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Both Garena and Hamachi make VPNs (virtual private networks), so you play as if you were in a LAN (using Local Area Network (UDP)). I'll describe them more and tell the disadvantages of each:
Hamachi allows you to create channels with passwords (that is, they're not public). Bad things about Hamachi are:
- There is a limit of number of people in a same channel. I don't remember what it is though.
- It was quite common for someone to have a yellow status with one-another, which means the two cannot "see" each other - it's a networking problem I've never found a solution for, even with port forwarding. Sometimes two people can see each other's games. Sometimes not.
- After some version (don't remember, it was years ago), it stopped working for Starcraft. I have no idea if it's been fixed.
As for Garena, you play in provided public channels (although some are empty), and there're buddy list and clan support. You configure Garena with the path of BW and it launches it for you. Bad things about Garena are:
- Garena starts BW for you. This means you cannot use any type of launcher (iCCup's, AdvLoader, MiniLauncher, etc.). However, you can use some plugins by using ChaosLauncher and make it attach on the running BW (which has been opened by Garena). Windowed-mode, APMAlert and ObsMode do not work. Chaosplugin (for auto-replay) and RepFix do. I haven't tested any other plugin.
- Sometimes a login server is off (There are 4 login servers, although they're all inter-connected) and you have to try one that works. It's not user-friendly.
- When there're server problems (happens about once a month), your buddy list disappears and it reappears later. However, there's a chance you really lose your entire buddy list
- Sometimes two people from different countries cannot join a same public room.
Certainly both give headaches, although Garena gives less headache (it's either a server problem or not, but you know what's wrong. Hamachi however gives no solutions to networking errors)
Edit: By the way, Garena's old name is GGClient
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I'm in.
Name: Brendan
Skype: ebinsugewa
Bnet/Iccup: hanasu
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Wow thanks mms thats a lot of info but i think that we'll stick to ICCUP even if it is down for a couple of days, I hope that none of you guys mind  and L_Master of course! just give me some info and we shall be on our way!
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On February 24 2011 11:27 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 11:25 X10A wrote:On February 24 2011 11:00 Xiphos wrote:
Gosh, I NEED to communicate with people that watches SC1 regularly! QFT, no one I know actually understands when I'm on TL.net at school D= omg do you sometime get this feeling that you want to express the genius behind the players when showing replays/vod to friends but you just KNOW that they would be too confused if you try explaining it to them?
OMG so true LOL
i wanna join!!! sadly im on the cracked server =(
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On February 28 2011 12:05 HaTu wrote:Wow thanks mms thats a lot of info but i think that we'll stick to ICCUP even if it is down for a couple of days, I hope that none of you guys mind and L_Master of course! just give me some info and we shall be on our way!
Well, the point of the clan was just to have an active group of players that could practice and help each other out. Being on a team for ICCup is nice because its easy to see who is online and what they are up to.
Not much more to it than that but the name is fitting (in my opinion) and seems like a solid starting point to get organized and have some structure to the whole thing. Not to mention if we had enough interest it would be pretty damn fun to play clan wars as an unoffcial team liquid group.
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On February 27 2011 11:18 mmschocolate wrote:
Both Garena and Hamachi make VPNs (virtual private networks), so you play as if you were in a LAN (using Local Area Network (UDP)). I'll describe them more and tell the disadvantages of each:
Hamachi allows you to create channels with passwords (that is, they're not public). Bad things about Hamachi are:
- There is a limit of number of people in a same channel. I don't remember what it is though.
- It was quite common for someone to have a yellow status with one-another, which means the two cannot "see" each other - it's a networking problem I've never found a solution for, even with port forwarding. Sometimes two people can see each other's games. Sometimes not.
- After some version (don't remember, it was years ago), it stopped working for Starcraft. I have no idea if it's been fixed.
