"Just heard from Breakdown[pG] himself on ICQ that he and Fisheye[pG] have left their team, pro-gaming.de. Breakdown and Fisheye are notorious for their skills as Starcraft gamers in the German and world scenes. For years they have dominated German ladders, WGTour, and have accomplished so much in the SC:BW community. Fisheye has even recieved the Silver Medal at WCG 2003 with his heartbreaking loss to Ogogo in the finals.
Some info about the players, curtosy of Dinnin[pG]: Fisheye[pG] Name: Fredrik Keitel Country: Race: Aga: 20
Other: Member of German National Team
1st Place, WCG Germany 2001-2003 2nd Place, WCG 2003 4th Place, AMD PG Challenge 2003 1st Place, Giga Liga Grand Slam 2003 3rd Place, Giga Liga Grand Slam 2004
Breakdown[pG] Name: Christian Schäfer Country: Race: Aga: 20
Other: Member of German National Team
1st Place, WGTour Season 5 1st Place, ToT Tournament 1 BKC Winner Overall
I’m sure this is an intense blow to both the team, pG, and the German fans. Unexpectedly, they both plan on joining team ssv lehnitz (http://www.ssvlehnitz.de) which is a rapidly growing multigaming team. They have assured me that this has absolutely nothing to do with the recent clan war that was played, so it’s best to keep that thought out of your heads.
I will have an exclusive interview coming asap of Breakdown[pG] tomorrow! This is not only the end of an era (with pG), but a new beginning. Good luck to both of the players. I’m sure we all hope to see continuing success from both while in their new team!"
-Posted by rS.Troku[tC]
Two huge names leaving [pG]. That's a MASSIVE blow.
So be honest... who else read the title "Breakdown, Fisheye leave [pG]", and thought they'd click on the post only to have it followed with "and join the Templars of Twilight".
I view it as a good thing though... might prompt Fish/Break to play more actively, or maybe serve as somewhat of a wakeup call to any currently active pG members. It's always good when things get stirred up a little every now and then.
...did you wait for the page to load? They have a banner at the top with Fisheye and Breakdown's pictures and names, that leads to an article entitled "starcraft is born".
Well they lost many before their loss of the 2. I would say maybe it is time for Fisheye to "move on"? Fisheye was one of the first to join [pG] and has been in it ever since late 2000. I believe Kosh and Korn were with him when it was first made. He deserves respect for how long he has stood with the tag and what an amazing player he has become.
Everyone has to move on.. even though it is hard for people to at times.
Lets just hope Draco/Blackman/Dunaj and the others don't break apart.
As for Breakdown, I do not know him that well, of course he is a good player though, but I still think the biggest "Wow" is that fisheye is leaving the team..thats what most eyes are on..
On July 07 2005 19:38 IcedEarth wrote: Plenty. But I'm not sure if they (Break/Fishy or pG) want information leaked, not yet anyways. Sorry
It's ok, just get the massive rebuilding process undergoing... now!
I'll do what I can. This is such a tremendous blow to [pG].
But I think I know what did it for Fisheye. The fact of the matter is, he had an insatiable lust for my vult micro, and threw various fits when he finally figured out that I can kill any number of goons he could use to try to stop my vults.
Breakdown's reason for quitting is because I didn't flash him before I moved. It's true, it's true! Ask him ~
And whoever mentioned Dunaj a second ago, he quit bw. It seems he quit the internet all together as well. I haven't seen him on MSN since he first joined pG.
On July 07 2005 19:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: So be honest... who else read the title "Breakdown, Fisheye leave [pG]", and thought they'd click on the post only to have it followed with "and join the Templars of Twilight".
I feel this was indirectly caused by ToT... now they feel pG isn't the best non korean clan so why be there! omg i hate u ToT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On July 07 2005 19:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: So be honest... who else read the title "Breakdown, Fisheye leave [pG]", and thought they'd click on the post only to have it followed with "and join the Templars of Twilight".
On July 07 2005 19:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: So be honest... who else read the title "Breakdown, Fisheye leave [pG]", and thought they'd click on the post only to have it followed with "and join the Templars of Twilight".
On July 07 2005 19:46 EvilTeletubby wrote: So be honest... who else read the title "Breakdown, Fisheye leave [pG]", and thought they'd click on the post only to have it followed with "and join the Templars of Twilight".
seriously control do u have a brain? why would someone want to stay in a dying clan? and why is money a bad reason to leave one clan for another? i mean would u rather get something for FREE or not? you are just passing up an opportunity if you don't take what's offered to you. being in a clan means jack shit. you can be friends with everyone in the clan, play with them all the time, and not be in the clan, or u can do the EXACT SAME THING as a clan member. it makes no difference AT ALL. really i see the idea of teams as pretty useless, it's a damned individual 1v1 game so each person should do what's best for him/her.
