Top 5 Foreigners Of All Time

On February 06 2005 13:55 Nal_Testie wrote:
Grrrr is #1 regardless if it comes to accomplishments.

On February 06 2005 14:11 EchoOfRain wrote:
what about whear?

On February 06 2005 14:12 GG-SlavV wrote:
grrrr... elky naz legionnaire and assem for being the highest ranking foreigners on KeSPA which determines a progamers rank and those are the only ones who have ever gained full professional gamer status (i believe). I don't think you can rely argue with this.

P.S. Leg beating Boxer was big and Leg beating XellOs and being only foreigner to ever get mvp award sould rely put him in lists.

On February 06 2005 14:19 Ghardo wrote:
to me the talent of a player is more interesting, as accomplishments (we are speaking here about korea - wcg and such) are dependant on luck, environment, chances, connections, desire etc. etc.

so as far as raw talent is concerned it would be something like (order's not that important):

#1 Slayer
#2 SaFT
#3 NTT
#4 Nazgul
#5 sVEN

On February 06 2005 14:13 k3fka wrote:
1.hovz
2.hovz
3.hovz
4.hovz
5.hovz

On February 06 2005 14:23 Patriot.dlk wrote:


What do you know about ppls talent? SaFT played so fucking much that he could compete with koreans level of activity... Thats not talent its just practice and practice!

On February 06 2005 14:49 BeJJe1 wrote:
im sorry NonY, ill cater to your every wish. Not. And i did tell you who i felt later up above.

On February 06 2005 14:13 k3fka wrote:
1.hovz
2.hovz
3.hovz
4.hovz
5.hovz

On February 06 2005 14:19 Ghardo wrote:
to me the talent of a player is more interesting, as accomplishments (we are speaking here about korea - wcg and such) are dependant on luck, environment, chances, connections, desire etc. etc.

so as far as raw talent is concerned it would be something like (order's not that important):

#1 Slayer
#2 SaFT
#3 NTT
#4 Nazgul
#5 sVEN

On February 06 2005 15:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Grrrr
Elky
Slayer/myself
NTT

Grrr and Elky should really speak for themselves. If you think about there's noone who is able to claim one of their spots in this list.

Possible changes that I would consider are switching myself one position with Slayer and maybe replacing NTT with someone I cannot think of right now.

For people wondering how I dare to considering myself equal to Slayer (which I don't per definition - I think it's a tossup and understand anyone picking him over me, but the other way aroudn as well)

I won WCG NLD three times (Slayer won WCG Norway zero times though to his credit only two tries of which 1 when he was active) including a 4-1 win over NTT (included on most lists) and many wins over Strafe/Twisted/Ret
5th in 2001 (wins over Tomson Fisheye Gundam MTY CQ2000 ending up 5th with that)
7th in 2002
1st in two of the earlier WGTour seasons, got second in the 3rd (2-3 final vs Saft)
1st two TL tournaments, got second in the third
1st PGChallenge 2003 in Prague (Socke Daaman Fisheye Destroyer)
1st OsloLAN 2003 (splitted 1st, we never played the final due to misserable organization)

This is a list excluding anything I have done in Korea to make it fair. Probably forgetting some stuff as well. I'd say that should give Slayer a run for his money.

Arrogance or realism? who knows. I just felt like digging up some results since I doubt anyone remembers them.

On February 06 2005 16:05 hasuwar wrote:
Slayer, NTT, Sven, Grrrr, Elky, Yosh, Nazgul, Didi, Saft, Fennec, Smuft, Froz..no order

On February 06 2005 16:08 Pob wrote:
1 - Grr....
2 - Elky
3 - Zileas
4 - Slayer
5 - NTT

On February 06 2005 15:03 Patriot.dlk wrote:
He earned it by playing like hell.. Its almost a insult calling him talented really... Its like neji vs rock lee fealing.. Not fair having talent =P

On February 06 2005 15:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Arrogance or realism? who knows. I just felt like digging up some results since I doubt anyone remembers them.

