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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
June 09 2011 07:25 GMT
#81
I really miss the beach location. Several players perform better in Busan due to it being their hometown; Fantasy comes to mind. I think holding the final in China detracts from the sense of Korean pride I usually like to see in the leagues.

If it's -big- however, I will be happy and satisfied as a fan. Numbers should be the most important deciding factor. The BW scene needs numbers. Hope it's not another invite only small China finals.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 09 2011 07:44 GMT
#82
On June 09 2011 16:08 ehalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 13:20 d_so wrote:
On June 09 2011 13:14 white_horse wrote:
the fomos article seems to suggest that kespa or OGN (whoever is running this) is trying to spread brood war e-sports to the international level, which in itself imo isn't bad but considering how professional BW outside korea is dead, its a pretty idiotic decision. people are so stupid these days


i think korea's definition of international and the western definition is different. Korea's "international" probably means just China. Western definition of "international" is all the players who have met limited success at BW and have moved over to SC2.

Nor do I think Korea is too interested in getting Chinese players, though a few wouldnt hurt to boost appeal (think: Nikoon in 2pm, that chinese guy in super junior, that chinese girl in FX). They're more interested in the masses and masses of fans.


Unfortunately, currently there are no Chinese BW players. There are maybe some fans playing BW, but there is no profession BW gamers anymore and of course no BW team. Only few fan clans exist. It's literally impossible for Kespa to attract Chinese players to play BW since all the Chinese young RTS ppl are playing WC3, DOTA, SC2.


It's not about making Chinese players to play BW at all...
They just want to put out feelers. Like to see how to arrange broadcasting with local channels, making good contacts with local e-sports representatives etc. MBC and OGN, who are probably the ones responsible for having grand finals in Shanghai do not only broadcast SCBW and may consider enlarging e-sports audience to China, for games other than BW.


On June 09 2011 16:10 Iplaythings wrote:
I feel sorry for the koreans. And happy for the chineese. And neutral cus I am gonna be in Denmark at that time, I hope the flight wont have a negative effect on the games


Flight didn't seem to impact the quality of the KA S2 OSL at all, so I'm pretty confident ! Hope you're not too disappointed to be in Denmark this summer :p
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 09 2011 08:19 GMT
#83
On June 09 2011 16:08 ehalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 13:20 d_so wrote:
On June 09 2011 13:14 white_horse wrote:
the fomos article seems to suggest that kespa or OGN (whoever is running this) is trying to spread brood war e-sports to the international level, which in itself imo isn't bad but considering how professional BW outside korea is dead, its a pretty idiotic decision. people are so stupid these days


i think korea's definition of international and the western definition is different. Korea's "international" probably means just China. Western definition of "international" is all the players who have met limited success at BW and have moved over to SC2.

Nor do I think Korea is too interested in getting Chinese players, though a few wouldnt hurt to boost appeal (think: Nikoon in 2pm, that chinese guy in super junior, that chinese girl in FX). They're more interested in the masses and masses of fans.


Unfortunately, currently there are no Chinese BW players. There are maybe some fans playing BW, but there is no profession BW gamers anymore and of course no BW team. Only few fan clans exist. It's literally impossible for Kespa to attract Chinese players to play BW since all the Chinese young RTS ppl are playing WC3, DOTA, SC2.


You don't have to be a professional BW player to enjoy watching BW . If you ever played BW or like watching games for entertainment as a whole you will surely enjoy watching the most professional gamers ever with commentary in your language . Even the korean commentators make the games really exciting even thought i don't understand them . And BW is way more entertaining to watch them other games including SC 2 .
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
June 09 2011 08:36 GMT
#84
Hmm... that means most Korean fans won't get to watch the finals in person.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 09 2011 08:48 GMT
#85
On June 09 2011 15:38 endy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS IS AWESOME MY WILDEST DREAMS OF SEEING PROLEAGUE GRAND FINALS BECOMES TRUE AND I DONT EVEN NEED TO GO TO KOREA ?!

