: I might hijack this thread a bit if that's alright. I myself have always been more a spectator than player but still play/played sc2 on and off and a bit of bw.
I'm curious if anyone's got suggestions for Protoss hotkeys and camera positions because the probe and pylon being on P makes them a bitch for me to transfer over the same from sc2. So has anyone got good suggestions of hotkey setups throughout the early, mid and lategame? And I know some of it will always preference.
Look at it this way, once you get used to hitting "p" for probes, you'll also be in great shape to use the 8-0 hotkeys.
On August 15 2012 23:14 KuKri wrote: I just played the first game as Protoss vs AI. Although I did not quite get how to macro and manage hotkeys I somehow pulled a win against the AI at some point. Opened up with what looked pretty similar to a Starcraft 2 force, Zeatlos, Dragoons and, because I was soooo high on gas, DTs. I would probably get some friends of mine, who I usually play SC2 or Diablo 3 with in the after working hours, to play with me. Two of them even used to play BW, but not really vs HI, just casually, the campaign mode and from time to time vs AI. Will be a lot of fun :-) Now I have to learn how to use hotkeys (can't add buildings to one group by holding 'shift' and click?), learn the basics about units, counters and openers by reading and watching replays and when I'm feeling comfortable I'll give it a shot at the ladder, I'm so excited hahah
Heheheeee. Um, you can't select more than one building at once. You have to macro individually. Also, if you ever try psi storming by selecting all your high templar, spamming "t", and clicking all over the enemy units, you'll get a nasty surprise.
you'll probably have to find an area where you can find a couple people to play with.
i remember that at times in the past, i would join public obs (competitive maps usually with observer slots) games to play random games or to spectate them. they were usually quite competitive and although the game title could say something like 'noobs'... there would be some pretty o-k players who would join and pretend to be bad in chat just to try crushing whoever else that joined
since you're starting, you'll probably have to have friends to play with where you support one another in getting better. unfortunately, i have to say that this aspect was much easier for me when the game was generally much more popular in years ago. my friends were very active and we actually formed in-house 1v1 groups all the time to have fun and learn.
[it's my personal opinion that a top-5 rule for improving is to never 'complain'. do your best and tweak until you hit a point where a human couldn't possibly do better.]
we're ages older compared to back then so what do we do these days if we don't SC-exhibition? ---now?... b*tches and ho's and money, haha---excuse my language. hardly anyone i know plays anything to be competitive unless it's the next big MMO. very few people in comparison, know the art that is starcraft!!
that said, i haven't played in forever and wouldn't mind picking up another game to play for a bit :D perhaps send me a PM if you want a low-level practice partner (i haven't -played- sc1 since 2008)
On August 16 2012 15:29 Monsen wrote: Let's have a minute of silence for all the SC2 users oblivious to the excellence of this game.
. . .
give it a break, there are far more people out there who could care even less. atleast sc2 player are along the same line. silence isn't going to do a thing. actually doing something (say, creating a thread and getting the word out) is a lot of good in comparison.
also, there's an edit feature to the boards, please use it.
This thread gave me the infection that is BW and I went back and did 3 1v1s and I SUCK! worse then ever sc2 has made me slow and dumb. also totally not used to movement control.
1) is it worth it downloading BW NO it doesn't. If there is one game you should buy a real copy of the game it should be SC BW.
2) What should i do before i play any games If you are new to the game may be you should try to finish the campaign first. it will help a lot.
3) are there any specific things i need to do before going online, i.e. ICCUP, antihack things? and how do i do these ? I have to warn you that THE PEOPLE who are still playing BW are real gamer! They are very nice and they always welcome a newcomer to the community. However, These guys are not WOW player and they will crush you like a bug for your first 200-300 game. So be prepare.
On August 16 2012 16:09 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: This thread gave me the infection that is BW and I went back and did 3 1v1s and I SUCK! worse then ever sc2 has made me slow and dumb. also totally not used to movement control.
After reading this thread I just sit here wondering, why did I ever quit SC:BW?
Now I play LoL and feel ashamed to even say it in here, purely out of respect for the amazing game of SC. And its community. God, the community was amazing and inspiring. I miss SC.