On February 06 2005 15:03 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Stupid thing to say. Talent is when you gain skill really fast. Something SaFT didn't do. He earned it by playing like hell.. Its almost a insult calling him talented really... Its like neji vs rock lee fealing.. Not fair having talent =P

On February 06 2005 16:33 Bizkit wrote:

I dont know about that, he got realy good at the game from the start in a short period of time... thats raw skillz imo...

On February 06 2005 15:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Grrrr
Elky
Slayer/myself
NTT

Grrr and Elky should really speak for themselves. If you think about there's noone who is able to claim one of their spots in this list.

Possible changes that I would consider are switching myself one position with Slayer and maybe replacing NTT with someone I cannot think of right now.

For people wondering how I dare to considering myself equal to Slayer (which I don't per definition - I think it's a tossup and understand anyone picking him over me, but the other way aroudn as well)

I won WCG NLD three times (Slayer won WCG Norway zero times though to his credit only two tries of which 1 when he was active) including a 4-1 win over NTT (included on most lists) and many wins over Strafe/Twisted/Ret
5th in 2001 (wins over Tomson Fisheye Gundam MTY CQ2000 ending up 5th with that)
7th in 2002
1st in two of the earlier WGTour seasons, got second in the 3rd (2-3 final vs Saft)
1st two TL tournaments, got second in the third
1st PGChallenge 2003 in Prague (Socke Daaman Fisheye Destroyer)
1st OsloLAN 2003 (splitted 1st, we never played the final due to misserable organization)

This is a list excluding anything I have done in Korea to make it fair. Probably forgetting some stuff as well. I'd say that should give Slayer a run for his money.

Arrogance or realism? who knows. I just felt like digging up some results since I doubt anyone remembers them.

On February 06 2005 16:16 TreK[cF] wrote:
I dont think Elky accomplished much either he was simply not good enough for the koreans altho he got 2nd in wcg once which probably was his greatest performance. Maynard the same he was an awesome gamer but these 2 couldnt compete with the games per day the koreans were doing.

On February 06 2005 16:16 TreK[cF] wrote:
eVERLAST was the first foreign progamer in korea but he wasnt anything special and couldnt compete at a higherlevel over there and became more of a commentatoryguy and did other various things i think...

Skillwise SaFT was one of the best in his time but he didnt get many chances to prove himself but the GAME-Q tournament which was cancelled and in WCG he kind of blew it.

Id say sweden was the best gaming nation at one time...-99 or -00 with daaman multi straylight and 5th clan and a little later )Si( nd ~yyr so i could easily place 10 swedes in top 20 world on an early stage and i think daaman could agree on that :p (atleast his personal favourite multifaith).

I dont think Elky accomplished much either he was simply not good enough for the koreans altho he got 2nd in wcg once which probably was his greatest performance. Maynard the same he was an awesome gamer but these 2 couldnt compete with the games per day the koreans were doing.

Whoever DONT place slayer as 2nd after GRRR is pretty ignorant...slayer was probably the worlds best player when he played ACTIVE and he learned the game fast...as daaman did but im pretty sure everyone agrees that GRRR has had most achevements and also had the coolest playstyle ... so 1. GRRR 2. Slayer other than that we have nobody who has shown themself outside korea that can win on a regular basis vs koreans.

So id rather have top 5 cool gamingstyles (of foreigners) !
1. NTT ( nobody can disagree on that )
2. Grrr ( the grrr exp was awesome when u saw old mpegs of it on bw.com )
3. Tsunami ( he could easily win games with units that nobody used and played really different )
4. Satanik ( satanik is a do or die strategy user very often and has really funny strategies too )
5. Smuft ( id say smufts canon mannering made me laugh alot of times when watching -.-V )

id say these 5 have a natural talent and creativity that makes broodwar fun too watch....everyone else, including me, are pretty much mainstream and its kinda boring that ppl like us can catch up to these players so fast with alot of games per day or replays per day that talent doesnt mean as much....cause seriously we all know...boxer and yellow are the most "TALENTED" broodwar players

On February 06 2005 16:16 TreK[cF] wrote:
So id rather have top 5 cool gamingstyles (of foreigners) !
1. NTT ( nobody can disagree on that )
2. Grrr ( the grrr exp was awesome when u saw old mpegs of it on bw.com )
3. Tsunami ( he could easily win games with units that nobody used and played really different )
4. Satanik ( satanik is a do or die strategy user very often and has really funny strategies too )
5. Smuft ( id say smufts canon mannering made me laugh alot of times when watching -.-V )

id say these 5 have a natural talent and creativity that makes broodwar fun too watch....everyone else, including me, are pretty much mainstream and its kinda boring that ppl like us can catch up to these players so fast with alot of games per day or replays per day that talent doesnt mean as much....cause seriously we all know...boxer and yellow are the most "TALENTED" broodwar players

On February 06 2005 16:59 Nal_Testie wrote:
Correction, read before you post Testie.