I'm at office right now, but can't stop smiling, this is so PERFECT. I feel so lucky and didn't even do anything special to deserve such a treat. I know exactly how one must feel when winning the lottery jackpot.

Damn I can't even believe it, this is wonderful.

The irony is that next month I'll start a new project for a Korean customer and may be sent on-site lol. I'll make sure to be home on week end !

at least someone is happy haha..
Writerptrk
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
June 09 2011 08:56 GMT
#86
On June 09 2011 13:02 Comet702 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 11:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 09 2011 11:53 Troxior wrote:
Lets hope its larger than the last shanghai finals held there. While that was cool it was too small. This should be fun this change of venuE!


Seriously that 300 spectators only crap was stupid.

Is BW still big in china?


definitely yes! we have 5 famous Chinese BW websites, professoinal Chinese commatators and millions of BW fans here in China.
to tell you the truth I am from one of the 5 BW websites, wfbrood.com.


If you have millions of fans then break record at Busan at least.
There's no S in KT. :P
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
June 09 2011 08:58 GMT
#87
Why not beijing
Dear Sixsmith...
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 09 2011 09:04 GMT
#88
On June 09 2011 17:48 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 15:38 endy wrote:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS IS AWESOME MY WILDEST DREAMS OF SEEING PROLEAGUE GRAND FINALS BECOMES TRUE AND I DONT EVEN NEED TO GO TO KOREA ?!

I'm at office right now, but can't stop smiling, this is so PERFECT. I feel so lucky and didn't even do anything special to deserve such a treat. I know exactly how one must feel when winning the lottery jackpot.

Damn I can't even believe it, this is wonderful.

The irony is that next month I'll start a new project for a Korean customer and may be sent on-site lol. I'll make sure to be home on week end !

at least someone is happy haha..


Oh sure I am :D

By the way, I wanted to open a blog on TL to share my last night dream, but I'll do it here :

I dreamed that I participated an online amateur singing contest, with a mystery grand prize, I sang and recorded "DTs on Top" an put it online, and I won the whole contest. In my dream I was so pumped, like "haha when I'm gonna tell that on TL, its gonna be so sick!" then still in my dream, the website that organized the contest sent someone to interview me and announce me what the grand prize was as, my alarm clock rang and I woke up T_T

I guess I got my grand prize anyway !

I just hope SKT doesn't fail to be in the Grand Finals.
Just like Nada and Boxer failed to reach semis of that SC2 tournament which had semis and finals played in Shanghai T_T I could have seen two more bonjwas on the same day (already saw Flash and JD last September).

Last word : Seeing Bisu would be even better than seeing all the bonjwas together.
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ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
June 09 2011 09:10 GMT
#89
FUUUUUUUUUU why did i go on vacation there at the beginning of summer instead of the end?!
the courage to be a lazy bum
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
June 09 2011 10:26 GMT
#90
Are there any korean netizen response to this? Im fairly disappointed in this decision. I can understand OSL or MSL finals in China since its happens like once every 4 months, but a proleague finals happens once every 1.5 year or so.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 10:41:59
June 09 2011 10:32 GMT
#91
On June 09 2011 13:51 Caladbolg wrote: China is THE next e-sports capital (sorry Sweden). .


Likely what KesPA is thinking, as well, but... I think they're miscalculating. Professional BW is dead outside of Korea. They'll get the diehards in China, but the diehards would've watched the PL finals wherever it is, and I doubt the admission fee is going to cover the costs especially after accounting for currency differences.

On June 09 2011 14:19 d_so wrote:
they certainly rock at dota.


And wisdom suggests if you want to expand eSports in China, you should play the games they're playing. Of course, KesPA being a BW organization doesn't have much of a choice in the matter.

As someone who's been observing the Chinese scene in various games, I think the interest is there, but there is a lack of money and official support. Outside of Dota, which has good (though not great) sponsorship, all the other games have limited funding, few pro teams, and mediocre tournaments.