In the end I think I ended up quitting because it sucked me in too hard and I couldn't get motivated for much else when I was very into SC. Also, you couldn't take a leisurely game when coming home after a long day at work. There are no such things as leisurely games in SC:BW. You get sucked in and and want to learn more. You dream about it at night, and try to come up with new build orders in the morning shower. You want to read up on strategic intricacies, identify your flaws, perfect your muta micro. That's what makes it the best game for anyone with passion. It also makes it hard to fit into your everyday life with friends, girlfriend and work.
But hey - you should definitely try it. Have your run and see where it takes you.
On August 16 2012 16:22 pedduck wrote: 1) is it worth it downloading BW NO it doesn't. If there is one game you should buy a real copy of the game it should be SC BW.
There's nothing unethical about using the ICCup Brood War. But yea, definitely worth having a real copy for the campaign.
On August 16 2012 16:22 pedduck wrote: 1) is it worth it downloading BW NO it doesn't. If there is one game you should buy a real copy of the game it should be SC BW.
There's nothing unethical about using the ICCup Brood War. But yea, definitely worth having a real copy for the campaign.
Get the battle chest it will have everything u need, and its like $15 here very cheap and very worth it.
Yea, I bought the battle chest for $30 for Mac yearrrrs ago when BW was new, so I didn't feel guilty for pirating the Windows version now to play the campaign again (the Mac one is PPC, no way I could run it now).
It's fun but expect to get just smashed for a while. If you're thinking of being really competitive, join the Fish Server as well since iCCup isn't as full as it used to be.
On August 16 2012 15:29 Monsen wrote: Let's have a minute of silence for all the SC2 users oblivious to the excellence of this game.
. . .
give it a break, there are far more people out there who could care even less. atleast sc2 player are along the same line. silence isn't going to do a thing. actually doing something (say, creating a thread and getting the word out) is a lot of good in comparison.
also, there's an edit feature to the boards, please use it.
No idea what is wrong with you. This thread is obviously populated with people that play(ed) and enjoy(ed) Bw. Some even come from playing SC2. However thousands of SC2 players will never know how great of a game Bw is. I think it's fine to pity them.
Also, I've been on TL close to ten years now. I'm sure I don't need you to tell me about board functions.
This thread is actually pretty helpful. I've played a couple of games vs AI, but I've always wanted to try some real BW games. The BW mod in SC2 just isn't as satisfying. That said, I downloaded the ICCup launcher (from the anti-hack link), the starcraft.zip, color_fixes.reg, and the latest map pack from the ICCup site. Do I need to do anything else (such as moving files from the map pack folder into the starcraft folder)?
On August 17 2012 05:35 Kmatt wrote: This thread is actually pretty helpful. I've played a couple of games vs AI, but I've always wanted to try some real BW games. The BW mod in SC2 just isn't as satisfying. That said, I downloaded the ICCup launcher (from the anti-hack link), the starcraft.zip, color_fixes.reg, and the latest map pack from the ICCup site. Do I need to do anything else (such as moving files from the map pack folder into the starcraft folder)?
put the maps in the starcraft\maps or starcraft\maps\BroodWar folder. If you follow this ICCup guide you should be able to play.
On August 17 2012 02:52 ODKStevez wrote: BW was great fun. Play it have some fun, but remember that things are moving on now. We have a better BW now so come back to sc2 soon! See you there!
SC2 and BW are completely different games. Calling SC2 a "better BW" is absurd when BW is probably the greatest RTS ever made.
If people can't join your games, go to http://portforward.com/ and pick your router mark/model on the left, then choose StarCraft: Broodwar (or it's maybe just starcraft) and follow the instructions.
When playing ladder games, set the speed on "fastest", game mode on "one on one". When playing friendly games, use the "melee" game mode (or Use map settings if you're using an obs map). For 2v2 use "Top vs bottom" game mode.
Name the games like 1v1 <rank> <map name>: "1v1 D Fighting Spirit" (or "1v1 D FS" for short) you can list more ranks, "1v1 D-/D Python".
When joining games, the colored bars next to the game indicate the ping/latency to that game, so you should avoid 5 red bars, and mostly go for 1-2 green bars. As someone said, when people say xyz/1 or xyz//1 they want you to join the private game with the name xyz and 1 is the password.
