EPTMatch Fixing Savior starts paid lessons - Page 3
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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-Kira
352 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:25 white_horse wrote: Pay to join his fanclub, pay to follow him, pay to get lessons from him: basically only the nutty and hardcore fans who don't really care about anything else remain. you can't really get any more pathetic than that Are you really whining about the price of FUCKING SAVIOR's lessons when SC2 pros take more money/hour? What the actual fuck? /insert shut up and take my money meme | ||
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sc2CruSha
United States105 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:59 -Kira wrote: Are you really whining about the price of FUCKING SAVIOR's lessons when SC2 pros take more money/hour? What the actual fuck? /insert shut up and take my money meme love this post :D Wish I still played broodwar and understood korean T_T this would have been perfect =/ | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:40 figq wrote: You realize that this is an arbitrary/superficial association line? Is playing BW the same as being registered Kespa progamer, competing in Starleagues for great glory and money? You also need to use fingers to play, should he cut off all his fingers and never use them now? If a professional runner gets banned from professional running, should he cut off his legs and never use them again? The fact is, Savior teaching BW is perfectly legal, otherwise he would be in jail again already. He is allowed officially to do it, so why not do it. You don't like the guy, don't get into his lessons, that's all. Yes, so are most lines associated with fandom. No. No. No. I never said it was illegal. Idk why you're bringing these points up. I look at it like the Tim Donaghy scandal in the NBA. After he served his punishment, everyone would still be super pissed if he got a gig trying to ref a high school game. There comes a point when after you so heavily damage your industry that many (especially Koreans) just don't want to see your face again. Like it or not this shit happens in the real world. You think anyone would ever give Bernie Madoff a job in the finance industry even if he somehow got released? It is legal and is perfectly within his rights to do it. I'm not saying he should be locked up in a labor camp but my personal opinion is what he's doing is in poor taste. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:24 konadora wrote: such a good player, such a terrible person | ||
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Thehummel
Denmark122 Posts
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Reyis
287 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 30 2012 00:03 Condor Hero wrote: I look at it like the Tim Donaghy scandal in the NBA. After he served his punishment, everyone would still be super pissed if he got a gig trying to ref a high school game. There comes a point when after you so heavily damage your industry that many (especially Koreans) just don't want to see your face again. Like it or not this shit happens in the real world. You think anyone would ever give Bernie Madoff a job in the finance industry even if he somehow got released? It is legal and is perfectly within his rights to do it. I'm not saying he should be locked up in a labor camp but my personal opinion is what he's doing is in poor taste. This is the kind of attitude that makes the American legal system a piece of trash. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard. 75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal. The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further. | ||
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ymir233
United States8275 Posts
The title "Match Fixing sAviOr" is slightly annoying though. Most everybody and their mothers should know at least those three words without someone putting it in their faces every time. I also don't like how he's trying to prevent VOD-sharing...it's not like someone's just gonna look at 3 sAviOr VODs and say "OK I learned everything". To improve with others' FPVODs takes a lot of ingraining after getting used to the same old things people do every game and I don't think sAviOr will lose much just by having VODs of other people randomly fucking up on the block. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I think this is good. How is it bad? Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard. 75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal. The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further. Yeah if you're okay with it it is an awesome value for a bonjwa to coach you. I wonder why nobody's signing up? Is it a lot of money for Koreans to pay for coaching? Even mid tier NA SC2 pros charge like $40~ right? | ||
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
Also drop the sensationalist title, Savior is Savior, we know what he has done and who he is. Don't disrespect him further. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Gotta say, I admire the spirit of this guy, many others would find themselves psychologically ruined for life, perhaps drunk and useless. Instead he tries to give back to the community in the only way left open for him. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Too bad he didn't switch to sc2. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On March 30 2012 00:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I think this is good. How is it bad? Progamers usually don't have high degrees and they must get by somehow. The match fixers have it especially hard. 75$ for 4,5hours of Savior teaching you, which you can divide with your friend, that's just sick good deal. The court punished the match fixers well enough, there's no need for me to judge them further. That's such a good deal TBH. If I understood Korean fluently, I would buy 2 hours of his time to just go back and forth with him about zvt. Yeah, he essentially participated in a serial fraud scheme, but I can't stay mad at the guy man, his zvt was so beast (and I'm sure it still is) and when I watch him on afreeca I get reminded of the bonjwa days. #freesavior <3 <3 On March 30 2012 00:24 figq wrote: Another thing to note - it's respectable that he didn't try to do this "underground". Which would have been still legal, of course, but when people found out that Savior is making money from "secret" private lessons, they would probably find it even more disturbing. Instead - he chooses to be absolutely transparent about it, and about his price, and even stream it officially. Gotta say, I admire the spirit of this guy, many others would find themselves psychologically ruined for life, perhaps drunk and useless. Instead he tries to give back to the community in the only way left open for him. Yeah man, I totally agree. Is this actually illegal by KR law? I thought his ban was simply to the extent of proleague and kespa. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On March 29 2012 23:16 OpticalShot wrote: Very, very disappointed. Savior was one of the core group involved in the scandal that triggered a huge crumble of the scene. Although arguable to some degree, his actions resulted in a dozen or so progamers and B-teamers losing their job and their career dreams. Moreover, it was openly admitted in the Adieu MBCGame program that Savior played an integral role in the eventual closing of MBCGame. On one hand, Savior is one hell of a cunning guy - he is still finding ways to milk the money out of the very business he destroyed himself. On the other hand, I can't imagine how much twisted evil thoughts reside in his mind... I'll take the one positive thing from this news and hopefully remember that one only - there are still fans excited enough about the legendary game of SCBW that they'd pay good money for lessons from a publicly denounced figure. You can be angry about what Savior did, but I think it's unfair to be angry at what Savior for what other players did. Everyone is responsible for themselves. A dozen or so other progamers got themselves involved, not Savior. If you're gonna blame Savior for getting them involved, let's go all the way up the ladder to the bad people Savior met that got him involved, k? Does that sounds stupid and make it seem like Savior wasn't responsible? That's why people have to be responsible for themselves. He was in jail for a year, probation for 2. That doesn't look good on your resume. Being self-employed like this is probably one of the few things he can really do to sustain himself. Does he repent in other ways? I don't know. We have very little of the full story, but I maintain that he made stupid mistakes and was too worried about being cool with bad groups of people. It's clear that Savior's actions contributed to the scandal, which in term contributed to troubled times for the scene, but neither were by themselves significant. As far as "twisted evil thoughts" ... Not much more twisted than the celebrities in every entertainment business who get rich fast, get involved with bad people, and ruin their careers. The only difference is that those industries see it as normal. | ||
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