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On January 22 2011 23:54 Yodo wrote:Only SKT sends out their ace so early, so I doubt that anyone can catch up.
Well SKT really just uses Bisu as a zerg sniper, but then he just manages to AK.
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On January 22 2011 22:45 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 16:02 trifecta wrote:
"Bisu again?"
"Ah yeah, again and again!" rofl bisu.shield clan coming at ya! Watch your step kid.
bisu[shield]? More like bisu[ak47]. Right?
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On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now  ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries.
You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa"
Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
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On January 22 2011 23:54 Yodo wrote:Only SKT sends out their ace so early, so I doubt that anyone can catch up.
All three AKs started with SKT being behind in score and a zerg up for the opposing team. =/
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
I know what you mean but under your criterion Stork is not S-Class =[.
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
Looking at life time records to determine whether someone is S-class a certain point in time doesn't make much sense.
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On January 23 2011 01:27 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. I know what you mean but under your criterion Stork is not S-Class =[.
They must be counting his losses in cell phone games ^^
Stork is definitely S-Class, and always has been in my book.
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Stork and Bisu just float the A to S class depending on whether the maps are other race "favored" and their general slump-ness. Since the protoss seemed to have deemed this season's map pool generally not protoss "unfavored," I'd consider Stork and Bisu S class, especially with the current show, double starleague title run vs Proleague and WL dominance.
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
S-class is more of a subjective take on the player, no?
If it's generally accepted that said player is favored against most others and has an air of dominance to them, they're probably S-class. 60% seems a bit low actually.
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On January 23 2011 04:19 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. S-class is more of a subjective take on the player, no? If it's generally accepted that said player is favored against most others and has an air of dominance to them, they're probably S-class. 60% seems a bit low actually.
Hard to say Bisu is not S-class with a 29-3 record in PL.
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will update soon......sick and college are not a good mix -___-
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Hard to say Bisu is not S-class with a 29-3 record in PL.
All players who have 2300+ are Bonjwa class  So Bisu and Stork are currently Bonjwas like Flash and Jaedong)))))
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Hi my name's Kim Taek Yong
I do all-kill streaks instead of all-kills.
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hmm I feel as though zerg reliant teams dont fair well in WL format
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So if he gets a fourth all kill in a row then he's done an all kill of all kills? :D
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On January 23 2011 08:09 amarillo wrote:
So if he gets a fourth all kill in a row then he's done an all kill of all kills? :D
I think he'd have to allkill every team for that to be true. Allkill by definition is killing the entire <opposing group>, not a specific number. If WL were BO9 instead of BO7, players would need 5 kills for an allkill, not 4. So by this definition, he'd have to allkill every single team to "allkill allkills"
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updated sorry for the delay
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On January 23 2011 02:01 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. Looking at life time records to determine whether someone is S-class a certain point in time doesn't make much sense.
okay let's not look lifetime record then. let's take this year only. then it's 80%. S-class right? or even bonjwa. Or after his couple month break after WCG korea, it's still the same 80%.
yea.
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light gonna rack up ak soon???
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