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The Scout in Broodwar

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DukeTheNuke
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany26 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 11:54:43
October 29 2011 11:53 GMT
#1
Hello!

I just have a general question about balance issues.
I always wondered why Blizzard didnt buff/optimize the Scout in Broodwar.
The Scout became a unit that u only made to make fun of your opponent. Blizzard must have known. So, why not doing sth about it? (plz dont give me examples now when a scout could have been useful. its just fact that nobody used it)

I truly think, Blizz kinda hates Protoss but I dont wanna start a discussion about that at all!
I'm just curious if Blizzard ever gave a statement about the Scout.
The Devourer for example, sometimes it has its usage. But the Scout...

The Carrier now in SC2: Instead of balancing it, they wanna take it out and replace it with the Tempest.
Is this saying "Ok we dont know how to make it fair"? Maybe they sometimes just dont know. So they also could have replaced the Scout instead of letting it become the most ridicilous unit evaaaaarrr.


Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 29 2011 11:57 GMT
#2
The most BM unit in the game

especially when proxied.
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Ellibereth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States66 Posts
October 29 2011 11:58 GMT
#3
Limitless entertainment value.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 29 2011 11:59 GMT
#4
PERFECT for humiliating noobs
mansa
Profile Joined May 2011
Philippines336 Posts
October 29 2011 11:59 GMT
#5
Because its the most awesome unit eva? Its so OP that people can't even afford to buy it in a game!
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 12:00:52
October 29 2011 12:00 GMT
#6
They didn't wanna make The Stove more powerful than it already is, of course.
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
October 29 2011 12:00 GMT
#7
The epitome of badass.
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
October 29 2011 12:02 GMT
#8
Its like the manner mule in SC2, but you have to prepare to build it so it was even worse in BW
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 29 2011 12:02 GMT
#9
Use it for late game PvZ when you have enough Corsairs but with extra scouts, you can do patrol move with them and they will take care of the scourges (very situational). And also Royal Stove.
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 29 2011 12:04 GMT
#10
Man, scouts... back when I played the BW campaign I would just cheat to get infinite money and i'd go mass scouts, get over 4 control groups of them. Oh, and god mode of course. Even 4 control groups of scouts are terrible compared to... anything.
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Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam185 Posts
October 29 2011 12:08 GMT
#11
Sayle's pvz scout into 3 gates goon build is pretty good and seems legit enough to be considered a build.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66153 Posts
October 29 2011 12:09 GMT
#12
it's the prince of the skies

you don't just use it anytime anywhere

the ultimate badass ceremony unit

(think mothership, but cooler)
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
October 29 2011 12:11 GMT
#13
In the beginning of "pro" BW most protoss used Scouts in almost all games.
Blizzard just stoped balancing the whole game at one point and because the scout was used very often in the past they didnt change it i guess.

After that the game evolved and strategies got more defined and the scout wasnt used anymore.
Blizzard couldnt look in the future.

Dont say it wasnt used if you dont it for sure. There are alot of old battle reports from people like Grrr and Zileas which massed scouts in PvP for example and killed nexuses with it etc.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7858 Posts
October 29 2011 12:19 GMT
#14
They are actually very efficient against Battlecruiser.

So I guess they kind of have a shadow value in that sense that they are part of the reason terrans never go BC against protoss (that and storm. And dragoons... Oh well...)

Seriously, I guess Blizzard didn't buff it because by the time it proved being really useless the game was already very well balanced. With another highly efficient air unit, protoss would probably be way too powerful.
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 12:24:51
October 29 2011 12:21 GMT
#15
Two instances of the scout being used successfully for something else than bad manner. But that's really what they're best at.
Edit : and the build stork used against kolll at WCG is in fact decent.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 12:26:14
October 29 2011 12:26 GMT
#16
On October 29 2011 21:11 MasterReY wrote:

Dont say it wasnt used if you dont it for sure. There are alot of old battle reports from people like Grrr and Zileas which massed scouts in PvP for example and killed nexuses with it etc.


They nerfed the Scout's anti ground pretty hard. Nerfed the wraith's anti ground, too.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 16:54:00
October 29 2011 12:33 GMT
#17
It is the ground weapon that makes the Scout weak and useless.

Marine: Tatata
Scout: Tatatata?

Srsly, looks weak and sounds even weaker... see what the commentator means @30:54


Edit: Scout and Wraith should switch weapons IMO.
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Greth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Belgium318 Posts
October 29 2011 12:40 GMT
#18
In FFAs they are a unit to be feared. I've won several with scout/arbiter fleets. Only when players start building anti-air you could find yourself in a bit of a pickle - but really, nobody ever does. ... Right?
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
October 29 2011 12:44 GMT
#19
The Scout only real use is the counter for Carriers and Battlecruisers but you never see those units in pvp and pvt so its used mostly to humiliate your oponents.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
October 29 2011 12:45 GMT
#20
Scout/Zealot was actually used quite a bit in vanilla SC if I'm not mistaken.
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