# Update 26/06/2011 : [Kindly translated by Spica]
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
So it looks like we'll seeing a lot less of Flash in Proleague... Which is a good thing for the sake of his health.
Hi,
News I came across and realised it's not on TL yet, Flash has been losing consistently past few games and many of you have been wondering why.
According to the news below Flash is suffering severe wrist injury. This is also mentioned in the beginning of the B.net :
"We have to thank Flash coming here to participate in this show despite his injury, so please bear in mind that we will only be able to play few selected games today."
You can see Flash looking in pain and grabbing this wrist after the game against Dream.t)hyun despite in-taking pain-killers.
He went to hospital for magnetic resonance imaging yesterday and will be going to rehab centre from now. Because of this he probably won't play on this upcoming match vs FOX. This is not the first time wrist injury happening to progammers, iloveoov broke his wrist during shower and GGPlay suffered severe carpal tunnel syndrome. Both player soon retired.
Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
On June 25 2011 03:51 dibbaN wrote: Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
According to the link below, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/ "Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel."
By the way does anyone know how to embed Youtube video here?
On June 25 2011 03:56 Ryo wrote: Where does it actually say "carpal tunnel" in the Fomos articles? His wrist is in a lot of pain and he's going for an MRI.
On June 25 2011 03:51 dibbaN wrote: Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
According to the link below, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/ "Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel."
By the way does anyone know how to embed Youtube video here?
you just post the link, and it will automaticly do it
On June 25 2011 03:56 Ryo wrote: Where does it actually say "carpal tunnel" in the Fomos articles? His wrist is in a lot of pain and he's going for an MRI.
I am confused now.
It's a serious injury, I just don't know if its carpal tunnel.
On June 25 2011 03:51 dibbaN wrote: Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
According to the link below, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/ "Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel."
By the way does anyone know how to embed Youtube video here?
you just post the link, and it will automaticly do it
Whatever's wrong with flash's wrist I hope it's fixable somehow by some amazing surgeons/medicine. Certainly don't want to see the ultimate weapon go like this. :/
On June 25 2011 04:01 J1.au wrote: Flash says right here that he does not have nerve damage, so how can it be carpal tunnel?
Thought you don't have to damage nerve in order to be classified as carpal tunnel syndrome. any swelling muscles etc can pinch nerve and cause pain. Nonetheless I wasn't careful with the information and will edit the info above.
On June 25 2011 04:01 J1.au wrote: Flash says right here that he does not have nerve damage, so how can it be carpal tunnel?
Thought you don't have to damage nerve in order to be classified as carpal tunnel syndrome. any swelling muscles etc can pinch nerve and cause pain. Nonetheless I wasn't careful with the information and will edit the info above.
Can a mod please modify the title unless someone finds an official statement identifying his wrist injury as carpal tunnel.
Imo they should just bench him even if it sounds sad. He won the title yet again and imo that was the important part right now. Blind-Rawr said it best: It's good,he needs the rest,the problem is what comes after.
I hope he doesn't have to drop out of the individual leagues but obviously if he has to do that in order to not retire then do that please. Hopefully he can also be back in time for proleague playoffs as KT doesn't stand a chance without him.
I just hope that Flash is able to stay healthy - he's been playing this game for a long time, is obviously best in the world....but health comes first ^^
but seriously, good news is that KT stops playing Flash finally, for a while. they probably finally realised that their player's health is first priority))
I don't ever want to see him go but he should always prioritize his health over anything else.. even if he has to take a break or retire. Hopefully, his injury won't ever get to that point.
On June 25 2011 04:30 K3Nyy wrote: I don't ever want to see him go but he should always prioritize his health over anything else.. even if he has to take a break or retire. Hopefully, his injury won't ever get to that point.
Agreed, as much as I'd like for him to tear up the competition, his health should always be considered first and foremost. Must be a difficult decision for him though considering how much he's earning right now.
Just waiting for someone to pop in and accuse him of making this up as an excuse for his losses. -__-
This entire thing is so sad. Kid is so talented, and if it wasn't for this issue I would expect Flash to bash Nada's Starleague record to pieces in the coming seasons.
He should take some times off from SC completely right now IMO.
Flash I wished he could win at least one more starleague to hold the record for himself but this kind of news is getting way too frequent for my taste poor Flash...I wish you well ! Gl and get better soon!
I certainly hope Flash will make a full recovery and adjust his practice routine accordingly so the rest of the progamers have a chance at taking a title.
as long as he takes a break and rests up, he should be fine. its nothing wrong with the nerves, just a lot of stress has been put into his hand (i mean, i think everyone's hand would be too if you were winning championships left and right.)
but we all know that flash's mechanic wrist is having trouble functioning. the water that you see flash drinking before games is really motor oil, and he's forgetting to drink it. xD
On June 25 2011 03:45 seol1500 wrote: He went to hospital for magnetic resonance imaging yesterday and will be going to rehab centre from now. Because of this he probably won't play on this upcoming match vs FOX. This is not the first time wrist injury happening to progammers, iloveoov broke his wrist during shower and GGPlay suffered severe carpal tunnel syndrome. Both player soon retired.
Flash having to retire, just like oov and GGPlay, is my greatest fear
On June 25 2011 04:38 FlaShFTW wrote: as long as he takes a break and rests up, he should be fine. its nothing wrong with the nerves, just a lot of stress has been put into his hand (i mean, i think everyone's hand would be too if you were winning championships left and right.)
but we all know that flash's mechanic wrist is having trouble functioning. the water that you see flash drinking before games is really motor oil, and he's forgetting to drink it. xD
but all jokes aside, GET WELL FLASH!!! MA BONJWA!