Moreover, both the government and the society seem to have relatively conservative attitudes - ie games are a waste of time. That's not too different from most other places, but might be compounded by Chinese parents being allowed to have only one child and consequently placing all their expectations on that child.

It's not an environment that I'd think would be supportive of an old game like BW. If eSports is to become huge in China, it'd probably have to do so with the newer generations, and the newer generations tend to play games that aren't BW. SC 2 had a chance, but its official release being delayed a year did not help the scene. On the other hand, there's something about Dota and Dota-like games that is really liked there. Maybe they just have a different kind of gaming culture.
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 10:45:37
June 09 2011 10:38 GMT
#92
On June 09 2011 19:26 Rhaegar99 wrote:
Are there any korean netizen response to this? Im fairly disappointed in this decision. I can understand OSL or MSL finals in China since its happens like once every 4 months, but a proleague finals happens once every 1.5 year or so.

The Korean netizens are outraged and disgusted at the decision. Sure, there are very few fans who are like, "Well, this might be good for the BW/eSports scene as a whole...", but they are far outnumbered by the pissed off fans. There is cursing at the news everywhere and lots of ㅠㅠㅠㅠ emoticons as well. Some netizens are even saying, "Augh, the finals are gonna end up in epic failure now...."
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
June 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#93
I went all Sadface when I saw this, they're gonna have to promise to provide a kiddie pool or something for Fantasy and Best to muck around in like FBH when they do their victory celebration, no ocean y'know.

HOLY SHIT my older brother works in Shanghai. Nevermind, he is TOTALLY going to this q;



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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 10:54:51
June 09 2011 10:52 GMT
#94
On June 09 2011 19:38 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 19:26 Rhaegar99 wrote:
Are there any korean netizen response to this? Im fairly disappointed in this decision. I can understand OSL or MSL finals in China since its happens like once every 4 months, but a proleague finals happens once every 1.5 year or so.

The Korean netizens are outraged and disgusted at the decision. Sure, there are very few fans who are like, "Well, this might be good for the BW/eSports scene as a whole...", but they are far outnumbered by the pissed off fans. There is cursing at the news everywhere and lots of ㅠㅠㅠㅠ emoticons as well. Some netizens are even saying, "Augh, the finals are gonna end up in epic failure now...."

Yeah a lot of Korean fans work very hard to support their players, going to matches and organising events etc even though they have school to attend. Now they can't even go to watch their team live at the most important event of the year.

Edit:
But I suppose this keeps their sponsors happy and PL does need major sponsors to keep it going.
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kidleader
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Korea (South)233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 11:06:07
June 09 2011 11:05 GMT
#95
Awww :/ I'm moving to Korea soon (Ulsan) and this was on my to-do list. Goddamnit.
Tokyo Seoul London New York \\ SlayerS, KT
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
June 09 2011 12:30 GMT
#96
A national and traditional event to be held oversea. wtf KeSPA. If it's not for the money and sponsors, then what, what the point of this. It's like the world snooker championship leaves Crucible for ShangHai lol
everstarleague
Profile Joined December 2009
China89 Posts
June 09 2011 12:47 GMT
#97
Wonderful! Maybe I will go Shanghai for this.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
June 09 2011 12:49 GMT
#98
Reading between the lines: I hope this isn't a response to not being allowed in Busan.

I think this is a bad business decision, but those guys know a lot more about the state of the scene and about business that I do, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I hope that they get a much better stadium than the OSL one though.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8637 Posts
June 09 2011 13:02 GMT
#99
what the fuck??
why the fuck are the finals being held in china when theyve done shit all to support pro bw
this is fkin retarded
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
June 09 2011 13:23 GMT
#100
If this opens the way to a tv contract or something in China then that is awesome. If this is just some stunt about international Brood War then it is pretty lame thing to do to all the Korean BW fans.
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