EPTI heard there were different servers. And what not, like iccup. I would like to join iccup because I heard a lot about hacks on normal battlenet ladder. Can you guys please help me get started on everything I need to know about sc:BW? <3
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
I heard there were different servers. And what not, like iccup. I would like to join iccup because I heard a lot about hacks on normal battlenet ladder. Can you guys please help me get started on everything I need to know about sc:BW? <3 | ||
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hYdrA-MeNo
Mexico344 Posts
dl there anti hack thing and then go to liquipedia and search for build just like in sc2 and watch day9 80 and under they are mostly bw | ||
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SYGY
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
To host games you may need to portfoward your router. Being able to host a game will make your life much much easier to find games. There is a guide somewhere on TL, but I can't seem to find it... | ||
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fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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rift
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 Write down or memorize them. Remember, mechanics>all in the early stages; keep your APM up and macro/micro sharp and the builds will feel more and more routine, allowing you to focus on stragy/decisions. Try to find someone to play with at your level, it will keep you motivated much longer.http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy | ||
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 06 2012 16:32 leperphilliac wrote: I'm not exactly sure where to ask this but I'm going to add this to your post because pretty sure this is not new-thread-worthy. Can one play UMS maps on ICCup, and if so is it active? I lost my copy of broodwar many years ago and can't seem to find it anymore. Yeah, occasionally you will see micro-tournament/BGH/Fastest just make sure to host them as Use Map Settings instead of one on one  . | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On April 06 2012 16:55 konadora wrote: you need to portforward to host games, remember that! I know alot of people (ME!!) would love a mini guide for people who donnu have to do it :p | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 06 2012 17:58 Iplaythings wrote: I know alot of people (ME!!) would love a mini guide for people who donnu have to do it :p http://portforward.com/ Detailed tutorials with screenshots for every model of router ! Just need to remeber that the port to map is 6112 for both TCP and UDP. It only gets tricky when there are two people with the same public IP who want to join the same game. | ||
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[AthruN]
Australia25 Posts
most of the people left on iccup are trash and fish is too hard for you but op team liquid good | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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CosmicHippo
United States547 Posts
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MZR
United States41 Posts
T - 2-3 rax Marine/Medic/Firebat rush Z - 4-pool rush (not very often) Z - 3 hatch hydra/lurker P - 4-gate zealot (not even +1 speedzeal, just straight) P - DT rush (only sends 1, not very often) P - 12 Nexus (rarely) Anyway, against the AI, you'll get some speed and mechanics - use it especially to work on micro. Sooner or later, find a human opponent (someone else can tell you about that - the good news is I can play by LAN at least) | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 06 2012 22:25 MZR wrote: Ahhh, memories. I remember the first time the AI 4-pooled me. Why I wound up choosing Protoss (Forge 1st FE just to counter that.) The AI only does 6 openings total for all three races, which are: T - 2-3 rax Marine/Medic/Firebat rush Z - 4-pool rush (not very often) Z - 3 hatch hyrda/lurker P - 4-gate zealot (not even +1 speedzeal, just straight) P - DT rush (only sends 1, not very often) P - 12 Nexus (rarely) Anyway, against the AI, you'll get some speed and mechanics - use it especially to work on micro. Sooner or later, find a human opponent (someone else can tell you about that - the good news is I can play by LAN at least) I've seen a forge fast expand too, but builds the forge in the main. I've seen some crazy advanced stuff, way ahead of 1998 metagame. Actually I freaked out when I saw AI do FFE after I started doing it on iccup, i thought it was learning my builds or something. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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MZR
United States41 Posts
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MZR
United States41 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:17 sluggaslamoo wrote: I've seen a forge fast expand too, but builds the forge in the main. I've seen some crazy advanced stuff, way ahead of 1998 metagame. Actually I freaked out when I saw AI do FFE after I started doing it on iccup, i thought it was learning my builds or something. True that, it seems the AI is most varied playing as protoss. All the same, it has some disadvantages. The AI: 1 - never scouts 2 - never adjusts BO to account for you 3 - attacks predictably, with no micro (If you survive the first eight minutes and have a decent economy, you will wail on the poor machine every time) 4 - never walls in 5 - never suspects traps (one that I've done, it's cheese but I like it: send 7 probe to scout and build a pylon just outside your natural. 8 probe build forge and 2 photon cannons. When scout finds opponent, attack a worker. The rest of the workers will bullrush, so send the scout back toward your natural, and the cannons will come up just in time to take them.) A human would never fall for this kind of junk. So as before, sooner or later you hit a ceiling against the machine. Play humans any time you can... | ||