On July 08 2005 02:12 FroZZoR wrote: seriously control do u have a brain? why would someone want to stay in a dying clan? and why is money a bad reason to leave one clan for another? i mean would u rather get something for FREE or not? you are just passing up an opportunity if you don't take what's offered to you. being in a clan means jack shit. you can be friends with everyone in the clan, play with them all the time, and not be in the clan, or u can do the EXACT SAME THING as a clan member. it makes no difference AT ALL. really i see the idea of teams as pretty useless, it's a damned individual 1v1 game so each person should do what's best for him/her.
On July 08 2005 02:12 FroZZoR wrote: seriously control do u have a brain? why would someone want to stay in a dying clan? and why is money a bad reason to leave one clan for another? i mean would u rather get something for FREE or not? you are just passing up an opportunity if you don't take what's offered to you. being in a clan means jack shit. you can be friends with everyone in the clan, play with them all the time, and not be in the clan, or u can do the EXACT SAME THING as a clan member. it makes no difference AT ALL. really i see the idea of teams as pretty useless, it's a damned individual 1v1 game so each person should do what's best for him/her.
Depends on what clan you join
oh and about topic, yeah I kinda knew since yesterday ;o
dont say "control you have a brain?" when i see two players who have been in a sponsored clan for years leave when the sponsorship drys up ok? If i have a grudge with it, so be it. Dont be the typical american and bm because i dont see things your way.
On July 08 2005 06:31 Berg_zerg wrote: interviews with Fisheye and Breakdown are on the clanpage. ( both in german )
they are planning to create a new BW squad for Lehnitz. ( former multigaming clan e2sports )
reason for leaving is that after the long time in PG they were hungry for something new
Lehnitz is a city in germany that officially accepts E-sport as normal Sport like soccer or Basketball.
thx for the explanation, i wondered about it, too!
and well pretty bad for pGs BW-squad, but they are very present in other e-sports. thus it won't hurt them THAT much, i believe-they didn't want to invest that much in Bw anyway...
On July 08 2005 08:00 b(O.o)p wrote: btw. i don't think fisheye would have joined ToT in a hundred years, he wouldn't be invited either (for individual reasons)!
im really curious who will be invited to this new BW team =) Mondi, Schnib or maybe it will be not only Ger team ;-] Draco, Advokat ? we will see.... ^_-
On July 08 2005 10:08 fanta[Rn] wrote: Fisheye Breakdown Advokate keNka Draco Gentleman
Advokate has the skills , but i bet that team is doing a german all stars team. Kenka isnt even close of the level the guys you named here have. Draco is polish , but of course if they accept foreigner , it would be a damn good recruit. Gentleman is retired as i remember.
On July 08 2005 10:08 fanta[Rn] wrote: Fisheye Breakdown Advokate keNka Draco Gentleman
Advokate has the skills , but i bet that team is doing a german all stars team. Kenka isnt even close of the level the guys you named here have. Draco is polish , but of course if they accept foreigner , it would be a damn good recruit. Gentleman is retired as i remember.
You say Kenka isnt even close to the level of those people eh? Now that is funny T_T. Kenka is fucking good sir, I dont know where you got how he sux compared to the other people you listed from =[
you telling me to compare kenka with draco fisheye breakdown and advokate? what has kenka donde in hes entire bw career? fisheye and breakdown is listed above , advokate won tltour(raped assem like no one else) and wcg russia(finishing top 16 beating mondragon) and draco won wcg poland (in my opinion the hardest wcg outside korea, probably along with china). if You want to put a swedish there , at least put trek.
Kenka actually resided in Korea, played some games on tv I think. This was after WCG 2001 or something which he qualified to. Definatly one of the top swedes ever. He has some merits, alltough maybe not as much as Fisheye. Alltough, accomplishments-wise, I think he is comparable to those you listed. Maybe not as active anymore though, so I dont think he would fit in that proposed team nowadays.
On July 08 2005 13:30 k3fka wrote: you telling me to compare kenka with draco fisheye breakdown and advokate? what has kenka donde in hes entire bw career? fisheye and breakdown is listed above , advokate won tltour(raped assem like no one else) and wcg russia(finishing top 16 beating mondragon) and draco won wcg poland (in my opinion the hardest wcg outside korea, probably along with china). if You want to put a swedish there , at least put trek.
