On May 06 2012 20:20 chrisolo wrote: I will probably quit gaming completely after BW dies.
Tried SC2 from Beta, it sucked, so well yea, all the good things come to an end.
You played a game you thought sucked for 2 years? Oo
I never said I am still playing it Oo That is why I am in the Broodwar Forums Oo
I played it about 1,5 years tho. I thought it is going to get better. I ll probably gonna play again a bit for HotS and then for LotV, but I do not think it will change so much that my oppinion about SC2 will get better.
Fine, you played a game you thought sucked for 1,5 years? Oo That must have been horrible for you. Why would you put yourself through that? Or maybe you played it in the beta and still think that the game is exactly like that.
On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote: Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me...
I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die.
No offense but do you seriously think Artosis and Tasteless can find jobs outside the progaming world with their highschool diplomas during a time when college graduates are struggling to find jobs? Artosis also has to feed his daughter.
IdrA has always said BW is the better game. When IdrA and Incontrol commentate a GSTL match on stream, IdrA said he wanted to watch the OSL finals instead of the GSL Season 4 finals when he was in Korea, but had to stay in GOM for some audition for his next season. He was ranting how MKP vs MVP was "fucking horrible" and Stork vs Fantasy was a much better finals.
The difference between IdrA and Tastosis is that Tastosis are casters and they have to praise how great of a game SC2 is to get paid.
I think you misinterpreted my post. I don't have a problem with Day[9] & Co. jumping on the SC2 bandwagon. All things considered, it was the best decision they could've made (career-wise). The problem I have is due to the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, and since SC2's release, Day[9] has not once mentioned the pro gaming scene in Korea. It would not have hurt him in the slighest to say something like, "Oh hey, for those of you who never played BW but are perhaps looking to get into it, be sure to catch *this* match-up (Flash vs. Jaedong or whatever) later today."
Also, for those of you with good memory, I'm curious about something. Now, my memory is very hazy as I wasn't fully paying attention, so you'll have to excuse the following: I recall Day[9] jokingly stating "And that Brood War game which none of you care about anymore."
I seriously did not and do not understand why he would make such a statement. =/ It felt as though he was belittling the game just because a sequel to that game was released, or that he had the impression that everyone else jumped on the SC2 bandwagon the same way he did, which is and was not the case. =\ Again, I wasn't fully paying attention, so I'm probably missing something.
Screw Day9. He, like many others, are just cheap sellouts who only care about getting more views on youtube. Only Nuke, Dejavu, Klazart?, ranshin and a few i don't remember off the top of my head actually cared about BW.
On May 10 2012 11:59 Release wrote: Screw Day9. He, like many others, are just cheap sellouts who only care about getting more views on youtube. Only Nuke, Dejavu, Klazart?, ranshin and a few i don't remember off the top of my head actually cared about BW.
I would agree. I miss the old day9, as well as Gretorp. They were very solid and knowledgeable and then after SC2 they just tried being personalities. I can't stand watching day9 past like 100, he just turned super spazed out and hyper.
On May 10 2012 11:59 Release wrote: Screw Day9. He, like many others, are just cheap sellouts who only care about getting more views on youtube.
This is highly offensive to someone who has been a part of this community for years:
Tell me that's not love for BW.
You can't hold it against him that he saw potential in another game and switched over at release/beta. Everyone wanted SC2 to be a better game.
Maybe it didn't achieve that, but it definitely grew a scene that had been stagnating in the world outside of Korea. He has played a big part in making esports more legitimate in the eyes of the public than ever. There is nothing wrong with his involvement in that.
The real issue here: you're sour that BW is going away.
I am too.
It pains me to see what's becoming of Proleague right now. It feels like a perversion of something I loved. It sucks I know.
But... it doesn't give any of us the license to slander, or worse, blame, the community members who have devoted their lives to something they love.
I don't think you can really blame Day[9] for not doing Broodwar dailies. Serious reasons aside (I'll ignore them for the purposes of this post) - the loudest reaction coming out of the Broodwar community would be how terrible his non-Broodwar dailies are. There would be also some portions of his current audience as well that would be sad about being forcibly forced to watch Broodwar, but they should be used to content outside SC2 now and then and seem to be generally fine with it.
