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On December 27 2011 14:31 Mortality wrote:
Tentative ranking:
1. Flash
2-4. Stork/JD/Fanta
5-6. Baby/SK
7-9. Bisu/Effort/Stats
10. Hydra
CBNC: Zero/Leta/Piano/Roro
Nowhere near a perfect ranking. Need to check games more thoroughly, need more statistics. But trying to put players in by where they really matter.
I like this, although i might even go as far to switch Fanta with Stats then switch him and baby (and I'm a SKT fan), or bump Stats up to 6 and put Baby as 4th. I also think JB could be anywhere from 7th-10th, and I'm not even sure Hydra should be on it. Hmm, maybe I don't like this.
Also I think Kal should get a shoutout for beating Stork in his first televised match since joining ACE. (It is his first this season right? I remember being shocked when I saw his hair)
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On December 27 2011 14:36 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 14:31 Mortality wrote:
Tentative ranking:
1. Flash
2-4. Stork/JD/Fanta
5-6. Baby/SK
7-9. Bisu/Effort/Stats
10. Hydra
CBNC: Zero/Leta/Piano/Roro
Nowhere near a perfect ranking. Need to check games more thoroughly, need more statistics. But trying to put players in by where they really matter. I like this, although i might even go as far to switch Fanta with Stats then switch him and baby (and I'm a SKT fan), or bump Stats up to 6 and put Baby as 4th. I also think JB could be anywhere from 7th-10th, and I'm not even sure Hydra should be on it. Hmm, maybe I don't like this. Also I think Kal should get a shoutout for beating Stork in his first televised match since joining ACE. (It is his first this season right? I remember being shocked when I saw his hair)
It was Kal's second. He got Hyuk'd in his first.
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On December 27 2011 14:43 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 14:36 1Eris1 wrote:On December 27 2011 14:31 Mortality wrote:
Tentative ranking:
1. Flash
2-4. Stork/JD/Fanta
5-6. Baby/SK
7-9. Bisu/Effort/Stats
10. Hydra
CBNC: Zero/Leta/Piano/Roro
Nowhere near a perfect ranking. Need to check games more thoroughly, need more statistics. But trying to put players in by where they really matter. I like this, although i might even go as far to switch Fanta with Stats then switch him and baby (and I'm a SKT fan), or bump Stats up to 6 and put Baby as 4th. I also think JB could be anywhere from 7th-10th, and I'm not even sure Hydra should be on it. Hmm, maybe I don't like this. Also I think Kal should get a shoutout for beating Stork in his first televised match since joining ACE. (It is his first this season right? I remember being shocked when I saw his hair) It was Kal's second. He got Hyuk'd in his first.
Completely understandable.
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On December 27 2011 14:36 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 14:31 Mortality wrote:
Tentative ranking:
1. Flash
2-4. Stork/JD/Fanta
5-6. Baby/SK
7-9. Bisu/Effort/Stats
10. Hydra
CBNC: Zero/Leta/Piano/Roro
Nowhere near a perfect ranking. Need to check games more thoroughly, need more statistics. But trying to put players in by where they really matter. I like this, although i might even go as far to switch Fanta with Stats then switch him and baby (and I'm a SKT fan), or bump Stats up to 6 and put Baby as 4th. I also think JB could be anywhere from 7th-10th, and I'm not even sure Hydra should be on it. Hmm, maybe I don't like this. Also I think Kal should get a shoutout for beating Stork in his first televised match since joining ACE. (It is his first this season right? I remember being shocked when I saw his hair)
I kind of agree with you.
I think it should be something like this:
1. Flash
2-3 Fantasy/Jangbi
4-7 SK/JD/Stats/Bisu
8-9 Baby/Stork
10 Effort, hydra, or roro
I don't think that people that are currently on a streak but didn't perform too well before should be placed too high like Baby and Stork. The more consistent players should be ranked higher.
10th place is really hard to decide as there are quite a lot of candidates.
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On December 27 2011 15:44 Nemesis wrote:
people that are currently on a streak but didn't perform too well before should be placed too high like Baby and Stork
?????
personally i'd have something like
1. Flash
2. Stork
3. Effort
4. Baby
5. Stats
6. Fantasy
7. Jangbi
8. Jaedong
9. Soulkey
10. Bisu
i'm not even sure bisu should be on there as he is 3-3.
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Effort is not top 3. I'm sorry, I love Effort, but I don't know how you can watch his games and call him top 3.
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edit: nvm, totally wrong thread
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On December 27 2011 16:28 Mortality wrote:
Effort is not top 3. I'm sorry, I love Effort, but I don't know how you can watch his games and call him top 3.
i don't actually like him, i think i was trying too hard to be fair to him
he has had pretty good results, though, and though i love jaedong i think jaedong's play has had more holes than effort's overall this season
baby should probably be third, though.