...I see what you did there. Flash, I hope you get better.
On June 25 2011 04:30 K3Nyy wrote: I don't ever want to see him go but he should always prioritize his health over anything else.. even if he has to take a break or retire. Hopefully, his injury won't ever get to that point.
Agreed, as much as I'd like for him to tear up the competition, his health should always be considered first and foremost. Must be a difficult decision for him though considering how much he's earning right now.
He should takes his decitions like any other sportsman. Like, I'm sure any football player will happily risk a lifetime injury to play a World Cup Final, but after that they won't be playing showmatches instead of going to a doctor and resting -.-.
On June 25 2011 04:03 XsebT wrote: Whatever's wrong with flash's wrist I hope it's fixable somehow by some amazing surgeons/medicine. Certainly don't want to see the ultimate weapon go like this. :/
We saw one perfect player go like this, second one will be too much, and all in the span of 2 years
On June 25 2011 04:38 FlaShFTW wrote: GET WELL FLASH!!! MA BONJWA!
That's the wrong nickname
Maybe he's a Savior fan and felt like it needed mentioning :>
You mean like...
Hope Flash gets better soon! Go Bisu!
Anyway I think he thought that Ma Bonjwa means "my" Bonjwa. They sound the same if you read it with kind of a Southern drawl.
that would be MAH BONJWA
Gotta be tough on Flash. He really needs to bench a season or retire though - guess it depends on his condition. If he doesn't take care of himself he's going to REALLY regret it in the future.
Health > Progaming. Hopefully him and his coaches feel this way too. :p
On June 25 2011 04:02 Mereel wrote: well....time for jaedong to win everything
lol I bet Jaedong is celebrating atm
I doubt it, cause jaedong and flash are good friends, practice partners and i'm sure given jaedong's perseverance and competitive nature he would like to have a strong rival to give his titles more meaning. But who knows, maybe he is in a high spirit right now
I mean if Flash is forced to retire - Terran is dead. I just dont see someone coming and replacing him as a Top tier terran, not necessarily the BEST player in the world and Bonjwa(even a GOD at one time). Zergs will rule SC forever. But if i have to pick someone - Baby is the most likely candidate, he is young and has great potential. I hope WMF dont disband and if they do, some strong team picks him and develop him into a monster.
On June 25 2011 06:18 stambe wrote: I mean if Flash is forced to retire - Terran is dead. I just dont see someone coming and replacing him as a Top tier terran, not necessarily the BEST player in the world and Bonjwa(even a GOD at one time). Zergs will rule SC forever. But if i have to pick someone - Baby is the most likely candidate, he is young and has great potential. I hope WMF dont disband and if they do, some strong team picks him and develop him into a monster.
Quite likely he has tendonitis just like I do. It's a chronic degenerative disorder that hits the tendons making them inflamed and brittle and it's a very common form of computer-related RSI especially in people with thin wrists.
Lots of stuff can be very wrong without involving nerves. Tendons are stupid because they get a very limited blood supply and practically won't heal. This thing hurts like hell, sometimes for days on end and I am a pretty active sportsman (which is supposed to be good) and have been treating it quite seriously for two years now, staying away from games etc...
Why do you make a big fuss about it...its just his fake skin falling of his adamantium skeleton and they just need to make it that it doesn't Jokes aside...I hope he gets better he is the best player in the world and game wont be the same without him.
Flash has been losing consistently past few games and many of you have been wondering why.
According to the news below Flash is suffering severe wrist injury.
This makes it sound like his wrist is the only reason he's lost recently. But he did just win a huge and exhausting and epic tournament, for one thing. + Show Spoiler +
And also, his recent loss to Jaedong in the OSL didn't look to me like it had to do with wrist problems. Flash said in an interview that his wrist was bothering him, but he didn't say that it cost him the game. And Jaedong said he was astonished at how well Flash played given the early structural advantages that were on Jaedong's side. Having watched the game, I agree with Jaedong- that was amazing starcraft from Flash. The number of times he sniped the defilers was just...!!
So yeah, I don't think there's much to suggest that his wrist problems are the main cause of his recent losses. But still, I'm glad he's taking time to get treated, and I hope he recovers and comes back stronger than ever!
I'm probably totally off base, but I remember the episode of Old Boy where Nal Ra goes to visit KT and he plays a game against Flash. The showed Flash's desk and to the side there were all these bottles, looked like OTC painkillers to me. And that was like a year ago. Just dumb speculation.
I hope he spends some good time to rest, wrists injuries are difficult to deal with. I want to watch his games!
Damnit I really hope it's not permanent and treatment helps... though I honestly can't see how he can get 100% better if he keeps playing at the rate that he does (ridic practice times)
He should not be taking pain-killers to KEEP on playing, it put his career at risk even more as it will aggravate the problem, why the hell isn't his manager or physio/doctor not telling him this??Money shouldn't be an issue here so he should be going to the best in the country, what the hell??
On June 25 2011 08:05 bubblegumbo wrote: He should not be taking pain-killers to KEEP on playing, it put his career at risk even more as it will aggravate the problem, why the hell isn't his manager or physio/doctor not telling him this??Money shouldn't be an issue here so he should be going to the best in the country, what the hell??
CTS/Tendinitis is an incurable affliction only handleable by time and fairly painful surgery which takes you out of the game for months.