As for Garena, you play in provided public channels (although some are empty), and there're buddy list and clan support. You configure Garena with the path of BW and it launches it for you. Bad things about Garena are:
- Garena starts BW for you. This means you cannot use any type of launcher (iCCup's, AdvLoader, MiniLauncher, etc.). However, you can use some plugins by using ChaosLauncher and make it attach on the running BW (which has been opened by Garena). Windowed-mode, APMAlert and ObsMode do not work. Chaosplugin (for auto-replay) and RepFix do. I haven't tested any other plugin.
- Sometimes a login server is off (There are 4 login servers, although they're all inter-connected) and you have to try one that works. It's not user-friendly.
- When there're server problems (happens about once a month), your buddy list disappears and it reappears later. However, there's a chance you really lose your entire buddy list
- Sometimes two people from different countries cannot join a same public room.
Certainly both give headaches, although Garena gives less headache (it's either a server problem or not, but you know what's wrong. Hamachi however gives no solutions to networking errors)
Edit: By the way, Garena's old name is GGClient
There is a ForceHamachi plugin in Chaoslauncher for playing BW through hamachi
however the yellow status problem is really annoying
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I can help out, former A- level brood war player and I'd be willing to help train people/review replays/talk strategy.
i lvoe bw for life =)
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On March 01 2011 06:48 JoeSaddles wrote:
I can help out, former A- level brood war player and I'd be willing to help train people/review replays/talk strategy.
i lvoe bw for life =)
Thats nice, do you have terran experience? ^^
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On March 01 2011 06:51 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 06:48 JoeSaddles wrote:
I can help out, former A- level brood war player and I'd be willing to help train people/review replays/talk strategy.
i lvoe bw for life =) Thats nice, do you have terran experience? ^^
The only terran matchup I can play really well is TvP, since my former race was toss and I know how terran can fuck toss pretty bad =P
I'd say I play TvP at a solid C or C+ level, TvZ and TvT at D level lol >_<
so if you need any TvP only help then yah I might be able to help
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Lol Saddles, didn't you 2 gate your way to A- two seasons ago?
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On March 01 2011 07:27 Navane wrote:
Lol Saddles, didn't you 2 gate your way to A- two seasons ago?
Sure I guess if you think I only played PvZ, and not to mention like halfway through I switched to fast exp on most maps.... I'm not gonna deny I liked to 2 gate tho hehe, most zergs couldnt compete with their zergling micro vs my zealot micro
My PvP has always been my best matchup, so I def didn't 2 gate there, same with PvT ...
thanks for the random flame though its appreciated =(
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I lack a lot in TvP, I would really like you to help me a bit haha 
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On February 24 2011 07:07 HaTu wrote:
So this is my plan for every day of the week, what do you guys think about it?
Monday:Replay talk day- this day we can talk about osl, msl etc etc, or other people's games
Tuesday-friday: Training day- this can be either a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 etc etc. just some type of training and we can improve each other's ability
Saturday: Tournament day! Say from about 5 to 9?
sunday: I'm kind of christian so this will be a relaxation day and do whatever we want
What times would these be in? Time zone that is
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JoeSaddles! Your help would be an immense contribution to us! thank you! and x10a i was thinking of pacific standard time, and ill make the time's for the schedule a little later okay?
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Well, I'm a student, and I live at Mountain Standard Time, about an hour ahead of those suggested. It doesn't really matter to me lol I was just wondering
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On March 01 2011 06:48 JoeSaddles wrote:
I can help out, former A- level brood war player and I'd be willing to help train people/review replays/talk strategy.
i lvoe bw for life =)
A-, really... I remember when you made your "comeback", you could'nt even get to B-...
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Guys guys! please! as long as he's willing to help its okay alright? So calm it!
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ICCUP back up! We going to meet in op TeamLiquid?
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On March 01 2011 12:26 Satisfaktion wrote:
ICCUP back up! We going to meet in op TeamLiquid?
Thats what I would like to know, are we meeting in op Teamliquid or are we having our own channel?
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