A bit more on topic - I'm sure many of you will be fine after the BW scene quiets down - there are plenty of games you can compare SC2 to and claim how much inferior SC2 is compared to them (League of Legends, Dota2, Counter Strike: Global Offensive for example). It'll just be a bit more difficult probably.
On May 10 2012 11:18 Masheyoon wrote: The problem I have is due to the fact that, to the best of my knowledge, and since SC2's release, Day[9] has not once mentioned the pro gaming scene in Korea. It would not have hurt him in the slighest to say something like, "Oh hey, for those of you who never played BW but are perhaps looking to get into it, be sure to catch *this* match-up (Flash vs. Jaedong or whatever) later today."
.....You are aware there is an entire drinking game revolving around Day[9]'s inability to go three sentences without mentioning BW?
You can't hold it against him that he saw potential in another game and switched over at release/beta. Everyone wanted SC2 to be a better game.
Maybe it didn't achieve that, but it definitely grew a scene that had been stagnating in the world outside of Korea. He has played a big part in making esports more legitimate in the eyes of the public than ever. There is nothing wrong with his involvement in that.
The real issue here: you're sour that BW is going away.
I am too.
It pains me to see what's becoming of Proleague right now. It feels like a perversion of something I loved. It sucks I know.
But... it doesn't give any of us the license to slander, or worse, blame, the community members who have devoted their lives to something they love.
I would say that day9 and the others chose esports instead of brood war. and I think esports is dumb and I wish they didn't do that :\. maybe one day in the future there will be another game that is actually as good as bw, but that will be a long ways away.
in fact my new life goal in a post-BW world: make an RTS game that is as good as bw. I'm a game designer so that isn't as far-fetched as it might sound
You can't hold it against him that he saw potential in another game and switched over at release/beta. Everyone wanted SC2 to be a better game.
Maybe it didn't achieve that, but it definitely grew a scene that had been stagnating in the world outside of Korea. He has played a big part in making esports more legitimate in the eyes of the public than ever. There is nothing wrong with his involvement in that.
The real issue here: you're sour that BW is going away.
I am too.
It pains me to see what's becoming of Proleague right now. It feels like a perversion of something I loved. It sucks I know.
But... it doesn't give any of us the license to slander, or worse, blame, the community members who have devoted their lives to something they love.
The problem with current Esports is that everyone chants Boxer, Nada, ESPORTS, "i hope BW die finally" in 1 sentence which sums up the whole irony about the SC2 community. When finally E-sports happen (not Tl propagated ESPORTS) we will get rid of fake and PR circus and people will start recognize whats important and reward people for work done not for being funny or witty or being BW legend. Then everyone will be ok with that, even some of the "BW elitists" i guess.
Im not BW elitist by any means but anyone with working brain should know SC2 in first 2 years was just milking away the bubble(there was a niche in western market which any content with Starcraft in its name could simply take), the real test will happen in 1-2-3 years and you will have to fight with content not fanciness that is when SC2 community (aka ESPORTS community) will finally grow. And i can understand people who would call Day9 sell-out(it may be slightly to harsh tough), and your post is kinda a proof to that statement. Its completely understandable to why people like Day9 or tasteless do what they do and probably most of us in their place would do the same, still you cant really outweight word "love" with "look hes improving the sc2 community" aka "the end justifies the means".
