On June 25 2012 23:22 2Pacalypse- wrote: And now the BW will be reborn in China. Looking forward to following the scene next 13 years on shitty 240p streams and commentating in language I don't understand!
On June 26 2012 12:06 Woj wrote: Wow, pretty interesting.
Now maybe all the big BW Koreans will just move to China rather than to SC2 =P
The Chinese scene is alot smaller in terms of sponsorship than Korea or even foreign, partially because it's not seen as a legitimate past time or occupation by people from the 60s-70s (who are parents now) who don't allow their children to participate in them. Mostly because of the stigma against video games in China as the educational system is so rigid and strict and it's seen as detrimental for children to play games even as a past time, most parents (including mine) restrict if not outright not allow their children to play games during elementary to high school. And usually they see it as a waste of time going into university / work life any ways. People who are fervant about video games in China usually have to seek solidarity in small privately financed groups that barely get by and hope for corporate sponsorship which is few and far between; they also have to do so against social pressures to conform to a traditional education / work process, video games is simply not seen as a legitimate way of life by traditional parents from the 60s to 70s.
Most of the community leaders are people born in the 80s who are much more open about video games as their exposure to them were in high school / university when they had some degree of freedom, rather than the post-90s crowd now who are restricted by an aware parent generation due to the increasing stress and competitiveness of chinese schools and exams.
In short I don't see how Chinese (mainland) Esports can take off in the same way as of now, most SC2 progamers you see from China are either from taiwan / hongkong / coastal cities where there is the financial back ground / luxury to pursue these past times, or live in relative hardship when compared with foreign progamers like the ones at EG. It's almost unthinkeable to have a team house in China if you are just starting out as a progamer, even now most of the recognized progamers play from their homes and their clan prescence is via online rather than via same physical location. There would need to be a change in public mentality against the stigma of gamers.
Also major korean BW players are all trying to switch over to SC2 for financial stability, China's esports market is so volatile due to stigmas, pirating (adding to the seeming illegitimacy), and lack of regulation. I don't see KR progamers risking it to expand in China, unfortunately.
That being said "real" chinese gamers, i.e. ones connecting to the scene rather than just playing single player games they pirated from the internet (not saying that there's anything wrong with that other than the pirating), are very fervent and go out of their way to make things like this possible. So there is hope for domestic growth.
I doubt China will become the next Korea of BW. Chinese people just doesn't like to play RTS, they would rather be playing locally developed three kingdom related RPGs, shitty local MMOs/WOW and Dota/Dota-esque games instead. The only time the chinese got into a RTS was Warcraft III but no body else play the game outside of China/Lyn anymore.
On June 26 2012 13:27 jimmydu444 wrote: I doubt China will become the next Korea of BW. Chinese people just doesn't like to play RTS, they would rather be playing locally developed three kingdom related RPGs, shitty local MMOs/WOW and Dota/Dota-esque games instead. The only time the chinese got into a RTS was Warcraft III but no body else play the game outside of China/Lyn anymore.
dahhhhhh chinese people play rts' quite alot too, they play local mmos and other games mainly because they are FREE not because of the genre.
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On June 26 2012 12:06 Woj wrote: Wow, pretty interesting.
Now maybe all the big BW Koreans will just move to China rather than to SC2 =P
I'm sure they are just salivating over that $600 first place.
On a serious note I wish efforts like this would have happened years ago and with a more open policy towards non-Chinese. As of now I can't really say I enjoy the thought of travelling 6 years into the past. It's like reading about the Cuban BW scene: incredibly interesting but ultimately doesn't affect me in the slightest.
On June 26 2012 13:27 jimmydu444 wrote: I doubt China will become the next Korea of BW. Chinese people just doesn't like to play RTS, they would rather be playing locally developed three kingdom related RPGs, shitty local MMOs/WOW and Dota/Dota-esque games instead. The only time the chinese got into a RTS was Warcraft III but no body else play the game outside of China/Lyn anymore.
dahhhhhh chinese people play rts' quite alot too, they play local mmos and other games mainly because they are FREE not because of the genre.