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On December 27 2011 17:18 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 16:28 Mortality wrote:
Effort is not top 3. I'm sorry, I love Effort, but I don't know how you can watch his games and call him top 3. i don't actually like him, i think i was trying too hard to be fair to him he has had pretty good results, though, and though i love jaedong i think jaedong's play has had more holes than effort's overall this season baby should probably be third, though.
right now i would say that soulkey is far too low in your ranking...could also be me being a fanboy but whatever :D
dunno what to think about effort. some games were pretty good others not really
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On December 27 2011 16:01 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 15:44 Nemesis wrote:
people that are currently on a streak but didn't perform too well before should be placed too high like Baby and Stork ????? personally i'd have something like 1. Flash 2. Stork 3. Effort 4. Baby 5. Stats 6. Fantasy 7. Jangbi 8. Jaedong 9. Soulkey 10. Bisu i'm not even sure bisu should be on there as he is 3-3.
IMO:
1. Flash
2. Stork
3. Stats
4. Baby
5. Effort
6. Fantasy
7. Jangbi
8. Jaedong
9. Soulkey
10. Hydra
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I think we should wait until the results of STX/KT tomorrow before trying to settle this. Right now, I think Flash is a pretty clear #1 and Stork is a pretty clear #2, but the others are pretty hard to put in order.
Also, what should we even be considering here? Outside of the first round of PL, does the previous OSL still count? How about the last PL playoffs and grand final? And how much weight do they get?
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I think some more emphasis needs to be put unto performance in every game, especially considering how small the sample size is with the new format.
Stats' 4-1 is a lot more impressive to me than Effort's 4-1 in terms of how well he played in each of those games and the loss (the one game he lost was against an impressive Sea who seemed so happy that he didn't have to go against a toss that cheesed him). His play looked a lot cleaner, with less holes, and the loss was a close game that Sea really earned the win for. While I am sure most people would rank Effort higher on the PR because of his background as an OSL winner vs flash and his glamorous return, in terms of play this season (which given the large gap of games should be by far the largest determining factor for the first PR) I believe Stats is definitely more deserving of a higher ranking than Effort for this proleague.
The only thing that I am near certain of is Flash's position as number 1. Forbidding some super embarrassing loss to Modesty or someone of his vT caliber today, his play and record have simply been too clean this season to mark him anywhere lower.
Stork, Jaedong, Jangbi, Fantasy, Soulkey, Stats, Baby, Effort, Hydra, and several other players could be tossed around and we would have a decent (yet arguable) power rank.
Baby and Stats in particular, being shadowed by their more famous teammates, deserve greater recognition for their superb play this season.
The fact that ace matches have been removed make ranking these players a much more difficult task. Indeed, by seeing who was regularly sent out for ace, we could see who each team put faith into - as well as being able to see the trusted aces of each team duke it out with each other and see who triumphed over who.
I think some players' rankings will inherently suffer more from this change than others - players like Jaedong who, even on team 8, would probably be picked as the ace for his performance in inhouses, and historically had great performances against the aces of other teams, stand more to lose from this change than players like Fantasy, who was less likely to be picked for ace with Bisu's current form but still a heavy favorite against most non high A / S class players.
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On December 27 2011 18:17 FuRong wrote:
I think we should wait until the results of STX/KT tomorrow before trying to settle this. Right now, I think Flash is a pretty clear #1 and Stork is a pretty clear #2, but the others are pretty hard to put in order.
Also, what should we even be considering here? Outside of the first round of PL, does the previous OSL still count? How about the last PL playoffs and grand final? And how much weight do they get?
I feel that due to the long delay to proleague starting and the entirely new map pool the PR should put less weight on previous results. Thankfully most of the players on the most recent PR have been playing well enough to justify being put in the top 10 this time around also. The 2 notable exceptions are Bisu and Zero who are both 'only' at 3-3 this season. Normally it would be silly to drop them out of the rankings when they're only 1 game worse than Jaedong, Hydra and Jangbi. Nevertheless it's been 4 months since Zero's strong playoff run and Bisu's record breaking 10-11 season and most PR's wouldn't use results from that long ago. I myself would put them at the bottom of the rankings around but I would not be surprised nor upset if they were left off altogether.
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On December 27 2011 16:01 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 15:44 Nemesis wrote:
people that are currently on a streak but didn't perform too well before should be placed too high like Baby and Stork ????? personally i'd have something like 1. Flash 2. Stork 3. Effort 4. Baby 5. Stats 6. Fantasy 7. Jangbi 8. Jaedong 9. Soulkey 10. Bisu i'm not even sure bisu should be on there as he is 3-3.