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Scarbo
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Terran: if you like to work harder than your opponent to achieve the same result, play T. Expect to lose to lesser players, specially P. Best mirror match-up IMO. Best music and unit sounds too. Protoss: easier to play mechanically, boring music and unit sounds. Zerg: reasonable challenge, race-design-wise so different it's almost like playing a different game. Cool game though, best of luck to you. I suggest you join sGs since there's a lot of noobs and also some good players that are willing to help with practice and such. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On April 07 2012 01:59 Scarbo wrote: I came back to BW about 2 months ago and after about 400 games vs humans my experience so far is: Terran: if you like to work harder than your opponent to achieve the same result, play T. Expect to lose to lesser players, specially P. Best mirror match-up IMO. Best music and unit sounds too. Protoss: easier to play mechanically, boring music and unit sounds. Zerg: reasonable challenge, race-design-wise so different it's almost like playing a different game. Cool game though, best of luck to you. I suggest you join sGs since there's a lot of noobs and also some good players that are willing to help with practice and such. omg is this so true. It feels so good though once you get D+ and up! Sometimes I want to punch my screen while playing TvP. I set up a decent mine field only to have lamelots..errr speedlots mine drag right onto my tanks. | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On April 07 2012 03:13 Silentness wrote: omg is this so true. It feels so good though once you get D+ and up! Sometimes I want to punch my screen while playing TvP. I set up a decent mine field only to have lamelots..errr speedlots mine drag right onto my tanks. I wonder why it's always the Terran players that think their race is hard. Is it because of TvP? If you played ZvT, then you will see Zerg has to work harder. Delaying the enemy push with mutas only, secure and defend the third successfully, holding of marine drops in all bases while at the same time coping with marine squads which dodge swarm. On April 07 2012 03:26 SYGY wrote: Thanks so much guys! is there anything that can get me caught up? I'm gonna play terran. :D I've decided, I destroyed Protoss AI, with mass vulture, quick spider mines with siege tanks as well. :D I'm not gonna say Im good but i need to improve a lot! >,< any terrans that can help me? Man this is like me playing sc2 from the start (BW is my second RTS and SC2 is my second) Do you use Vulture Patrol Micro? It's great fun. | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Scarbo
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On April 07 2012 03:30 blubbdavid wrote: I wonder why it's always the Terran players that think their race is hard. Is it because of TvP? If you played ZvT, then you will see Zerg has to work harder. Delaying the enemy push with mutas only, secure and defend the third successfully, holding of marine drops in all bases while at the same time coping with marine squads which dodge swarm. Do you use Vulture Patrol Micro? It's great fun. I disagree that Z has to work harder in TvZ. It's pretty equal in terms of micro, up until ultras come into play at least. While its true that muta micro, burrowing shit and defending drops is hard, it's also hard to do multi-drops, keep ur marines together so they dont get sniped by mutas while at the same time walking towards zerg base/3rd, and stimming/falling back when lurkers come. When DS comes into play, it's even more micro intensive for both sides. Also having medics near marines and protecting Science Vessels, defending from ling run-bys and shit... | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On April 07 2012 05:08 SYGY wrote: Holy crap, terran sounds hard... >,< ugh w/e, I'll just go mass mech. Don't. You may win some games, but Zergs will absolutely hate you. MechvZ is more noobish than Protoss. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
Don't be discouraged either, BW isn't easy | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On April 07 2012 06:26 Phyrigian wrote: Op teamliquid or ladder d? Ladder d is full of people who dont speak english. and op teamliquid full of people who are afk Maybe try it with clan sgs (don't know the full channelname though) Clan sgs is a beginner clan. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On April 07 2012 05:12 blubbdavid wrote: Don't. You may win some games, but Zergs will absolutely hate you. MechvZ is more noobish than Protoss. what? no it isnt, i find mech harder than bio and i was B rank | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
But for rela Mech > everything On low-level, you have to be significantly better than your opponent to overcome mech. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On April 07 2012 06:35 blubbdavid wrote: I am a whinig zerg. But for rela Mech > everything On low-level, you have to be significantly better than your opponent to overcome mech. well my mech vs z was terribad anyhow, with bio i could beat A- zergs and with mech i could barely win vs C ranked zergs | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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SYGY
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Phyrigian
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France1158 Posts
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United States1482 Posts