Yeah, but all college aged people I know play Dota and Warcraft 3 rather than BW/SC2. Those scenes I believe are a lot bigger in China.
On June 26 2012 00:28 Arceus wrote: I dont know if it's a matter of taste or China is just late on following the trend. Wc3, BW and AoE2 all have their own huge community there. But unlike Korean BW, which lives on their profesionalism and legacy, these games are popular in China just because of easy piracy, low system requirement and guess what, no one else playing them outside of the mainland. Think Im a lil bit offtopic lol /my2cent
Yup. No one else besides a mere one billion mainlanders
For people who don't know any Chinese players, the Chinese Bnet attack was 1 of the most hilarious gaming show I've ever watched.
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Oh wow, this is the game where he learned that build that he used like... the next day vs Idra in TL's King of the Hill type thing. That's awesome :D
On June 26 2012 13:27 jimmydu444 wrote: I doubt China will become the next Korea of BW. Chinese people just doesn't like to play RTS, they would rather be playing locally developed three kingdom related RPGs, shitty local MMOs/WOW and Dota/Dota-esque games instead. The only time the chinese got into a RTS was Warcraft III but no body else play the game outside of China/Lyn anymore.
dahhhhhh chinese people play rts' quite alot too, they play local mmos and other games mainly because they are FREE not because of the genre.
Yeah, but all college aged people I know play Dota and Warcraft 3 rather than BW/SC2. Those scenes I believe are a lot bigger in China.
Because those games are alot more "friendly" and socialable than BW / SC2, the scene is alot more "casual" mannered because of the social stigma against professional gaming. They are definitely alot more wide spread, but I wouldn't call it "bigger" in terms of esports scene.
On June 26 2012 12:06 Woj wrote: Wow, pretty interesting.
Now maybe all the big BW Koreans will just move to China rather than to SC2 =P
The Chinese scene is alot smaller in terms of sponsorship than Korea or even foreign, partially because it's not seen as a legitimate past time or occupation by people from the 60s-70s (who are parents now) who don't allow their children to participate in them. Mostly because of the stigma against video games in China as the educational system is so rigid and strict and it's seen as detrimental for children to play games even as a past time, most parents (including mine) restrict if not outright not allow their children to play games during elementary to high school. And usually they see it as a waste of time going into university / work life any ways. People who are fervant about video games in China usually have to seek solidarity in small privately financed groups that barely get by and hope for corporate sponsorship which is few and far between; they also have to do so against social pressures to conform to a traditional education / work process, video games is simply not seen as a legitimate way of life by traditional parents from the 60s to 70s.
Most of the community leaders are people born in the 80s who are much more open about video games as their exposure to them were in high school / university when they had some degree of freedom, rather than the post-90s crowd now who are restricted by an aware parent generation due to the increasing stress and competitiveness of chinese schools and exams.
In short I don't see how Chinese (mainland) Esports can take off in the same way as of now, most SC2 progamers you see from China are either from taiwan / hongkong / coastal cities where there is the financial back ground / luxury to pursue these past times, or live in relative hardship when compared with foreign progamers like the ones at EG. It's almost unthinkeable to have a team house in China if you are just starting out as a progamer, even now most of the recognized progamers play from their homes and their clan prescence is via online rather than via same physical location. There would need to be a change in public mentality against the stigma of gamers.
Also major korean BW players are all trying to switch over to SC2 for financial stability, China's esports market is so volatile due to stigmas, pirating (adding to the seeming illegitimacy), and lack of regulation. I don't see KR progamers risking it to expand in China, unfortunately.
That being said "real" chinese gamers, i.e. ones connecting to the scene rather than just playing single player games they pirated from the internet (not saying that there's anything wrong with that other than the pirating), are very fervent and go out of their way to make things like this possible. So there is hope for domestic growth.
Didn't the chinese dota 1 teams have gaming houses? Afaik being a dota progamer in one of the top teams would net you a salary similar to what one would expect as a freashly graduated uni student. From what I have seen of chinese dota events, bw should stand a good chance of having a continuous league.
On June 26 2012 12:06 Woj wrote: Wow, pretty interesting.