I feel that some of the ACE guys should have a spot. Some of them played really well.
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1.  Flash
No question about it. Flash last four games has been dominating performances against great, Jaehoon, Horang2 and Light. It does'nt look like the wrist-operation has slowed down the killing machine, but he has yet to face the toughest of opponents
2.  Stats
Its hard to think of anyone more solid right now. Stats has had some pretty ipmressive wins against strong zergs such as Effort. I put him over the players below because he has had the most impressive victorys that showed his solid form and stamina. Stats is showing time and time again he can take on any zerg and beat their ass, all the while owning terran and protoss players left and right. Stats is a true proleague monster.
3.  Neo.G_Soulkey
This kid is just getting better and better. His ZvZ is great, his TvZ is mind blowing in the late game and for what its worth, i dont remember the last time he lost in a PvZ. This season he has had an incredible win against Bogus, utilizing lurkers and dark swarms to defend against Bogus mech army.
4. BaBy
Baby is winning every game he's playing right now and he is doing it in fashion. Two TvT wins against the likes of Leta and Light. His stomping play of SKTs Soo in the first round was also of the fashionable kind using an interesting strategy with valkyries. Baby's still young and right now he is in the prime age of pro gamers.
5. Stork
Stork is playing solid, going 5-1 so far this season. But his games have'nt been mind blowing either. But this is Stork we are talking about. He deserves the 5th spot.
6. JangBi
Jangbi is 4-2, but his wins are more mentionable than his losses. He has beaten Best and Shuttle in PvP and his TvP wins against Light and Sea has showed amazing reaver and army control in the engagements. Jangbi is looking good, but his games have'nt given us taste of his standard play yet. Knowing his slumping past its hard to know if the reigning champion is to rely on
7. Jaedong
His TvZ is the best in the world right now, but his ZvP is suffering hard time. And thats why the tyrant gets ends up in the lower part of the ranking this time around
8. EffOrt
Dont believe the hype - someone ones said. And in the case of Effort, I'm not sure what to believe. Its to early to say if this is the return of the Messiah. What I do know rather, is that his play against Iris mech, sent shivers down my spine. I cant wait to see more of his TvZ
9. Bisu
Bisu has not looked great, but not bad either. But its Bisu. We cant kick him off the power ranking just yet
10. Hydra
Hydra has almost only played ZvZ. He's won 3 and lost 2. He also has dominating win against Brave. I dont know, its hard to tell where Hydra is right now, but judging by his play this last year and his position as kespas number one ranked zerg, i cant really exclude him off the power ranks
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Bullet points:
-SK is no longer undefeated.
-Zero is now 3-3 and frankly he's had a fairly brutal list of opponents (IMO harder than Bisu's, who is also 3-3). Time to start thinking about the possibility of ranking him.
-Hydra is now 4-2.
-CJ looks scary as fuck. On any other team Movie and Snow would get a lot more play time.
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Fantasy should get a better placement in those lists. He is 3:1 , looked really solid to me ( didnt watch vs Last yet) , he just didnt have a really good opponent yet
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On December 28 2011 06:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Fantasy should get a better placement in those lists. He is 3:1 , looked really solid to me ( didnt watch vs Last yet) , he just didnt have a really good opponent yet
Zero isn't a good opponent? (Fantasy won, btw)
Seriously, Zero is must be underrated as all fuck.
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On December 28 2011 06:29 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 06:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Fantasy should get a better placement in those lists. He is 3:1 , looked really solid to me ( didnt watch vs Last yet) , he just didnt have a really good opponent yet Zero isn't a good opponent? (Fantasy won, btw) Seriously, Zero is must be underrated as all fuck.
Yeah lol I didn't remember him beating Zero, I thought he had Canata, another easy T and some third easy win.. well that one being Zero just proves my point of Fantasy being pretty darn good !
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On December 28 2011 06:29 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 06:20 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Fantasy should get a better placement in those lists. He is 3:1 , looked really solid to me ( didnt watch vs Last yet) , he just didnt have a really good opponent yet Zero isn't a good opponent? (Fantasy won, btw) Seriously, Zero is must be underrated as all fuck.
I think it's more that Zero was so bad in that game that no one mentally filed it as a great win. Everyone respects Zero's ability to pull out amazing games sometimes, but he's still plagued by an unfortunate tendency to be horrible with no explanation every now and then.
Also, Fantasy's other two wins were against Canata and Reality, and it probably hurts his standing that he's only played four games, whereas players like Bisu and Hydra have played six each.
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