If it lags in game, you can increase the latency of the game so it stutters less (but then units take more time to respond to/do the commands) by going F10, o, n (I know the shortcuts but not the names LOL) and choosing first High latency, if that doesn't work well just quit or try Extra high latency (altho most people will leave if you do this as it's really detrimental to micro and gameplay). If you see LAN Lat off at the start of the game I'd recommend leaving as that player has turned off the option to reduce the latency or doesn't have the antihack launcher running (also visible by AH off msg). Also recommend leaving if there's a player with AH off.
You can use /motw to see the maps that give extra points that week, some weeks have popular maps, some not. In the not popular weeks you can use Fighting Spirit as it's the most played map.
You can /f add <name> or /f a <name> to add people to your friends list. /f remove <name> or /f r <name> to remove them. To send messages to people on the friend list use /f m <message>. To see people on the list you can click the Friends button or write /f l. To see just the people that are online use /f o. If you're in a clan you can use /c m <message>, /c l and /c o, /c off/on (to turn clan messages off/on). To msg people that aren't on the fl use /w <name> <msg>. To replay to the last guy who messaged you use /r <message>. There's also /time, /stats, /stats <name>, /ah (in lobby or game) to see if people have antihack on. /clearstats YES to reset stats once per 2 weeks, /transfer <name> to transfer stats to the <name> account. /ignore <name> to mute someone. /dnd <message> to turn off private messages (whispers, and friends' messages in game). To join channels use /j <channel name> or /join <channel name> or click the Channels button and type it there. There are a bunch of other useful commands but you'll learn them as you go on. You can double click peoples' name to see stats/points and profile, or your own to edit profile. "op teamliquid" is a good channel, I think there's "op sgs" too for low level players.
I'd recommend joining the sGs clan and then getting them to add you in their skype chat so you can get games vs low level players easily.
Also ranks are basically E (CPU), D-, D, D+, C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A, A+, Olympic. Most of the ranks have 1k points between them, except the top four and bottom two ranks. (Details.) You usually get 100 points for a win on a non motw (map of the week) map when playing a player of the same rank, and 130 when playing on a motw map with ah on (antihack on). The number of points you lose depends on the rank you're at, but at D it's -50, higher ranks lose more. When you win vs a higher rank you get more points, when winning against lower rank you get less, for losing it's the opposite.
I know I forgot something important, but if I remember I'll write it later.
Thanks for all the help. I tried to get into a game, but the only person who responded was someone from California who I couldn't connect to because of latency. Aren't there supposed to be tons of people who play big game hunters or something? I've always heard of that map, but I've not seen any games on it, I figure that would be a good place to familiarize myself.
On August 16 2012 15:29 Monsen wrote: Let's have a minute of silence for all the SC2 users oblivious to the excellence of this game.
. . .
give it a break, there are far more people out there who could care even less. atleast sc2 player are along the same line. silence isn't going to do a thing. actually doing something (say, creating a thread and getting the word out) is a lot of good in comparison.
also, there's an edit feature to the boards, please use it.
No idea what is wrong with you. This thread is obviously populated with people that play(ed) and enjoy(ed) Bw. Some even come from playing SC2. However thousands of SC2 players will never know how great of a game Bw is. I think it's fine to pity them.
Also, I've been on TL close to ten years now. I'm sure I don't need you to tell me about board functions.
sorry, i was addressing the poster right above you (in this thread) and i thought that was obvious, so i mentioned it the way i did in my post.
and... i was talking that way because to me, you were using 'oblivious' as a negative connotation for---as in what you mentioned in your post just now--pity... i was also comparing and putting into perspective how 70%+ of the world isn't aware of starcraft or how good of a game it is,.. to those tens of thousands of sc2 players who don't appreciate the game.
there are plenty of arguments or whatever for that whole sc1 VS sc2 stuff going on. it's not hard to see that i dislike it when it's pretty unecessary. my point point was: give it a break... and i'm not trying to give you a lecture or whatever from what i say from here, but much of what the community has to say about that whole debate is that they are two different games, two different beasts. ---same goes for any gamer out there who doesn't appreciate star1 in the slightest, and enjoy their own hobbies perfectly fine. they either could not, or would not enjoy the game as we do. i don't agree with any sort of pity (except purely comedy) because the fact is, many people pity *us* starcraft \-gamers for our interest in this game.