However, there was no need to do all that Testie bashing. I've seen enough of it. And in my defense this is the only WCG i've ever practiced for.

On February 06 2005 16:43 Dealer wrote:
Slayer played 0 wcg's when he was active, he practiced a VERY tiny bit before the one i 2001 when he thought he had missed his shot but wcg allowed sven/slayer/arch and i believe zealot to play for a spot since the qualifiers were in stockholm. And NTT wasn't very active when you played your series against him? If you knew how much he played when he was active you wouldn't say so

Slayers KBK win is probably one of the greatest achievments any foreigner has ever done, he did it among a HORDE of really strong koreans, that's miles before a top10 finish in a wcg with 3/4 koreans and about 10-15 good foreigners. Saft has won quite many european tournaments so if you place yourself equal to slayer (who has also won a fair amount of them) you should no doubt put him above NTT who apart from his #3 WCGC didn't really accomplish that much in big tournaments. I hope the guy who said he did well in kbk meant getting to korea, because he didn't do well in the finals.

On February 06 2005 17:35 Breavman wrote:
I don't see how some people can not have Elky at second place. Starleague is the greatest tournament and he did really well for a long period of time. Didn't he even have the record for most wins in a row at some time? I can understand putting someone like Slayer ahead of him if going by talent or skill, but not in accomplishments. One tournament win vs top competition just isn't enough when looking at Elky's record.

On February 06 2005 17:39 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think winning that tournament was more impressive than placing well in all the tourneys elky placed well in. elky was never really close to winning any of them, while slayer was the best player in the world.

it's just more impressive to me.

On February 06 2005 17:40 Dealer wrote:


Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder?

On February 06 2005 16:47 k3fka wrote:
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trek , elky is 2nd without doubt , ur arrogance is pretty high. he also got 4th in an ongamenet starleague , he won more progamers live than probably grrr himself. He owned hot forever and made him look like a newbie z vs t.

and for the idiots that said testie , lets check hes accomplishments:
-2nd in wcg canada after like 3000050606932950249509982945 tries
-top 16 i think in wcg. (considering there were 4 wcgs before this , there are 40 more players with more accomplishments than him)
-Caught hacking various times , and him , like mr trek , denied it to dead till the proves showed it.

in contrast Grrr elky Slayer fisheye NTT nazgul and leg (it was roxxor when he owned the entire pantel curichel or something liek that proteam).

On February 06 2005 17:40 Dealer wrote:
Well, that Elky lost like 9 times out of 10 when he played the better foreigners in events certainly makes you wonder?

On February 06 2005 17:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Starleague is way, way harder than KBK, which is harder than WCG.

Elky qualified for Starleague 5 times in a row, held the record for most consecutive wins - 9/10 wins according to himself, and finished top 4 once. These are MERELY his Starleague results. There is absolutely no way Slayers or ANYONE else's (Grrrr excluded) results come even close to being as impressive as Elky's.

On February 06 2005 17:43 hasuwar wrote:
Can someone list what elky has done? I mean, I really don't know of anything other than second in WCG..and everyone seems to think he's super super deserving of second after grrrr.

On February 06 2005 17:50 Famouzze wrote:
btw in my not-so-humble opinion NTT is by far the most overrated bw player of all time. no way does he deserve to be in top 5 of all time list, MAYBE top 50. maybe it was just something about my style vs his but i played him many times in his prime and he never impressed me. he reminds me of hovz more than someone like slayer - his mouth faster than his mouse.