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:29 SYGY wrote: I'm horrible... >,< I can only win against AI. I can only win against AIs too lol. And only when all 3 of them are of the same race. Anymore than that, I can't bring myself to formulate a coherent plan to follow. | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Obelisco
Peru1962 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:29 SYGY wrote: I'm horrible... >,< I can only win against AI. lol dont get frustrated. BW is a really hard game and especially if you start as Terran. It took me quite a while to get a win on iccup. Prob you should watch a pro match to get a general idea of how the match ups are played. | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:52 SYGY wrote: you 1v3...? It really depends on the map itself. For example in Outsider, I would 1 vs 2 since there can only be 3 players while in maps like Fortress or Empire of the Sun, I would go 1 vs 3. But sometime a simple 1 vs 1 on HeartBreak Ridge is a nice change of pace. | ||
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slytown
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
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SYGY
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On April 07 2012 06:35 blubbdavid wrote: I am a whinig zerg. But for rela Mech > everything On low-level, you have to be significantly better than your opponent to overcome mech. Meh my Bio was way better than mech unless you could catch them with early vultures and do some damage, or they didnt know how to play vs vultures running all over like they do vs protoss | ||
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SYGY
Canada88 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 10 2012 01:21 SYGY wrote: Wait, Bio is easier than Mech? :O With Bio, you can apply pressure more easily to a Zerg player than Mech. Mech have mobility issues in which Bio does not. Honestly if the Terran scout that the Zerg is teching into Mutas instead of Lurkers, put your whole bio force into a massive clump and march accross the map. The Muta/Ling won't be able to do shit against you assuming that you have a sizable force. With Mech, it is much easier to deflect off as a Zerg that as long as they have overlord spread at key location and being careful while locating their army, the Terran would not have the opportunity to do any damage with Vultures. And when a Zerg get a third base unharassed or undamaged, the result have already been settled. The only real trouble of going Bio is the Turret timing. To get the timing right, make sure that the scans are available. Basically scan the hatchery in which it is the closest to the morphing Spire. If their spire is almost done, look for their larvae count. When they are saving larvaes, it usually means they are also saving gas to make Mutas. As the Spire finishes, that's your cue to construct Turrets. You shouldn't just build Turret at any locations. Here is a nice guide to the Turret's placement: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Counter_To_Mutalisk_Harass Now that you have deflected the initial mutas to hinder your economy, immediately tech to siege tanks and science vessels. Get around 3 tanks, and 1 vessel. Afterward, do everything you can to break the Zerg's third. Here is an good VOD of the timing: | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:52 SYGY wrote: you 1v3...? 1v7 is better. :D | ||
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supbros
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andReslic
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I'm D :D but im bad btw | ||
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emjaytron
Australia544 Posts
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
Played BW for 5 years but never really melee'd, I'm a horrible melee player lulz. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
THE MORE THE MERRIER !!!!!!!! | ||
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
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Relewa
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Demonhunter04
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On April 07 2012 03:13 Silentness wrote: omg is this so true. It feels so good though once you get D+ and up! Sometimes I want to punch my screen while playing TvP. I set up a decent mine field only to have lamelots..errr speedlots mine drag right onto my tanks. I disagree, Z has the best unit sounds and music. On April 07 2012 03:30 blubbdavid wrote: I wonder why it's always the Terran players that think their race is hard. Is it because of TvP? If you played ZvT, then you will see Zerg has to work harder. Delaying the enemy push with mutas only, secure and defend the third successfully, holding of marine drops in all bases while at the same time coping with marine squads which dodge swarm. Bio TvZ is the most mechanically challenging MU in the game, isn't it? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On April 07 2012 06:35 blubbdavid wrote: I am a whinig zerg. But for rela Mech > everything On low-level, you have to be significantly better than your opponent to overcome mech. I have a lot of problems vs mech terran as a zerg (D+/C-). We don't have any special mechanics that pros have and big mistake mech terran does to lose game is unsiege. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:40 Demonhunter04 wrote: I disagree, Z has the best unit sounds and music. Bio TvZ is the most mechanically challenging MU in the game, isn't it? Without a doubt. The micro is what makes it so hard. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
Play Zerg and rage at how your 3rd gets killed. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
I love BW, and I know if I come back, I will be destroyed for the first 50 games or so since before I quit I am only a D/D+ noob. People, give me a reason to come back !!! | ||
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LEGAsee