Ok, please NOTE one thing before I start my post of Kenka. Before you post anything ridiculous (regarding how you said Kenka sux compared to Fisheye, BREAKDOWN (...), Draco, and Advokate) please make sure you have the exact facts of the player your flaming and please make sure that you have the exact proof of that player inparticular. Obviously you do not know Kenka and how talented he is. If you say Kenka sux and isnt anywhere near the players I listed, you might as well say Europe itself sucks. So your saying kenka isnt anywhere near those players, well, you know what they say, you learn something everyday! Right?
First of all, Kenka is/was at the level of Fish and Draco, it is just Im pretty sure he doesnt play anymore, and only attends WCG nowadays (I may be wrong) but I sure as hell know he is at the same level of gameplay as fish and draco and if not now, he sure as hell WAS and could do it again and again. Yes we know how many acheivements fish made, but Kenka at his prime would be up there and most good gamers who know the history know that for sure.
So lets see, Kenka sux compared to them right? I'm not sure if your familiar with the iN. team (Group) or [344] so i wont go there. Or how about the Jesse/Madfrog/Saft gang?
Considering Kenka has been to korea a couple of times..
Kenka has always been a top swedish player ever since he played the game. He has beaten prob almost every top europe player he gamed with at his prime (which wasnt too long ago if you think about it). No im not saying he has beaten mondi or fish nowadays, but back when he gamed seriously, he would do so without a doubt and if he was still active he would do so.
Kenka has beaten Intotherain, Boxer,Gorush, Elky, Saft, Grrrr... at his prime, Smuft, Yooi, fOru, Blackman, Oddysay, most top koreans/foreigners you would see on the charts even now. The games werent too long ago either, around 2003ish. He has also been a top sweden WCG finalist for years if i am correct and won as many LANs as most popular europeans.. he won awhole lot more touraments too it just cant come to mind atm.
Kenka has played an ANORMOUS amount of amazing games that you could prob still download. Please dont say he is shit compared to someone like breakdown, draco, or advokate because that is just bullshit. Fisheye is prob the only one on that list that is better than him now, but KeNka was the shit and if he came back to serious gaming you would see him on the top euro charts no doubt, same goes for SaFt[pG].
And ya, if Im going to put a swedish in there TreK deserves a lot too of course.
There you have it, you learned something new today, in which a lot of people already know =[[
i just looked at their clanpage for about a minute now and i already hate the clan. the worst thing is the members page. somehow everyone who has his picture there seems to be mean and weird. T_T dunno why that is, must have something to do with the design. well, multi-game-clans suck hard!
Orangeworld, I agree some points, BUT I don't think Kenka is as skilled as Breakdown, Draco and Advokate at the moment. And you can't say for sure he would if he would start gaming actively again.
actually i made that lineup because that would be the lineup id like to see in there...
i put kenka up there because he was my favourite swedish player and back then when iN. was still around i loved that clan and iN.keNka just looked sexy
didn't put TreK up there since i don't think he'd leave the templars and Gentleman is there because it's Break's ally
I don't understand people who are so selfsure as you, Orangeworld. I mean, you start with saying that people can't think they know everything and then you end it all oracled. Hard to take your seriously.
On July 08 2005 17:04 Ziggy(TE) wrote: I don't understand people who are so selfsure as you, Orangeworld. I mean, you start with saying that people can't think they know everything and then you end it all oracled. Hard to take your seriously.
Oracled? Well.. Really I just dont like when people say how much "this person" sucked to a comparison of someone else and so on really, I do not mean much offense to anyone at all =[
On July 08 2005 16:35 TreK[cF] wrote: im a kenka fan too, but he stopped playing 3-4 years ago... but in his prime he, saft and jesse was top swedes imo =]
No, he quit 2 yrs ago, in 2003 WCG I believe. It also says it in the last interview :o
daaman is very good, and has always been...but his prime was probably before kenkas time. And my knowlegde of daamans time along with multifaith and 5th clan is very limited so i usually dont comment so much on that ;O Also, i think kenka stopped playing 100% after 2001... at 2002 we didnt get a WCG and 2003 he didnt play very active...unless i mixed up the years badly. In the 2 last years he probably hasnt played more than 1 game per week average
but, i dont wanna sound arrogant becoz my knowlegde about kenka isnt über good...altho i know him quite well i dont know everything about him hehe also my memory sucks...and u seem well informed orange, whoever u are >.
Anyways Kenka is an awesome player and ppl saying that he sucks or that he has never been good is only ppl that just entered the scene and dont know who he is or where he comes from...which is understandable tho... i dont blame anyone : )
On July 08 2005 13:30 k3fka wrote: you telling me to compare kenka with draco fisheye breakdown and advokate? what has kenka donde in hes entire bw career? fisheye and breakdown is listed above , advokate won tltour(raped assem like no one else) and wcg russia(finishing top 16 beating mondragon) and draco won wcg poland (in my opinion the hardest wcg outside korea, probably along with china). if You want to put a swedish there , at least put trek.