On February 06 2005 17:50 soundwave wrote:


Man... not sure about his whole achievements but back in 2001 early 2002 elky was a fucking terran killing machine. I watched his games religiously he was nails behind of being missplaced for a korean if you wouldn't tell me he was actually elky.

Strange no one has mentiones his liquibition streak on crystal, blackman, beast and rekrul, ending only to also powerful but threw away his talent and bw career to drugs Smuft

Elky swept the hell out of everybody in WCG2001 not just that he got 2nd but the way he easly destroyed his opponents, plus he was in starleague every time, he won I don't remember how many consecutve matches but it was a good streak.

As I said Smuft and specially Blackman would have had a great career but drugs destroyed them.

On February 06 2005 17:52 Dealer wrote:


The only play faster than NTT outside of Korea was Slayer, so he certainly didn't fail on mousespeed.

Though, you know nothing about what you speak.

On February 06 2005 17:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

That's such a cheap shot it's ridiculous. Elky's time came later and this is not about who learned what the fastest. When Elky was ready for it he was beating every foreigner that qualified (including Sven at WCG 2001 who you just put at the level of the best Koreans at that time) for any WCG.

His WCG finishes and Starleague results crush anyone but Grrrr's =[

On February 06 2005 17:54 Famouzze wrote:


maybe at hitting the S key. but even if he was as fast as Nada it wouldn't be able to keep up with his mouth.

like i said i played NTT numerous times in his prime, so i'd like to know on what basis you say I know nothing of what i speak?

On February 06 2005 17:54 Famouzze wrote:


maybe at hitting the S key. but even if he was as fast as Nada it wouldn't be able to keep up with his mouth.

like i said i played NTT numerous times in his prime, so i'd like to know on what basis you say I know nothing of what i speak?

On February 06 2005 17:52 TreK[cF] wrote:
haha blackman druguser? i thought he went to some vampiric underground club and semi died or something :o

On February 06 2005 17:58 Dealer wrote:


And what if he only screwed around against you? Wouldn't be surprising from him. Why would the games against you even matter? Unless of course you show me the tournament where he lost to you.

On February 06 2005 17:57 TreK[cF] wrote:



just cause u played someone more than once doesnt make u know everything about a person right ? it was hard cuz reps came out so late ppl couldnt see all of NTT's style until very late...im sure dealer knows alot about NTT that we others dont cuz they simply were very good friends i guess

On February 06 2005 17:57 TreK[cF] wrote:



just cause u played someone more than once doesnt make u know everything about a person right ? it was hard cuz reps came out so late ppl couldnt see all of NTT's style until very late...im sure dealer knows alot about NTT that we others dont cuz they simply were very good friends i guess

On February 06 2005 18:01 Famouzze wrote:


http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=3384



so what? dealer knew him better so my observations of him are completely wrong?

On February 06 2005 18:04 TreK[cF] wrote:
ahhh another NTT rep thx ! :D

On February 06 2005 17:18 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I was playing with NTT every day when we had to play for our WCG, I'm quite sure he was active

On February 06 2005 19:26 As.I.Lay.Dying wrote:
1.Grrr
2.Elky
3.GiYoM
4.Testie
5.Satanik

Odd list eh?

On February 06 2005 15:39 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Grrrr
Elky
Slayer/myself
NTT

Grrr and Elky should really speak for themselves. If you think about there's noone who is able to claim one of their spots in this list.

Possible changes that I would consider are switching myself one position with Slayer and maybe replacing NTT with someone I cannot think of right now.

For people wondering how I dare to considering myself equal to Slayer (which I don't per definition - I think it's a tossup and understand anyone picking him over me, but the other way aroudn as well)

I won WCG NLD three times (Slayer won WCG Norway zero times though to his credit only two tries of which 1 when he was active) including a 4-1 win over NTT (included on most lists) and many wins over Strafe/Twisted/Ret
5th in 2001 (wins over Tomson Fisheye Gundam MTY CQ2000 ending up 5th with that)
7th in 2002
1st in two of the earlier WGTour seasons, got second in the 3rd (2-3 final vs Saft)
1st two TL tournaments, got second in the third
1st PGChallenge 2003 in Prague (Socke Daaman Fisheye Destroyer)
1st OsloLAN 2003 (splitted 1st, we never played the final due to misserable organization)

This is a list excluding anything I have done in Korea to make it fair. Probably forgetting some stuff as well. I'd say that should give Slayer a run for his money.