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On April 19 2012 11:55 Caphe wrote: Fuk, reading this make me want to get back to BW. Was playing BW on and off from 2001, follow Korean pro scene for a long time. Be a traitor and joined the SC2 forces, get bored with it and quit like 6 months ago. Mainly play LoL now. I love BW, and I know if I come back, I will be destroyed for the first 50 games or so since before I quit I am only a D/D+ noob. People, give me a reason to come back !!! Because even when you get stomped all over it's a fantastic time :D!!!!!!! | ||
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:55 Caphe wrote: Fuk, reading this make me want to get back to BW. Was playing BW on and off from 2001, follow Korean pro scene for a long time. Be a traitor and joined the SC2 forces, get bored with it and quit like 6 months ago. Mainly play LoL now. I love BW, and I know if I come back, I will be destroyed for the first 50 games or so since before I quit I am only a D/D+ noob. People, give me a reason to come back !!! Heres a simple reason. Many active tournaments are going on and many are about to get the finals. There are also a handful of casters myself included in the Brood War scene. PsyonicReaver, SayleBW just to name a few. Many tournament go on iCCup if your interested. I believe there are still a handful of semi and ex pro's that are laddering on Fish Server. Devoted community to continue to make Brood War alive. Many similar faces will keep on coming up and up the more you get involved with the scene. The Pro League just finished and is was Biso Vs. Flash amazing game. All English commentary can be found @ Sayle's YouTube if your interested. He casted the whole Pro League in English just for viewers like us. Also that will give you ideas for builds and such. Your more then welcome to come to Brood War. However, it will be a long road to become a decent player. Also LoL skills don't really translate well into 1v1 (1x1) RTS games like Starcraft | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On April 19 2012 11:55 Caphe wrote: Fuk, reading this make me want to get back to BW. Was playing BW on and off from 2001, follow Korean pro scene for a long time. Be a traitor and joined the SC2 forces, get bored with it and quit like 6 months ago. Mainly play LoL now. I love BW, and I know if I come back, I will be destroyed for the first 50 games or so since before I quit I am only a D/D+ noob. People, give me a reason to come back !!! Since you already know you love BW you dont need other reasons, come back already! BW is still kicking after 14 years. | ||
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wcLLg
United States281 Posts
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[AthruN]
Australia25 Posts
On April 15 2012 03:17 Neurosis wrote: Without a doubt. The micro is what makes it so hard. TvZ is easy you just have to go to the location with all your barracks then you have to press m a bunch of times and sometimes you might have to change it up and even press c a few times i know that can be trouble but you have to eventually make more then 1 unit, but what comes out of these barracks are space marines, which are pretty much like a fusion of john rambo and dutch from predator | ||
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Cam Connor
Canada786 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 20 2012 05:56 cam connor wrote: bio tvz is so hard it sometimes makes me want to play zerg so i can have invincible units On April 20 2012 05:32 kade wrote: try controlling 36 mm and vessels while macroing and being aware vs lurker/ling/defiler then tell me tvz is easy you guys have obviously not try building any tanks. Once a Terran is able to get his fourth base running, they are immediately unbreakable with good alignment and competency. | ||
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Bulgaria284 Posts
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Kevinshi3
United States148 Posts
hope you find out where you fit in because I'm still a noob there | ||
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Germany6146 Posts
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
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Croatia1403 Posts
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Canada110 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 19 2012 18:09 [AthruN] wrote: TvZ is easy you just have to go to the location with all your barracks then you have to press m a bunch of times and sometimes you might have to change it up and even press c a few times i know that can be trouble but you have to eventually make more then 1 unit, but what comes out of these barracks are space marines, which are pretty much like a fusion of john rambo and dutch from predator Actually the marines are inspired from the movie aliens . Even the word outstanding from the movie made it into broodwar and basically you can say that starcraft universe was a mix of warhammer and aliens knowing blizzard back than love to burrow ideas from iconic movies at that time . Here's my favourite line from Aliens | ||
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duncan.mc
United States231 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:02 Sawamura wrote: Actually the marines are inspired from the movie aliens . Even the word outstanding from the movie made it into broodwar and basically you can say that starcraft universe was a mix of warhammer and aliens knowing blizzard back than love to burrow ideas from iconic movies at that time . Here's my favourite line from Aliens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY Haha, how many times are you planning on posting that video today? | ||
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btd978
United States17 Posts
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