HE needs to take a long break from the game like TLO is currently doing to actually give his wrist time to heal... rather than keep on playing and making his retirement seem very likely at an early age
On June 25 2011 07:15 Zaphid wrote: I heard it's lupus + Show Spoiler +
couldn't resist
I suppose it's only a matter of time until even e-athletes perform at levels which the body can't keep up for long ...
Unfortunately there seem to be no specialist doctors for E-sports yet, like there are for many other sports. Injury treatment in football for example has really improved a lot, especially in recent times.
Its somewhat fitting that the thing that finally beats the Ultimate Weapon is the upper limit of repetitive hand movement, as if saying that Flash is as good as any squishy bag of meat and bones can ever get.
... as far as economy based RTS is concerned anyway.
An article in Fomos said that Flash ate some Tylenols before group A because of the pain in his wrist. In the same article, the KT coach also said that since KT's spot in post-season is secured as third place, he'll stop using Flash and make him concentrate on healing his wrist.
if the KT coach had any sense of humanity in him, he would force flash to take a vacation/long break. Getting his wrists that fucked up at that age will probably have lasting effects for him later even after his SC career.
On June 25 2011 03:51 dibbaN wrote: Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
According to the link below, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/ "Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel."
By the way does anyone know how to embed Youtube video here?
1) Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. 2) Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel.
The risk of developing carpal tunnel syndrome is not confined to people in a single industry or job, but is especially common in those performing assembly line work - manufacturing, sewing, finishing, cleaning, and meat, poultry, or fish packing. In fact, carpal tunnel syndrome is three times more common among assemblers than among data-entry personnel.
Another interesting study on carpal tunnel disproving the role of computer usage in casuality, proving structural, genetic, biological factors being cardinal. Repetitive hand use is shown to be a lesser and more arguable factor.
Glad you brought it up, but please do your research before attempting to discredit something which you lack knowledge of unless you want an unnecessary debate. Thanks!
I've always enjoyed seeing someone take down Flash because it tends to be a very good game, but I agree I don't want to see him go down like this... Hope he gets better :/
Sounds like Flash has severe wrist tendinitis. The Korean articles mention that its an issue with the muscle. He has had his wrist checked on previously and there has never been any nerve issues or mention of possible CTS. If anything, it would be Flash's left hand that would get CTS since most of his APM is done with his left hand. I don't know if Flash has previously gotten cortisone injections, but that will probably be the first thing they do seeing how severe his condition is.
Hope the best for Flash. Would hate to see another Terran Bonjwa fall to this
At this point I think taking a rest from PL is a given, and according to some of the posts above it seems that the coach has already decided to do that.
The real question is will be stay in the OSL? The drawn out structure means that he wouldn't have to play that often, but then again if he's resting and not practicing then he probably wouldn't go very far anyway. And if he happened to run into a long drawn out boX TvT series then it would probably kill him =/
On June 25 2011 11:07 FuRong wrote: At this point I think taking a rest from PL is a given, and according to some of the posts above it seems that the coach has already decided to do that.
The real question is will be stay in the OSL? The drawn out structure means that he wouldn't have to play that often, but then again if he's resting and not practicing then he probably wouldn't go very far anyway. And if he happened to run into a long drawn out boX TvT series then it would probably kill him =/
Remember, flash has often gone into games doing barely any practice. the kid is insanely talentedm he can win off the bat all he needs is a few warm up games the same day or yesterday
this makes me real sad. an unbelievably talented and hardworking guy who's worked so hard to achieve everything he's got now, only to be defeated by the result of his own hard work...
Someone should make a thread dedicated to players with this injury or similar in a general section. I would, but I don't have the overview & info of the whole subject & injury. Begins to get quite the list of players getting their careers destroyed by hand problems: TLO, Flash, also Thorzain is having problems I've heard. Pretty sure there is quite many more, this is probably quite normal among gamers. The worst thing a players could do is ignore it, that would make them regret for a very long time and destroy many years of their lives of simple activities. Also it seems kinda "hidden", we should discuss it more and inform the community about this.
On June 25 2011 04:30 K3Nyy wrote: I don't ever want to see him go but he should always prioritize his health over anything else.. even if he has to take a break or retire. Hopefully, his injury won't ever get to that point.
his retirement would end my interest in BW. He was the only reason I ever watched korean BW. From the start of his "Flash" into stardom ive been a fan.
On June 25 2011 14:00 rift wrote: The only good thing about Flash retiring at his peak is that we wouldn't see a sad decline of success like with every other god of BW.
Flash truly has seemed like the most prodigious BW talent of all time at this point, so exiting at this stage in his career would cement that in place. Playing through injury, while suffering both diminished results and constant pain seems like a bad idea all around.
That said, it does feel very tragic that he may have to make his exit so early in his career
Poor Flash, I hope you can get back to the scene soon But at least his string of recent losses is justified and his wrists were still good enough to tie Nada's record
On June 25 2011 03:51 dibbaN wrote: Those proficient in the area claim that carpal tunnel is not an actual repetitive stress injury, i.e you have a predisposition (which hasn't shown itself yet) for it, or you don't. It's not something you "get" per se. Nevertheless Flash definitely has a RSI of some kind.
According to the link below, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001469/ "Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel."
By the way does anyone know how to embed Youtube video here?
1) Carpal tunnel syndrome is common in people who perform repetitive motions of the hand and wrist. 2) Typing on a computer keyboard is probably the most common cause of carpal tunnel.