On August 17 2012 02:52 ODKStevez wrote: BW was great fun. Play it have some fun, but remember that things are moving on now. We have a better BW now so come back to sc2 soon! See you there!
no it's not
You look at BW, and all you are able to see are the graphic and the limitation, BW is not that
On August 17 2012 02:52 ODKStevez wrote: BW was great fun. Play it have some fun, but remember that things are moving on now. We have a better BW now so come back to sc2 soon! See you there!
Are you Mike Morhaime? With more respect than is due- get stuffed, and get out of the BW forum.
On August 17 2012 02:52 ODKStevez wrote: BW was great fun. Play it have some fun, but remember that things are moving on now. We have a better BW now so come back to sc2 soon! See you there!
Are you Mike Morhaime? With more respect than is due- get stuffed, and get out of the BW forum.
Come on dude, show him some respect. SC2 even has destructible rocks.
Jokes aside, the guy must be pretty lucky to get away with a temp. Playing SC2 is one thing, trashing BW is another.
I'm seriously having so much fun playing this game right now. I feel like I'm actually decent considering I've only played like ten games total. Can anyone tell me a good hotkey setup for terran? Right now im just using location hotkeys for all my bases and I'm using 8 to take me to my production. I set 9 and 0 to the comsats on my first two bases.
I have 1-7 designated for units, especially when I'm going marine medic, but I usually just get so frustrated trying to set up the control groups that i just end up boxing and clicking on the minimap. Is there some trick to setting up the control groups for units that I don't know about?
I've just been doing mostly clicking, I can 1a2a3a when I have a larger force.
That said, I can only say that for the one game I played. Poking through the ICCup channels, I learned that I'm not actually allowed to play unless I'm at least a Korean A- with 2 OSL wins and a girlfriend. Therefore I was instructed to delete and/or uninstall.
Is there a practice group channel or something? For how much people like to hate on SC2 and say that their game is better, they aren't very welcoming to people learning BW :/
Yeah, I was wondering, a good "New player's guide to BW" thread with plenty of copypasta would be pretty helpful. If anything, it would cut down on question threads, I would think.
On August 17 2012 23:45 Mzimzim wrote: I'm seriously having so much fun playing this game right now. I feel like I'm actually decent considering I've only played like ten games total. Can anyone tell me a good hotkey setup for terran? Right now im just using location hotkeys for all my bases and I'm using 8 to take me to my production. I set 9 and 0 to the comsats on my first two bases.
I have 1-7 designated for units, especially when I'm going marine medic, but I usually just get so frustrated trying to set up the control groups that i just end up boxing and clicking on the minimap. Is there some trick to setting up the control groups for units that I don't know about?
Someone should teach the guy Shift + F2 for screen hotkeys.
Basically if you are playing Terran, your production facilities shall be clumped up in one pile. You click on the middle facility and then you press Shift + F2 to take a screenshot of that location. So while you go into the battles with your unit, once your money gets high, you press F2 to go back to your Factories/Barracks and whatnot, quickly click on every single one of them and produce the appropriate units from them. Immediately go back to your unit afterward. If you do this more and more often, your macro won't skip a beat and the entire game just flows smoother.
On August 17 2012 23:54 Kmatt wrote: I've just been doing mostly clicking, I can 1a2a3a when I have a larger force.
That said, I can only say that for the one game I played. Poking through the ICCup channels, I learned that I'm not actually allowed to play unless I'm at least a Korean A- with 2 OSL wins and a girlfriend. Therefore I was instructed to delete and/or uninstall.
Is there a practice group channel or something? For how much people like to hate on SC2 and say that their game is better, they aren't very welcoming to people learning BW :/
go /op TL on ICCup, there are usually around 20 guys there.
OR TL search sGs Clan for beginners. I only hear good things about them.
The route of BW is somewhat simple.
start at sGs, then move on to C Rank, there join a famous Clan from Gambit Cup, practice your butt off with them until you reach B level. Then download Fish and practice against the Koreans. You should be able to get into A rank from there.
On August 17 2012 23:54 Kmatt wrote: I've just been doing mostly clicking, I can 1a2a3a when I have a larger force.
That said, I can only say that for the one game I played. Poking through the ICCup channels, I learned that I'm not actually allowed to play unless I'm at least a Korean A- with 2 OSL wins and a girlfriend. Therefore I was instructed to delete and/or uninstall.