Arrogance or realism? who knows. I just felt like digging up some results since I doubt anyone remembers them.

On February 06 2005 19:32 dork_of_death!! wrote:


lol yes

especially when some people appear twice

On February 06 2005 19:32 dork_of_death!! wrote:


lol yes

especially when some people appear twice

On February 06 2005 18:31 Hydrolisko wrote:
#1 is Maynard

The rest in no particular order: grr, zileas, tsunami, agent911

On February 06 2005 19:09 Slaughter)BiO wrote:
How far apart was Slayers and Elkys Primes? Because Slayer won KbK with a lot of koreans but that was BACK IN THE DAY. The best koreans then would die to mid level koreans of today. So maybe Slayer stormed the SC scene when koreans were not as good but elky was playing vs them when they were more developed? I dont know ~_~ and what did Maynard do? Everyone talks about him but I know like 0 about him.

On February 06 2005 22:37 IamLove wrote:
1. Grrr..
2. Elky
3. (orky)Asmodey
4. Smuft
5. Maynard

On February 06 2005 14:12 GG-SlavV wrote:

P.S. Leg beating Boxer was big and Leg beating XellOs and being only foreigner to ever get mvp award sould rely put him in lists.

On February 07 2005 00:14 Twitt wrote:
1. Grrr
2. Elky
3. Slayer
4. Legionnaire
5. Nazgul

On February 07 2005 00:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
Anyone remember what [DEF] and [iDEF] stood for?

On February 07 2005 01:26 Patriot.dlk wrote:
People is just to damn stupid really... I just wanna puke seing those stupid posts like placing grrr twice or making zelias top 5 ever?!

1. Grrr
2. Tie slayer/elky... KBK and starleauge is just tie...
3. Nazgul
5. Smuft

On February 06 2005 14:08 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
everlast accomplished nothing. He had a huge rep in the western world but was killed by amatour korean kids.

#1 is Grrr, no question.
#2 is Elky, also no question.
#3 Slayer
#4 NTT for doing well in kbk
#5 REally hard since nobody else did anything. Naz did good in two wcg, mr.x did good in 1 or 2 kbk, dunno dunno:o

On February 07 2005 04:29 weedlover wrote:
can we turn this topic to: Top 5 foreigners right now? or shall someone make it ? or is it already such a topic?

On February 07 2005 05:33 [ErOs]~InCoGniTo wrote:
My list would be :
#1 Grrr....
#2 Elky
#3 Delicato
#4 Slayer
#5 Saft

On February 07 2005 05:27 LogaiN wrote:
Funny how drone mentiones Fisheye and suddenly all three people after the post pick him ;D

On February 07 2005 06:14 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Delicato?
What did delicato ever accomplish :o?

On February 07 2005 06:12 Nal_Testie wrote:


There's no debate on that though.

Testie / Mondragon -> Fuck the rest.
;P

On February 06 2005 15:03 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Stupid thing to say. Talent is when you gain skill really fast. Something SaFT didn't do. He earned it by playing like hell.. Its almost a insult calling him talented really... Its like neji vs rock lee fealing.. Not fair having talent =P

On February 06 2005 22:29 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Uhm Slayer won KBK with mainly terran as far as I know. I think he turned into a race picker a little later, but he might have already been. Slayer was one of the original mechanical terrans and wrote a strategy guide that can still be used today.

NTT is known for his many many command centers and many many scv. Like Elky x2. I guess most of the GGplayers picked up the same TvP style - turtle - expand - turtle - expand, rinse and repeat untill toss dies.

On February 07 2005 12:30 Jolly wrote:
1. TreK
2. Smuft
3. DeliCato
4. WhiZ
5. DaZe

On February 07 2005 09:41 niklasTHEfro wrote:
tsunami? he sucked

On February 06 2005 14:00 GG-SlavV wrote:
Grrrr...
Elky
Nazgul
Legionnaire
Assem

On February 07 2005 17:12 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
if that is what you think, then you don't know anything about smuft =[