I hope PR circus will end, and we will have Final Edits, less Reddit wars, more "tasteless is bad" and no one will be crucified for saying this. I understand a BW elitists, its like watching good BW game and going into even the best SC2 games played its far cry difference, same as rewatching wcg 2009 Tastosis cast like PJ vs Bisu and watching GSL tastosis. But ye, we are doing it all for growth of west, yet still everyone spits on that because half of decision making people are more interested in milking that free money with announecent of annoucement instead of making infrastructure for players to grow in their home countries. We are at least years behind Korea and only sustainable way of being decent is to live in other country having language and cultural barrier and working even harder than them. But ye lets focus on different aspects, sadly no one cares if SC2 will repeat BW history its more interesting to build up some short lasting hype with ESPORTS chants.
wow harsh on day9...i dont get how u can hate him, just casue of sc2 dailys? what...day9 was part of the bw scene for sooo damn long, and was a super good player, with an amazing apm(at the time he was one of the fastest) and understanding of the game.
and him doing sc2 dailys isnt really his fault or makes him bad, did u instantly know around the beta that sc2 would be "bad", he switched because starcraft is his fav game and a sequel had come out, so he wanted to try it and explore it, and he got immersed in scene and i remember him saying during an old sc2 daily that he had watch every bw match from 2009 to 2011 (early) so he never really abandoned bw nor do i think that he doesnt come to TL and click around on the bw section or not watch the bw games. You cant view everything he does off his dailys...
On May 10 2012 11:59 Release wrote: Screw Day9. He, like many others, are just cheap sellouts who only care about getting more views on youtube. Only Nuke, Dejavu, Klazart?, ranshin and a few i don't remember off the top of my head actually cared about BW.
And thats how a saint becomes a villian. Human nature is truly scary.
It is indeed terribly painful to watch all the BW dailies and podcasts only to realize how much more awesome BW content we could get if it wasn't for the switch.
Still, it is unforgivable to hate on him for that or call him a sellout. He even recorded a video where he specifically explains what he likes more in BW than in SC2 and what he would like to see introduced in the game. If anything, we should be glad it's Day[9] with his influence out there and hope that the SC2 community will eventually ask for and get a better game.
On May 10 2012 11:59 Release wrote: Screw Day9. He, like many others, are just cheap sellouts who only care about getting more views on youtube. Only Nuke, Dejavu, Klazart?, ranshin and a few i don't remember off the top of my head actually cared about BW.
How dare you. I was upset that Day[9] stopped making BW dailies as well, but calling him a cheap sellout after all he's done for the community is awful slander and does not help people either to move on or to deal with the pain of no more BW. You really just sound like a colossal douchebag.
I agree. I want Day[9] to do BW dailies again like anyone else, but I think it's appropriate to just have respect for people who chose one game over the other. It's their personal decision.
And I'm saying this even as a BW elitist. Day[9] contributed so much to this community. The original 100 dailies, podcasts, casts. Calling him a "sell-out" when he's done so much for this community is really disconcerting.
You can't hold it against him that he saw potential in another game and switched over at release/beta. Everyone wanted SC2 to be a better game.
Maybe it didn't achieve that, but it definitely grew a scene that had been stagnating in the world outside of Korea. He has played a big part in making esports more legitimate in the eyes of the public than ever. There is nothing wrong with his involvement in that.
The real issue here: you're sour that BW is going away.
I am too.
It pains me to see what's becoming of Proleague right now. It feels like a perversion of something I loved. It sucks I know.
But... it doesn't give any of us the license to slander, or worse, blame, the community members who have devoted their lives to something they love.
I would say that day9 and the others chose esports instead of brood war. and I think esports is dumb and I wish they didn't do that :\. maybe one day in the future there will be another game that is actually as good as bw, but that will be a long ways away.
in fact my new life goal in a post-BW world: make an RTS game that is as good as bw. I'm a game designer so that isn't as far-fetched as it might sound
I'm studying/working on to be a game programmer and I have the same goal too.:p
Edit: once Kespa's fully done with BW we should petition them and the teams to release every single BW replay they ever had.
On May 10 2012 21:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: Edit: once Kespa's fully done with BW we should petition them and the teams to release every single BW replay they ever had.
in fact my new life goal in a post-BW world: make an RTS game that is as good as bw. I'm a game designer so that isn't as far-fetched as it might sound
I love the people complaining that a service that could be offered to them is not being offered. If you love BW dailies why don't you start making them yourself? I'm sure lots of people would watch it , if you're interesting enough.
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That warmed my heart. 