Is there a practice group channel or something? For how much people like to hate on SC2 and say that their game is better, they aren't very welcoming to people learning BW :/
You are so right about this. I tried playing a 2v2, and my teammate was just telling me how bad I was the entire game. I ended up getting the highest score, which really confused me considering it was like my 3rd game ever. Is there a way to add friends in bw? If there is, we should add each other and play some games. It' so hard to find people that are willing to play someone that just started.
On August 17 2012 23:45 Mzimzim wrote: I'm seriously having so much fun playing this game right now. I feel like I'm actually decent considering I've only played like ten games total. Can anyone tell me a good hotkey setup for terran? Right now im just using location hotkeys for all my bases and I'm using 8 to take me to my production. I set 9 and 0 to the comsats on my first two bases.
I have 1-7 designated for units, especially when I'm going marine medic, but I usually just get so frustrated trying to set up the control groups that i just end up boxing and clicking on the minimap. Is there some trick to setting up the control groups for units that I don't know about?
Someone should teach the guy Shift + F2 for screen hotkeys.
Basically if you are playing Terran, your production facilities shall be clumped up in one pile. You click on the middle facility and then you press Shift + F2 to take a screenshot of that location. So while you go into the battles with your unit, once your money gets high, you press F2 to go back to your Factories/Barracks and whatnot, quickly click on every single one of them and produce the appropriate units from them. Immediately go back to your unit afterward. If you do this more and more often, your macro won't skip a beat and the entire game just flows smoother.
I use the location hotkeys for my command centers. I'm just wondering what a standard hotkey setup would be.
I actually played with one of those sGs guys, he shared vision at one point and started giving me tips. When I showed him my vision he was genuinely surprised how big of an army I had. Maybe SC2 did pay off lol.
That said, Hop in the "op Teamliquid" channel, I'm Kmatt in there too.
On August 18 2012 00:07 Kmatt wrote: I actually played with one of those sGs guys, he shared vision at one point and started giving me tips. When I showed him my vision he was genuinely surprised how big of an army I had. Maybe SC2 did pay off lol.
That said, Hop in the "op Teamliquid" channel, I'm Kmatt in there too.
F2 -- for production facility F3-- for natural F4-- expo
1-6 Army
7-8 Armory or Engineering bay for quick upgrades
9-0 Comsat station ....
It works for me however it may not work for you. Also I never like spamming in the beginning of the game this so called "warming up" crap will only make you get tired in the middle of the game . Instead practice rallying your scv to minerals and press "r" to a mineral spot . Helps you in the middle game where you need to rally your factorys and barrack to your natural in a quick manner this is where F2,F3 screen is a live saver .
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
If that's a problem do you have a spare keyboard lying around with a usb port ? If you have just plug it in to your junk laptop and you are good to go.
As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
If that's a problem do you have a spare keyboard lying around with a usb port ? If you have just plug it in to your junk laptop and you are good to go.
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
If that's a problem do you have a spare keyboard lying around with a usb port ? If you have just plug it in to your junk laptop and you are good to go.
I think I have one somewhere, I'll give it a try.
Should be able to disable that so it performs as a normal function key. You can probably find that option in your BIOS settings. If you don't know how to do this then look up your laptop's manual.
I tried that, but it was giving me hassle. I'm getting a new computer sometime in the next few months, so I'll just wait it out.
But I'm having a really hard time finding games. There's at least 30-50 people in each channel and not one of them will say a word. Is it normal for everyone to be afk all the time or are they just ignoring me because I'm a noob?
On August 18 2012 01:14 Kmatt wrote: I tried that, but it was giving me hassle. I'm getting a new computer sometime in the next few months, so I'll just wait it out.
But I'm having a really hard time finding games. There's at least 30-50 people in each channel and not one of them will say a word. Is it normal for everyone to be afk all the time or are they just ignoring me because I'm a noob?
Just whisper to them (there is an ICCup page on how to use these things), go like "PvZ Destination D/D+?"
On August 18 2012 01:14 Kmatt wrote: I tried that, but it was giving me hassle. I'm getting a new computer sometime in the next few months, so I'll just wait it out.
But I'm having a really hard time finding games. There's at least 30-50 people in each channel and not one of them will say a word. Is it normal for everyone to be afk all the time or are they just ignoring me because I'm a noob?
Just whisper to them (there is an ICCup page on how to use these things), go like "PvZ Destination D/D+?"
Most of them will respond in couple of seconds.