Ok, please NOTE one thing before I start my post of Kenka. Before you post anything ridiculous (regarding how you said Kenka sux compared to Fisheye, BREAKDOWN (...), Draco, and Advokate) please make sure you have the exact facts of the player your flaming and please make sure that you have the exact proof of that player inparticular. Obviously you do not know Kenka and how talented he is. If you say Kenka sux and isnt anywhere near the players I listed, you might as well say Europe itself sucks. So your saying kenka isnt anywhere near those players, well, you know what they say, you learn something everyday! Right?
First of all, Kenka is/was at the level of Fish and Draco, it is just Im pretty sure he doesnt play anymore, and only attends WCG nowadays (I may be wrong) but I sure as hell know he is at the same level of gameplay as fish and draco and if not now, he sure as hell WAS and could do it again and again. Yes we know how many acheivements fish made, but Kenka at his prime would be up there and most good gamers who know the history know that for sure.
So lets see, Kenka sux compared to them right? I'm not sure if your familiar with the iN. team (Group) or [344] so i wont go there. Or how about the Jesse/Madfrog/Saft gang?
Considering Kenka has been to korea a couple of times..
Kenka has always been a top swedish player ever since he played the game. He has beaten prob almost every top europe player he gamed with at his prime (which wasnt too long ago if you think about it). No im not saying he has beaten mondi or fish nowadays, but back when he gamed seriously, he would do so without a doubt and if he was still active he would do so.
Kenka has beaten Intotherain, Boxer,Gorush, Elky, Saft, Grrrr... at his prime, Smuft, Yooi, fOru, Blackman, Oddysay, most top koreans/foreigners you would see on the charts even now. The games werent too long ago either, around 2003ish. He has also been a top sweden WCG finalist for years if i am correct and won as many LANs as most popular europeans.. he won awhole lot more touraments too it just cant come to mind atm.
Kenka has played an ANORMOUS amount of amazing games that you could prob still download. Please dont say he is shit compared to someone like breakdown, draco, or advokate because that is just bullshit. Fisheye is prob the only one on that list that is better than him now, but KeNka was the shit and if he came back to serious gaming you would see him on the top euro charts no doubt, same goes for SaFt[pG].
And ya, if Im going to put a swedish in there TreK deserves a lot too of course.
There you have it, you learned something new today, in which a lot of people already know =[[
"At hes prime". Slayer , asmodey , NTT also raped everyone at hes prime , but i live in the present not in the past , and kenka in the present is nowhere close this guys are (maybe breakdown , thats arguable) but not near the other 4. Live in the present kid.
k3fka, you did ask what he had done in his entire career. Orangeworld did just that and answered why Kenka could be compared to them. Yes, currently he wouldn't be the ideal choice to put in but the fact is, you dismissed him (and everything he had done) without knowing much about him.
I don't understand why you are telling him to "Live in the present kid" when you yourself had asked what Kenka had done in his career and then posted some accomplishments done by other players in the past (whether recent or not). There's nothing wrong in giving props where they are due.
As a matter of fact, Pro Gaming wasn never acting as a clan throughout the past 3 years.
It was quite fun to hear that every years early summer, about 20 german players had gotten an pG-invite, just because pro gaming had to make themselves look strong in the upcoming wcg prelimanaries. 60% of the invited ppl didnt even waste a thought on joining, cuz they knew what was going on in the money-kitted pG team. Another 20% (myself included) accepted join pG, but left only few days later, exclamaiming "fasfasf pg sucks as a clan, stfu". pG didnt compete in german clan leagues, had a wide-ranged field of players, from middle-class users up to top foreigners like fishy or break. To me it is fully understandable that the latter follow the call of money, which leads them to SSV Lehnitz.
On July 08 2005 16:35 TreK[cF] wrote: im a kenka fan too, but he stopped playing 3-4 years ago... but in his prime he, saft and jesse was top swedes imo =]
what about Willet?-i mean he may be not kenka-gosu like, but he defenitly was one of my favourite players (+protoss) ever!!
BEFO just stfu man you don't know shit. It was ZeeRaX who played the game you moron. Different apm different hotkeys , ur an idiot for saying it was didi8 playing !
On July 08 2005 16:35 TreK[cF] wrote: im a kenka fan too, but he stopped playing 3-4 years ago... but in his prime he, saft and jesse was top swedes imo =]
what about Willet?-i mean he may be not kenka-gosu like, but he defenitly was one of my favourite players (+protoss) ever!!
EPT
Whatever, they probably got a small sponsership deal or something that prompted the move.
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