The risk of developing carpal tunnel syndrome is not confined to people in a single industry or job, but is especially common in those performing assembly line work - manufacturing, sewing, finishing, cleaning, and meat, poultry, or fish packing. In fact, carpal tunnel syndrome is three times more common among assemblers than among data-entry personnel.
Another interesting study on carpal tunnel disproving the role of computer usage in casuality, proving structural, genetic, biological factors being cardinal. Repetitive hand use is shown to be a lesser and more arguable factor.
Glad you brought it up, but please do your research before attempting to discredit something which you lack knowledge of unless you want an unnecessary debate. Thanks!
Well there is a huge difference between typing up TPS reports from 8-5 monday through friday than there is playing Starcraft at that level from 11am to 1:30 am on a daily basis. While I'm sure the Mayo clinic is a reputable source, I can guarantee you that their study was not conducted on people who use computers to the degree that progamers do. Like any body part, if you use it too much, it will break down and cause you problems.
To everyone else saying that there is no nerve damage = not carpal tunnel, there are many injuries you can from heavy use of your hands that are not carpal tunnel. it could be a sprain, a minor fracture, tendonitis, or forearm splints which extend to the wrist. I highly, highly doubt it is anything career ending, since doctors have supposedly ruled out carpal tunnel, and the only other wrist injury that could possibly end his career is a severe compound fracture, which he obviously doesn't have.
Ahhh... now I feel completely terrible for all the "wrist exploding" jokes I made.
I really hope he gets better. He's huge for the game and 99% of his games are great to watch. Taking a long break would be rough though. I don't know if he would be able to go back into BW depending on how long the break is. I remember on April Fools there was a joke about him switching to Protoss... he would lose a lot of fans I bet, but it would relieve some of the strain on his wrists.
LeeSsangRoks can't end this quickly. Take care of your wrist Flash, it would be a shame to lose a genius like that.
I was watching the GSI finals before, and Tasteless was like Stork just got beat on a Carrier map by a 15 year old genius... it left a huge impression on me the first time I watched it.
On June 25 2011 10:42 bokchoi wrote: Sounds like Flash has severe wrist tendinitis. The Korean articles mention that its an issue with the muscle. He has had his wrist checked on previously and there has never been any nerve issues or mention of possible CTS. If anything, it would be Flash's left hand that would get CTS since most of his APM is done with his left hand. I don't know if Flash has previously gotten cortisone injections, but that will probably be the first thing they do seeing how severe his condition is.
Hope the best for Flash. Would hate to see another Terran Bonjwa fall to this
I think in one of his interviews he said that he had gotten cortisone shots? I'm not sure though, might have been just a comment in that thread.
Flash says right here that he does not have nerve damage, so how can it be carpal tunnel?
Carpal tunnel happens because of pressure on the median nerve. It's not nerve damage, and it can be helped through surgery by severing the transverse carpal ligament that crosses it at the wrist to relieve pressure. If it's not treated, though, it can lead to atrophy of the muscles in the hand and other nastiness. Just today I realized I might have it myself... it hurts like hell. I really sympathize with him, being expected and wanting to perform well. I have a big recital coming up in a couple weeks (I play classical guitar) and I couldn't even practice today because of the pain :/ I hope Flash gets better soon!
I personally think that retirement would have been one of the options that he would have looked to take. He's still a young kid and and given what he's already achieved, probably there is no better time to leave I guess.
dam it, he should just not keep playing wtf... I can't believe he'd still play like that, that's ridiculous. If any star athlete had a tiny injury right before playoffs, even though they were trying to get that second place spot, it's still better to rest up and make sure it's all right.
How does this work with his mandatory army service? If he can't play SC he should do his army time, but with his wrists screwed up he can't do army service either I guess..
On June 25 2011 13:27 BLinD-RawR wrote: lol if flash retires + Show Spoiler +
will boxer hand him a copy of sc2? :p
I know you most likely said this as a joke. But that wouldn't make any sense ^_^
But yes, he is stubborn and most likely won't retire.
actually, flash has said in interviews that he would immediately retire when he feels that he can no longer perform to his standards (or something to that effect).
These kind of injuries are no joke. There should really be more awareness in the entire PC gaming community about the dangers of this. Like real sports, you have to take care of your body in esports.
That is just tape to move the muscle to a better location (that is what it is supposedly doing), it is used quite often in other sports. Hopefully he can recover, it would be a shame to see him have to stop playing at his age...
Maybe while he is recovering, KT will have him coach the other players more, especially BarrackS...
On June 26 2011 03:05 rift wrote: Of all the progamers for this to happen to, why did it have to be the best player of all time? He could win a diamond mouse ffs!
because he overworked himself. The number of hours he put in to win the golden mouse and golden badge is simply unimaginable.
On June 26 2011 03:05 rift wrote: Of all the progamers for this to happen to, why did it have to be the best player of all time? He could win a diamond mouse ffs!
because he overworked himself. The number of hours he put in to win the golden mouse and golden badge is simply unimaginable.
Well the thing is, so did other people. I think I've heard that Jaedong practices the longest among TBLS (in that Bisu-Jaedong interview) as a general rule (also heard Flash practices an insane number of hours when preparing for SLs). It's just incredibly sad that the injury had to happen, and to Flash of all people, because we probably get robbed of a couple years of his peak. Hopefully not, because Flash seems to be the type willing to go through pain just to excel. He just needs to maybe tone things down especially in PL cause at least in Starleagues he can prepare really efficient builds.
Might as well bring an update to something that has blown rather out of proportion... I do apologize for being the bearer of grim news.