Yeah.. finding games is frustrating at first but once you figure out how its done its pretty easy. And when you find someone try and play them a couple times in a row too
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
On August 18 2012 00:09 Sawamura wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:16 Kmatt wrote: As for screen hotkeys, I'm using a somewhat junky laptop that has this weird function key thing (see:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324776), so I can't hit F3 to use it as an F3 button, I have to hold down Fn to make it not perform a function, in this case changing screen brightness.
If that's a problem do you have a spare keyboard lying around with a usb port ? If you have just plug it in to your junk laptop and you are good to go.
I think I have one somewhere, I'll give it a try.
Should be able to disable that so it performs as a normal function key. You can probably find that option in your BIOS settings. If you don't know how to do this then look up your laptop's manual.
Is there a function lock key? Some keyboards that dual-purpose their F keys have those.
Yeah, the main thing wich i find so much better in sc2 (sorry dont wanna start a compare flame war) is finding games. That part is still kind a buggy in bw (also with the latency issue..)
Don't know if it's mentioned before but Day9's videos and podcasts were enlightening
On August 18 2012 01:46 Navane wrote: Yeah, the main thing wich i find so much better in sc2 (sorry dont wanna start a compare flame war) is finding games. That part is still kind a buggy in bw (also with the latency issue..)
buggy? I thought it's non-existent. Yes, indeed SC2 is better when it comes to that. No one would start flaming for that.
Ah just won my first game :D litrally jumped out my chair and was like YEAAAAAAHHHH!!!! If a mod could possible re-name the thread (maybe?) becuase this thread isnt just about me anymore its more about new people getting into BW ill re-update the OP with more info in a bit (out ATM) but god i love this game
Lost my first 1v1 I was playing a protoss and i was going mech like a baws. After about 20 minutes of macroing my heart out and struggling to get all my units in a control groups, I go to his base and he's chilling there with like 8 carriers. I've never played BW before this, but now I understand what idra meant when he said making carriers is a useful skill toi have. GG
On August 18 2012 03:25 Mzimzim wrote: Lost my first 1v1 I was playing a protoss and i was going mech like a baws. After about 20 minutes of macroing my heart out and struggling to get all my units in a control groups, I go to his base and he's chilling there with like 8 carriers. I've never played BW before this, but now I understand what idra meant when he said making carriers is a useful skill toi have. GG
On August 18 2012 03:25 Mzimzim wrote: Lost my first 1v1 I was playing a protoss and i was going mech like a baws. After about 20 minutes of macroing my heart out and struggling to get all my units in a control groups, I go to his base and he's chilling there with like 8 carriers. I've never played BW before this, but now I understand what idra meant when he said making carriers is a useful skill toi have. GG
On August 18 2012 03:25 Mzimzim wrote: Lost my first 1v1 I was playing a protoss and i was going mech like a baws. After about 20 minutes of macroing my heart out and struggling to get all my units in a control groups, I go to his base and he's chilling there with like 8 carriers. I've never played BW before this, but now I understand what idra meant when he said making carriers is a useful skill toi have. GG
Use your scans properly man lol
Yup. As Terran, tech need never surprise you!
Except for when Protoss builds a robotics right outside your main on the other side of the cliff and sends a reaver in 20 seconds earlier than you are used to, before you have any turrets.
Or when they hide templar tech and send in dark templars.
Or when you get a wraith to deal with the reaver drop thinking its over, but he transitions into dark templar drop (Kal vs Baby, Pathfinder, OSL)
On August 18 2012 00:07 Kmatt wrote: I actually played with one of those sGs guys, he shared vision at one point and started giving me tips. When I showed him my vision he was genuinely surprised how big of an army I had. Maybe SC2 did pay off lol.
That said, Hop in the "op Teamliquid" channel, I'm Kmatt in there too.
I'll do that for sure. I'm Mzimzim there too.
Hehe im Cameronmills47 (fuuuuuuuuuu fail at naming lol) i need to play some practice games with people at my own skill level
On August 18 2012 01:46 Navane wrote: Yeah, the main thing wich i find so much better in sc2 (sorry dont wanna start a compare flame war) is finding games. That part is still kind a buggy in bw (also with the latency issue..)
i disagree, if you are on fish you have game in seconds, and you can pick one mu/map to train on instead of random ladder.
