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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 09 2011 04:03 GMT
#41
I wonder what Korean netizen reactions are like.

Damn Dogspa.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 09 2011 04:05 GMT
#42
On June 09 2011 13:03 Zona wrote:
I wonder what Korean netizen reactions are like.

Damn Dogspa.


from what I see on Fomos they are herra pissed. there's been 3 articles on it, the latter two seemingly intent on assuaging the hate on the boards... it's not working tho
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Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
June 09 2011 04:09 GMT
#43
ok, Can anyone comfirm this news? if it is true i will post it on my website. www.wfbrood.com
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 09 2011 04:11 GMT
#44
On June 09 2011 13:02 Comet702 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 11:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 09 2011 11:53 Troxior wrote:
Lets hope its larger than the last shanghai finals held there. While that was cool it was too small. This should be fun this change of venuE!


Seriously that 300 spectators only crap was stupid.

Is BW still big in china?


definitely yes! we have 5 famous Chinese BW websites, professoinal Chinese commatators and millions of BW fans here in China.
to tell you the truth I am from one of the 5 BW websites, wfbrood.com.

the question is how many of the fans will be allowed to show up? "Security concerns" or whatever? I'm sure the fanbase was comparable during those OSL finals.

There's no doubt there's plenty of BW fans in China.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
June 09 2011 04:11 GMT
#45
That's a real shame, I thought they really hit on a great idea by making it totally public and on the beach in Busan. I think the Chinese are doing this only because they are getting another excuse to have Bisu back in China, when will the US follow suit
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 09 2011 04:13 GMT
#46
On June 09 2011 13:09 Comet702 wrote:
ok, Can anyone comfirm this news? if it is true i will post it on my website. www.wfbrood.com


fomos has 3 articles discussing it. First one announcing the news, the second one intimating that the fans already knew about it (which is bs), and the last one wondering what effect it will have on the pro teams. So if you're looking for another source, then yeah, fomos confirms too.
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
June 09 2011 04:14 GMT
#47
the fomos article seems to suggest that kespa or OGN (whoever is running this) is trying to spread brood war e-sports to the international level, which in itself imo isn't bad but considering how professional BW outside korea is dead, its a pretty idiotic decision. people are so stupid these days
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Zyferous
Profile Joined September 2010
United States270 Posts
June 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#48
I'm going to be in china on that day! Going to try my best to go
Jaedong forever.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 09 2011 04:18 GMT
#49
On June 09 2011 13:13 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 13:09 Comet702 wrote:
ok, Can anyone comfirm this news? if it is true i will post it on my website. www.wfbrood.com


fomos has 3 articles discussing it. First one announcing the news, the second one intimating that the fans already knew about it (which is bs), and the last one wondering what effect it will have on the pro teams. So if you're looking for another source, then yeah, fomos confirms too.


Considering even the players always talked about Gwangahli in interviews it's obvious they didn't know, either. Well, front line workers are always the last to be told important info. Bah.

And it's got to be Kespa that made the final call - AFAICT, Kespa runs everything regarding PL and OGN wouldn't be able to unilaterally make that sort of decision.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 09 2011 04:20 GMT
#50
On June 09 2011 13:14 white_horse wrote:
the fomos article seems to suggest that kespa or OGN (whoever is running this) is trying to spread brood war e-sports to the international level, which in itself imo isn't bad but considering how professional BW outside korea is dead, its a pretty idiotic decision. people are so stupid these days


i think korea's definition of international and the western definition is different. Korea's "international" probably means just China. Western definition of "international" is all the players who have met limited success at BW and have moved over to SC2.

Nor do I think Korea is too interested in getting Chinese players, though a few wouldnt hurt to boost appeal (think: Nikoon in 2pm, that chinese guy in super junior, that chinese girl in FX). They're more interested in the masses and masses of fans.
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Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
June 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#51
On June 09 2011 13:13 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 13:09 Comet702 wrote:
ok, Can anyone comfirm this news? if it is true i will post it on my website. www.wfbrood.com


fomos has 3 articles discussing it. First one announcing the news, the second one intimating that the fans already knew about it (which is bs), and the last one wondering what effect it will have on the pro teams. So if you're looking for another source, then yeah, fomos confirms too.