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
On June 26 2011 03:05 rift wrote: Of all the progamers for this to happen to, why did it have to be the best player of all time? He could win a diamond mouse ffs!
because he overworked himself. The number of hours he put in to win the golden mouse and golden badge is simply unimaginable.
Well the thing is, so did other people. I think I've heard that Jaedong practices the longest among TBLS (in that Bisu-Jaedong interview) as a general rule (also heard Flash practices an insane number of hours when preparing for SLs). It's just incredibly sad that the injury had to happen, and to Flash of all people, because we probably get robbed of a couple years of his peak. Hopefully not, because Flash seems to be the type willing to go through pain just to excel. He just needs to maybe tone things down especially in PL cause at least in Starleagues he can prepare really efficient builds.
I'm sure we all know flash's twitch. That was because he didn't get enough sleep. He is the only player i've seen with a twitch too. Even just last year, in the korean air osl finals, he started twitching. I think this is just a case of "the higher you soar, the harder you fall."
On June 26 2011 03:05 rift wrote: Of all the progamers for this to happen to, why did it have to be the best player of all time? He could win a diamond mouse ffs!
because he overworked himself. The number of hours he put in to win the golden mouse and golden badge is simply unimaginable.
Well the thing is, so did other people. I think I've heard that Jaedong practices the longest among TBLS (in that Bisu-Jaedong interview) as a general rule (also heard Flash practices an insane number of hours when preparing for SLs). It's just incredibly sad that the injury had to happen, and to Flash of all people, because we probably get robbed of a couple years of his peak. Hopefully not, because Flash seems to be the type willing to go through pain just to excel. He just needs to maybe tone things down especially in PL cause at least in Starleagues he can prepare really efficient builds.
Theres a reason why there is someone like Flash and someone who wallows in the B-team. He put in a monumental effort to get where he is now. I'm sure TBLS all put in similar hours..but we should be very impressed and respectful of what flash has done. Preparing for and winning even one starleague is really really hard...being able to sustain #1 for a long time like Flash just shows the work ethic and passion he has. The only problem is that he has pushed himself too far.
As an icon of esports and the fact that his name carries enormous viewership and interest in progaming, Flash has a responsibility to make sure that he can continue to play safely. If the coaching team at KT had any common sense they would force him to stop playing for a while so that his wrist recovers. I hope flash can recover his health fully.
On June 26 2011 03:05 rift wrote: Of all the progamers for this to happen to, why did it have to be the best player of all time? He could win a diamond mouse ffs!
because he overworked himself. The number of hours he put in to win the golden mouse and golden badge is simply unimaginable.
Well the thing is, so did other people. I think I've heard that Jaedong practices the longest among TBLS (in that Bisu-Jaedong interview) as a general rule (also heard Flash practices an insane number of hours when preparing for SLs). It's just incredibly sad that the injury had to happen, and to Flash of all people, because we probably get robbed of a couple years of his peak. Hopefully not, because Flash seems to be the type willing to go through pain just to excel. He just needs to maybe tone things down especially in PL cause at least in Starleagues he can prepare really efficient builds.
Theres a reason why there is someone like Flash and someone who wallows in the B-team. He put in a monumental effort to get where he is now. I'm sure TBLS all put in similar hours..
I thought stork was lazy, playing WoW and smartphone games, watching anime etc.?
Progaming team should play very close attention to the health of their players - maybe force two minutes of exercises in between games. As the guy who brings tape and ruler to his booth I am sure he already play on a rather ergonomic setup.
I hope the individual leagues can accommodate him a bit and allow him to play near the end of the schedules giving him more time to rest. It will be terrible if his symptoms worsen.
Wonder if someone on TL will make him a get well card.
This is really sad news, he's so talented and dedicated, to have it taken away... From what everyone is saying about tendinitis is there really no hope for flash?
On June 26 2011 13:19 almond wrote: Do they really expect an injury that was probably built up for years to be healed in a "short period of time"?
Hope Flash makes the right decision for his future.
No, because the article said that he is going through intensive care for a short period of time, not to be healed quickly. Of course they don't expect to.
On June 25 2011 03:45 seol1500 wrote: [...] iloveoov broke his wrist during shower
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Seriously? I know some people get excited in the shower, but actually going so fast that you break your wrist is worthy of some kind of world record.
LOLOLOL
Really though, how did he break it in the shower? damn, i knew he fell or something iirc, but in a shower? <_>
at least iloveoov had a good run before the injury, and a long one at that (got bonjwa status :D)
Slip and fall accidents are really serious. You can get messed up pretty badly from falling wrong. Humans are really top heavy and men especially (iloveoov ESPECIALLY) carry a lot of muscle-mass above their center of gravity.
On June 26 2011 10:06 Spica wrote: Might as well bring an update to something that has blown rather out of proportion... I do apologize for being the bearer of grim news.
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
On June 26 2011 10:06 Spica wrote: Might as well bring an update to something that has blown rather out of proportion... I do apologize for being the bearer of grim news.
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
While yes, practice is important, I think it's worth having him get a little worse from not practicing everyday and instead go in for long-term treatment; otherwise this could really ruin his life.
Nerve damage in these cases are caused by tendons inflaming and then compressing the nerves that run along or in between those tendons. So in many cases you can infer that tendon inflammation = nerve damage.
Well if I was flash, I would take it easier with practice because what he's been doing (practicing until wrists feel like falling off) is career-ending. He should know that too much stress does more harm than good even in his out-of-game life.
Might as well bring an update to something that has blown rather out of proportion... I do apologize for being the bearer of grim news.