Hey, im starting to get the basics down, but one of my big issues come when its late game, im not sure what unit compersitions to go as, as Zerg against P and T. Can any one help ?
as for late game vs p its hard, most of the time you stick to mass hydra and maby some lurks while your gearing up for ultraling comp. vs t you wanna have defiler X. that does the job
On August 20 2012 02:25 Merfyn wrote: Hey, im starting to get the basics down, but one of my big issues come when its late game, im not sure what unit compersitions to go as, as Zerg against P and T. Can any one help ?
you can go Lurker, Ling, Defiler, some Scorge vs vessel/obs/corsair/drops and if you can afford them Ultras. However there are also other possiblities like Hydra Lurker. I'd say watch some VOD's and experiment a bit.
Lurkers are not worth it in the late game if you are new and have trouble controlling big armies. blow all your gas on ultras and make all the rest of your larva on lings. As you get better at managing an army you can then start to incorporate some defilers too.
On August 20 2012 02:25 Merfyn wrote: Hey, im starting to get the basics down, but one of my big issues come when its late game, im not sure what unit compersitions to go as, as Zerg against P and T. Can any one help ?
Vs Protoss you can turtle on 4 bases with lurker spore sunken until hive, and then go ultralisk defiler zergling. Watch some old EffOrt ZvP games to see this style.
You can also go for an aggressive hydralisk / mutalisk / lurker style. Which units you make and when depend on the Protoss. But this style is in my opinon harder for a beginner. There are so many things to consider. Can you go mutalisks to snipe the templar? Only if he doesn't have enough corsairs. And it's hard to know when to do it. When do you research ventral sacs to drop his main? And when do you start going lurker hydra ling instead of pure hydra? And finally, when, if ever, do you transition in to hive? When do you transition out of the aggressive mid game to make drones and expand? If he gets up cannons at an expo a little too early, you could be screwed, too.
The turtle style on the other hand is always the same thing - just identify what attack he is planning to do (if any) and defend until hive. Then get aggressive vs his army with dark swarm + plague, and start destroying expansions with dark swarm. Ultralisks and zerglings under dark swarm are very good vs protoss. You also have some lurkers left over that you can use. If spread out, they are very good under dark swarm.
On August 20 2012 02:25 Merfyn wrote: Hey, im starting to get the basics down, but one of my big issues come when its late game, im not sure what unit compersitions to go as, as Zerg against P and T. Can any one help ?
It generally depends on the late game-state. If the Protoss has secured a lot of gas and is playing defensively with a gas heavy composition (Archons, Reavers, Storm, Corsairs, DTs comprising the bulk of his army) it can be very difficult to engage cost effectively. If you throw pure ultraling at that willy nilly it will be a waste, so you need guerilla tactics to deal damage. If his army is ground-based (an Archon core) you can pull him around with drops and swarm. Crackling/defiler drop his main, then his expos, and anywhere he hasn't defended. Lurker drop, guardian/scourge harass cliffs, and just generally chip at his infrastructure away from his army.
Composition wise you'll need to constantly make almost every unit. Cracklings to tear down army and buildings; Defilers to deny territory to Archons and Goons, negate cannons, plague air; Scourge to snipe obs, snipe shuttles, control air; Lurkers and Simcity to protect ground, harass; Guardians to cliff abuse ground compositions and certain expos; Hydras and speed Overlords to deny lategame mass DT/Sair compositions; Ultras to soak damage; Mutas and Devourers to hunt air.
It's similar vs Terran mech: you can't really just sit and make a certain unit composition with the exception of hoarding up some Queens. Regardless in both lategame matchups you should be constantly fighting with a dynamic range of units, and especially always have a Defiler presence.
However in PvZ if the Zerg ever does max with a robust economy and an extremely *gas-heavy* composition (Ultra Defiler Guardian Lurker Hydra Ling) the unlimited swarms, plagues, and ultras can rapidly grind away whatever ground based gas ball the P fields. Air play is different entirely.
EPT
) However, now that my exams are all done, i wanted to sit down and play some games, and here lies my problem...
I was playing a protoss and i was going mech like a baws. After about 20 minutes of macroing my heart out and struggling to get all my units in a control groups, I go to his base and he's chilling there with like 8 carriers. I've never played BW before this, but now I understand what idra meant when he said making carriers is a useful skill toi have. GG