thanks a lot ~
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
June 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#52
Yeah seems quite a strange decision. Of course they want to encourage growth of BW appretiation in China, which is so close by and already into e-sports and probably has cultural similarities, but it seems irrational to make investments that are so disporportionate to the demand. Really you think the potential for long-term growth of e-sports in China outweighs the potential for short-term damage to your foundational home fanbase, in a time when it's just stabalizing after multiple recent contraversies? Stupid KESpA.
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
June 09 2011 04:27 GMT
#53
Pretty cool news. Hopefully a ton of people show up. Wonder how the BW scene in China is atm.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 09 2011 04:28 GMT
#54
On June 09 2011 13:23 zobz wrote:
Yeah seems quite a strange decision. Of course they want to encourage growth of BW appretiation in China, which is so close by and already into e-sports and probably has cultural similarities, but it seems irrational to make investments that are so disporportionate to the demand. Really you think the potential for long-term growth of e-sports in China outweighs the potential for short-term damage to your foundational home fanbase, in a time when it's just stabalizing after multiple recent contraversies? Stupid KESpA.


well, one thing to note is that demand for starcraft seems pretty strong regardless of what happens. Or at least, one could easily be led to think that way after how easily Korean BW fended off SC2. Maybe KesPA is betting its fans will bear with this like they persevered through all the sc2/weird time changes/delays/lawsuits bullshit.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with them though. Whether it's in game or out of game, when you expand you expose yourself to vulnerabilities, but you eventually have to expand or you'll mine yourself out. right?

And your spelling is fucked up again. just helping you out.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 09 2011 04:36 GMT
#55
On June 09 2011 13:28 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 13:23 zobz wrote:
Yeah seems quite a strange decision. Of course they want to encourage growth of BW appretiation in China, which is so close by and already into e-sports and probably has cultural similarities, but it seems irrational to make investments that are so disporportionate to the demand. Really you think the potential for long-term growth of e-sports in China outweighs the potential for short-term damage to your foundational home fanbase, in a time when it's just stabalizing after multiple recent contraversies? Stupid KESpA.


well, one thing to note is that demand for starcraft seems pretty strong regardless of what happens. Or at least, one could easily be led to think that way after how easily Korean BW fended off SC2. Maybe KesPA is betting its fans will bear with this like they persevered through all the sc2/weird time changes/delays/lawsuits bullshit.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with them though. Whether it's in game or out of game, when you expand you expose yourself to vulnerabilities, but you eventually have to expand or you'll mine yourself out. right?

And your spelling is fucked up again. just helping you out.


I think you might be right about Kespa taking its Korean fanbase for granted.
But fans aren't minerals at an expansion that mine out after a certain amount of time. Fans are plants that grow or shrivel with the nourishment they receive.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
whamm
Profile Joined December 2009
67 Posts
June 09 2011 04:38 GMT
#56
go china keep this game alive pls
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 09 2011 04:44 GMT
#57
wow I'd be fuckin pissed if I was planning to go see the finals live this year (thankfully saw it live 2 years ago). The Gwangahnli beach venue itself is such an amazing venue to hold PL finals too.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
June 09 2011 04:46 GMT
#58
so much for tradition
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 09 2011 04:48 GMT
#59
The previous OSL didn't only hold 300 people. If you watched the finals, you would know that there were a lot more despite only 300 tickets were issued (designated seating vs random standing spots would be my guess).

You also have to look at the sponsors, the Shanghai OSL sponsor was Korean Airlines, and the current SPL is sponsored by Shinhan Bank. Maybe Shinhan Bank is planning on expanding its consumer banking business to China (Shanghai in particular), who knows.

...or that I'm just excited because I'm in China, and I might actually go if the tickets are cheap enough.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 04:52:06
June 09 2011 04:49 GMT
#60
On June 09 2011 13:38 whamm wrote:
go china keep this game alive pls


its really a definition of what you mean by "keeping it alive". having a lot of fans means more ads and more sponsorships - and therefore money. So that keeps the industry alive in a very important way. If you want to make professional brood war actually grow (or even just to maintain it), then you need new players and fresh players continually coming in, making bigger teams, making more teams, making more talent - the only country on this planet that supports and encourages this is south korea. so its very meaningless to try to encourage brood war growth elsewhere; the skill gap is so high and the fact that SC2 came out pretty much ended professional foreign BW. so if kespa thinks that their industry is actually going to grow in terms of people playing the game and more professional players by going to china, they are being incredibly stupid. the only benefit that is coming out of this is more money from the market in china and more chinese viewers in the future due to exposure and awareness
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