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
Might as well bring an update to something that has blown rather out of proportion... I do apologize for being the bearer of grim news.
KT Rolster's Flash is currently receiving intensive care for his right arm.
When Flash received an MRI scan on the 24th, the results confirmed that there were abnormal symptoms in his right forearm, wrist, and shoulder. The hospital that he went to diagnosed that Flash's right shoulder's ligaments were damaged, and that his forearm and wrist's muscles had bunched up together.
After Flash's diagnosis results came out, KT Rolster decided to receive intensive care from JDI sports rehabilitation specialized hospital. JDI is a famous professional health care corporation that specializes in treating injuries sustained by sports players in the knee, shoulder, and back areas.
Although Flash is in a situation where long term treatment is necessary for him, because he must participate in the Proleague regular season and post season along with the individual leagues immediately, he will be receiving intensive care for a short period of time. KT has chosen what the medical industry calls a proactive treatment therapy method, and Flash was seen on the 25th at the game stadium with taping on his right arm.
KT's manager Lee Ji Hoon stated, "If we exclude Flash's schedule during the Proleague regular season, he has time reserved for concentrating on treatment," and, "We'll see how the treatment goes and see whether or not if we'll send him out in Proleague."
So it looks like we'll seeing a lot less of Flash in Proleague... Which is a good thing for the sake of his health.
Well that explains it. Am I mean if I chuckled a bit at the fact that Flash was holding his left (uninjured) wrist in the pic?
it was his right arm that was injured? I always thought that it was his left arm since he had that bracelet and that the right arm is the mouse arm, with the left hand for the keyboard.
reading this probably was the saddest thing I've read in a while related to star craft. I think I might cry if things will turn out for the worst. I don't know much about bw, but in my eyes Flash is the most dominant terran that Korea has ever seen (correct me if I'm wrong!) and not seeing him anymore would break my heart
There isn't much to add. Flash has done everything from taking terran's traditionally weak matchup (tvp) and transforming it, to displaying his star sense in the most incredible situations imaginable.
We can only hope that he will recover, and that after this OSL he will have the possibility to take an actual break from SC. If he ever recovers his former level after a break is an entirely different question, more important is that he retains usage of his wrist for the rest of his life.
Glad to hear that they at least know what's wrong with him, and it sounds treatable which is a good thing. It's also nice to hear the KT is being proactive about his health, and putting that before his responsibilities. As a forever KT fan, I'd personally rather see KT lose if Flash's career is able to be saved than to see him throw away his career for them to win one season. Apparently a huge part of GGplay's problems were from CJ's reluctancy to bench him until he was physically unable to play. Glad to see KT not making the same mistake.
This is very unfortunate :\ I'm actually wish him to retire and rest for a while before this injury becomes something disastrous. ( I know it's very serious right now already, but could still be worse if KT push him in tight schedule in the far future right ? )
Don't get me wrong I do not wish to see Flash to retire during the peak of his career, but really we have to consider his safety.
i'm really worried for Flash. Stuff like this doesn't just go away.. it takes a miracle.. i'd like to see him stay in the game as much as anyone else, but i don't know if that may be a possibility. So, for the time being, i'm just gonna sit back and appreciate what he's brought to the sport. hope you get better, flash.
On June 27 2011 10:33 DuckS wrote: i'm really worried for Flash. Stuff like this doesn't just go away.. it takes a miracle.. i'd like to see him stay in the game as much as anyone else, but i don't know if that may be a possibility. So, for the time being, i'm just gonna sit back and appreciate what he's brought to the sport. hope you get better, flash.
well since Flash is God, I'm sure he can perform a miracle himself.
No, but seriously, I really hope Flash can take it easy and that his group is not extremely challenging. I would be sad to see him push himself and see that pain expression on his face.
On June 27 2011 23:27 GreEny K wrote: Wonder how he did it... Shoulder problems like that shouldn't develop from gaming.
When you lose mobility because of pain in your wrist, your other joints take up the slack and they are rather inefficient at it(I have very poor mobility in my ankles therefore I get knee pains easily). If Flash already injured his shoulder then this is quite serious.
On June 27 2011 05:29 w1nter wrote: reading this probably was the saddest thing I've read in a while related to star craft. I think I might cry if things will turn out for the worst. I don't know much about bw, but in my eyes Flash is the most dominant terran that Korea has ever seen (correct me if I'm wrong!) and not seeing him anymore would break my heart
I mean...Violet. I'd say that's the chart topper for tear jerkers...but that's just me. Speaking of...where did the KT Violet ribbon go? It used to be up..did I miss something here?
On topic...Flash needs a break, something fierce. The poor kid's too young to do this to his body and just like any sport, if you push too hard the sport will push back.
Still, obviously one of the most talented players to ever walk the scene. It would be an absolute shame to see him retire before he himself chose to.
On June 27 2011 23:27 GreEny K wrote: Wonder how he did it... Shoulder problems like that shouldn't develop from gaming.
It's a wrist problem.
Though shoulder problems also can come from gaming (Boxer had some right at the end of his BW career).
It's a little insane that they're letting him play with a serious injury, though. What if they do further damage to his arm!? Maybe it's not that that serious, but I can't imagine Flash's doctor okayed playing with a hurt arm when playing was what hurt his arm in the first place. He should go on hiatus, heal properly, and then come back when he's ready.
On June 28 2011 05:45 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: insert bionic arm jokes?
yellow retires, flash is injured, KT takes a huge blow in both strength and mentality
I cannot resist:
And guess who's in first place in Proleague? see sig
But really, I do hope Flash recovers, it would actually be terrible for eSports if the most dominating player of all is forced out due to health reasons.