Now maybe all the big BW Koreans will just move to China rather than to SC2 =P
The Chinese scene is alot smaller in terms of sponsorship than Korea or even foreign, partially because it's not seen as a legitimate past time or occupation by people from the 60s-70s (who are parents now) who don't allow their children to participate in them. Mostly because of the stigma against video games in China as the educational system is so rigid and strict and it's seen as detrimental for children to play games even as a past time, most parents (including mine) restrict if not outright not allow their children to play games during elementary to high school. And usually they see it as a waste of time going into university / work life any ways. People who are fervant about video games in China usually have to seek solidarity in small privately financed groups that barely get by and hope for corporate sponsorship which is few and far between; they also have to do so against social pressures to conform to a traditional education / work process, video games is simply not seen as a legitimate way of life by traditional parents from the 60s to 70s.
Most of the community leaders are people born in the 80s who are much more open about video games as their exposure to them were in high school / university when they had some degree of freedom, rather than the post-90s crowd now who are restricted by an aware parent generation due to the increasing stress and competitiveness of chinese schools and exams.
In short I don't see how Chinese (mainland) Esports can take off in the same way as of now, most SC2 progamers you see from China are either from taiwan / hongkong / coastal cities where there is the financial back ground / luxury to pursue these past times, or live in relative hardship when compared with foreign progamers like the ones at EG. It's almost unthinkeable to have a team house in China if you are just starting out as a progamer, even now most of the recognized progamers play from their homes and their clan prescence is via online rather than via same physical location. There would need to be a change in public mentality against the stigma of gamers.
Also major korean BW players are all trying to switch over to SC2 for financial stability, China's esports market is so volatile due to stigmas, pirating (adding to the seeming illegitimacy), and lack of regulation. I don't see KR progamers risking it to expand in China, unfortunately.
That being said "real" chinese gamers, i.e. ones connecting to the scene rather than just playing single player games they pirated from the internet (not saying that there's anything wrong with that other than the pirating), are very fervent and go out of their way to make things like this possible. So there is hope for domestic growth.
Didn't the chinese dota 1 teams have gaming houses? Afaik being a dota progamer in one of the top teams would net you a salary similar to what one would expect as a freashly graduated uni student. From what I have seen of chinese dota events, bw should stand a good chance of having a continuous league.
most chinese people play mobas / custom WC3 maps because it's seen as casual / sociable and less intense than competitive RTS, so alot more people got into it than BW. WC3 and Dota in China is equivalent to BW in KR, but again usually students are told by parents to study for graduating at a top uni rather than gaming, and if their grades were bad parents often blamed video games and didn't let them play any ways.
You also have to realize that the salary for a freshly graduated uni student in china is on the level of lower-middle class, it's really not a sustaineable solution for forming a family, all traditional chinese parents aim for the long run. There is definitely money in esports in china, but it's not seen as legitimate.
Good luck to the Chinese BW players! Reviving BW will take years, probably another decade, but I'll give them my support until there's a legit proscene again, when retired korean pros decide to migrate to China.
On June 25 2012 23:22 2Pacalypse- wrote: And now the BW will be reborn in China. Looking forward to following the scene next 13 years on shitty 240p streams and commentating in language I don't understand!
So nothing will change?
NO KPOP! I got into korean music because of BW in korea . Cpop time?
On June 26 2012 17:41 NicksonReyes wrote: Good luck to the Chinese BW players! Reviving BW will take years, probably another decade, but I'll give them my support until there's a legit proscene again, when retired korean pros decide to migrate to China.
On June 25 2012 23:22 2Pacalypse- wrote: And now the BW will be reborn in China. Looking forward to following the scene next 13 years on shitty 240p streams and commentating in language I don't understand!
So nothing will change?
NO KPOP! I got into korean music because of BW in korea . Cpop time?
lol cpop, doesn't even exists. I joke about the lack of value in kpop / jpop but man, cpop doesnt even exist, i'm chinese and I don't even know what cpop is supposed to be.
Imagine if this is the new beginning for the best game ever made. Imagine if in 3-5 years we will have a scene as developped as the Korean once was... One can always hope.