I see some problems with working hours/conditions for these korean gamers, it's like they are being taken advantage of because they are kids and healthy at the beginning. I wonder how many gamers end up like Flash after a few years, and really... how many can afford being treated by the best medical team -- as in Flash's case.
whatever is wrong with him, i just hope he has a speedy and full recovery for his sake, and for his fans, so that he can continue his successful and entertaining career. get well soon flash
Flash has been the reason I play Terran and the reason I love starcraft. Seeing him hurt is a terrible feeling. I'm hopeful some time off and therapy will get him better again. I also think it's awful they made him play with pain killers... obviously that's going to screw up his play
sounds like they are doing this quick treatment to get him ready for the upcoming OSL, which could be his final shot at passing NaDa the way this is looking
Recent injuries of such amazing players as Flash and TLO are very deeply saddening, and make me review the whole premise of esports. I think we have a unique situation - a cultural phenomenon has risen of enormous importance in many people's lives, yet, it was never designed as such.
What I mean is: we play with keyboard and mouse. These input devices were not designed to be used in the intensive way we use them for gaming. And it's not just a kid's hobby anymore, it has become a serious sport that pushes to the limits of the human being.
So, it's probably time to think about redesigning the input devices for gaming, so that they do not cause injuries even after many years of dedicated effort. I know some would think this to be an exaggeration, but I expect at some point people to consider this issue.
On July 02 2011 05:01 figq wrote: Recent injuries of such amazing players as Flash and TLO are very deeply saddening, and make me review the whole premise of esports. I think we have a unique situation - a cultural phenomenon has risen of enormous importance in many people's lives, yet, it was never designed as such.
What I mean is: we play with keyboard and mouse. These input devices were not designed to be used in the intensive way we use them for gaming. And it's not just a kid's hobby anymore, it has become a serious sport that pushes to the limits of the human being.
So, it's probably time to think about redesigning the input devices for gaming, so that they do not cause injuries even after many years of dedicated effort. I know some would think this to be an exaggeration, but I expect at some point people to consider this issue.
This is not just an issue for gaming. Many office workers and other frequent computer users get RSI (and other less frequent injuries) from usage of mouse and keyboard. People have tried to come up with better alternatives. See for instance ergonomic keyboards and trackballs. However in the end we haven't been able to find as effective input methods that do not cause injury with about the same frequency. Good posture, frequent breaks, etc. minimizes the risk, but does not eliminate it. If the input device industry has not been able to provide a good alternative to the hundreds of millions of workers using keyboard and mouse in their day job, then I doubt that pressure from a comparatively very small industry such as e-sports will have any luck. People have considered the issue and continue to do so. Partial solutions have been found, but no real good one. A few starcraft players getting injuries is not going to register on their radar.
I think the best solution is to regularly check the condition of progamers and also to make sure that they follow good practices when it comes to mouse and keyboard usage. It is nice that kt seems to be giving flash a break, but I wonder if this whole thing could have been preempted if they had taken it more seriously and worried about Flash's health over proleague record when symptoms first started showing up. It obviously must be hard for kt to tell flash to sit a couple of matches out while getting dominated in proleague. It would probably be even harder for Flash himself to decide that he needs a break rather than practice 24/7 for that OSL/MSL final coming up vs Jaedong. However it would probably have been in both kt and flash's interest to have restricted his practice and eliminated him from at least non-essential matches.
On July 02 2011 05:06 lorkac wrote: In the distance, jaedong wishes you could /dance BW zerglings...
I really doubt it. Jaedong and Flash have been reported to be on friendly terms with eachother. I doubt Jaedong, or any progamer really, wants it to end like this. This is a terrible way for such a skilled progamer to be possibly getting out of the scene. I wouldn't have minded so much if a new genius presented himself, or if Jaedong/Stork/Bisu started dominating everyone and forced Flash to assume a position of just a good player relative to them, but at the moment everyone knows that Flash would be the best if he could continue as usual. If someone (likely Jaedong if anyone) starts dominating in the months where Flash focuses on his injury, then their reign will always be tainted somewhat by the fact that they haven't really proved themselves superior to the ultimate weapon. I'm really sad it has come to this and believe that no true starcraft fan is happy about Flash's current condition.
Flash was who got me interested in professional bw in the first place. The first pro bw match I ever saw was flash vs stork in gom classic. This better not be the last we have seen from Flash. I wish him a good (and hopefully speedy) recovery, and then he can start owning it up again. Lee Young Ho fighting!
On July 02 2011 05:01 figq wrote: Recent injuries of such amazing players as Flash and TLO are very deeply saddening, and make me review the whole premise of esports. I think we have a unique situation - a cultural phenomenon has risen of enormous importance in many people's lives, yet, it was never designed as such.
What I mean is: we play with keyboard and mouse. These input devices were not designed to be used in the intensive way we use them for gaming. And it's not just a kid's hobby anymore, it has become a serious sport that pushes to the limits of the human being.
So, it's probably time to think about redesigning the input devices for gaming, so that they do not cause injuries even after many years of dedicated effort. I know some would think this to be an exaggeration, but I expect at some point people to consider this issue.
It's all about having the right posture. There are guitarists who can move their fingers even faster, and on a ergonomically worse equipment.
Also, since Flash is a bit OCD (his ruler), it's not unlikely that he have put more strain on certain parts of his body than the other professional BW players, and if that "physical setup" that he always uses puts unnatural strain on some part of his hand or arm, it's very likely to lead to injuries. The normal player will play with a bad posture occasionally, but since they change posture so often, they don't put a strain on their muscles.
My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
On July 02 2011 09:03 Griffith` wrote: come to SC2 flash =( dont let SC1 destroy your arms
I'd rather see him like oov than to ever see him play SC2. On a brighter note, if it doesn't heal, become the next oov and teach barracks or suny how to dominate finals.
On July 02 2011 06:44 kamikami wrote: I think KT fans will send a bunch of SCVs to repaire him, so he will get back to full health in no time.
I wish I could draw. I wanna draw: Splitting SCV at the beginning of the game, but instead of to mineral patches, to parts of Flash's arm/wrist/hand and repair it with the 50 minerals.
Glad to see he is getting this taken care of, can't believe I didn't read about this sooner. Hopefully he will be able to have a speedy recovery and get back to dominating.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
For a sport like professional starcraft, I'm actually surprised at the LACK of similar injuries among players. Plenty of SC players play for years without problems, and you rarely hear players withdraw for this reason. Yes, I know no one hear about B-teamers, but the percentage who has this problem among players who actually play in the PL/SLs is still quite slim.
That said, I do like your idea that automizing is good. However, the other side of the coin is that it likely can't apply to BW, because there could be issues with racial balance.
So I'm really chalking this one up to either this being a problem with Flash himself, or that his team really does over-work him so much to cause this injury.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
For a sport like professional starcraft, I'm actually surprised at the LACK of similar injuries among players. Plenty of SC players play for years without problems, and you rarely hear players withdraw for this reason. Yes, I know no one hear about B-teamers, but the percentage who has this problem among players who actually play in the PL/SLs is still quite slim.
That said, I do like your idea that automizing is good. However, the other side of the coin is that it likely can't apply to BW, because there could be issues with racial balance.
So I'm really chalking this one up to either this being a problem with Flash himself, or that his team really does over-work him so much to cause this injury.
IMO it's all about his posture. I'd rather see more education (perhaps make it mandatory?) for progamers geared towards proper posture and rsi prevention. There are many SC players who are faster and have been playing longer than Flash without these kinds of injuries. Though I have also read that some people might simply be more prone to these types of problems than others, similar to having a greater risk for heart disease and such.
I'd much rather have players educated on safety rather than have them dumb down the game.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote:Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
I never understood this argument. The big reason why BW is so good is not because it's mechanically hard, but because since it is mechanically hard, you have to prioritize. In BW you can't do everything perfect in the same game. For instance, it's very easy to storm like Jangbi if you use like 5 hotkeys for your templars, but then you'll have to sacrifice other things. If you look at Flash, he's not known for being harrassive, but he have shown in many games that he can play like that too. Flash however have chosen to prioritize macro and unit positioning. Best is kind of the same. Seeing him use reavers is very rare, probably because he feels that he can't be the macro beast he is, when microing shuttle+reaver at the same time.
I dont really know flash besides what you eventually read here. But it's obvious that, when you play 12 hours a day, in the same posture, with the same movements and the same amazing speed, your muscles have to cramp sometimes. And when you are too addicted / pressured to stop playing, it will get stronger and stronger until the point of breakdown, which Flash obviously would hit in the near future without a break.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
Ummmm, What makes SC so good to watch and play is because of the mechanical challenging. If everyone can do what the pros can do whats exactly is the point of having a "professional gaming"? One thing that makes BW soo great is how professional can multitasking,macro, micro and etc better than most of us.
To those who say it's lack of proper health education - do you honestly think professional teams like KT or TL do not make sure their roster players apply the highest safety and caution known to science at the moment? Just because you apply a set of safety standards, and you don't get an injury, doesn't mean it guarantees health in all cases.
(how does that help anyway; if it's used by every pro, they'd still overextend themselves to even newer levels). The devices should be such that it doesn't benefit you to stress so many muscles, bones and joints in your body, the way it is now. And don't worry about gosu-ness, it can still be preserved; I'm not talking about input devices that become the great equalizer and as a result destroy professional gaming. Just such that are specifically designed for physiologically safe gaming. Even the so called "gaming" mouse and keyboard today are far from that. Because the original concept for mouse and keyboard, as tools, comes from a different designer's goal, and gaming for years was more of a fun exploit of these devices.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
We could just as well watch AIs play. What you're suggesting would be like replacing actual football with FIFA in the World Cup.
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
LOL dude, get out and go play chess or for you better will rather be checkers. These are more suitable for you.
Plz no ban. I had to do this, can't stand such people...
On July 02 2011 08:44 BrogMeister wrote: My opinion is that the APM-romanticizing culture of esports is preventing the devolopment of ergonomic input-methods and UIs. Managing an unergonomic UI is seen as a part of the sport. Effective macros and solutions such as the 12 button mouse Razer Naga need to encouraged and not seen as cheating. The more input-intensive tasks that can be automized -- automatic marine splitting, making qued production equal to unqued, etc -- the better for long-term ergonomics and the more sustainable SC becomes as a career choice. The alternative is this.
Pitching is really hard on the pitcher's arms, lets just give him a machine that pitches for him so he can just sit on the mound selecting the pitches he wants.
On July 03 2011 04:55 FiLmBoT wrote: why are some many people getting hurt TLO and now flash two?
Problem is that Flash is playing SCBW which is far more micro-intensive than SC2. So TLO hopefully will be okay, while Flash's injury might cost him his entire career.
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