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(Vote): Hite Entus
(Vote): Hwaseung Oz
(Vote): KT Rolster
(Vote): MBCGame Hero
(Vote): Samsung Khan
(Vote): SK Telecom T1
(Vote): STX Soul
(Vote): WeMade Fox
(Vote): Woongjin Stars
Poll: Who will get the most All-KillBisu (193) 49% Flash (77) 20% Jaedong (48) 12% Stork (31) 8% Stats (14) 4% Fantasy (11) 3% Others (5) 1% Light (4) 1% Kal (4) 1% Neo.G Soulkey (3) 1% Hydra (1) 0% Roro (1) 0% 392 total votes Your vote: Who will get the most All-Kill (Vote): Flash
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): Bisu
(Vote): Stork
(Vote): Fantasy
(Vote): Hydra
(Vote): Roro
(Vote): Stats
(Vote): Light
(Vote): Kal
(Vote): Neo.G Soulkey
(Vote): Others
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Huge thanks to moktira, Chill for helping with the spoiler issue and thanks to .risingdragoon for his last year thread on all kill which i semi borrow from him. Thanks!
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Why didn't you keep the post? This is a good idea.
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its my first time making a complicated thread so any feedback would be nice
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Awesome thread. I'll be sure to check on this every week :D
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Wow. Stats of all people, got the first all-kill?
Must be the power of the chin. >_>
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will update with players would gotten almost all kill soon
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I don't think you have to put anything in spoilers. Users should realize reading this thread will contain spoilers.
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ok thank you! i was modeling after last years all kill list im just worry once the list grows it will be long.......
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Man Firebathero was so close to beating Stats Q_Q
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Stats with the first all-kill...that's chinconcievable. Quite a bit more chintimidating than I remember...
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posting chin epic thread 
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to be fair, it was ace
they have the tradition of being allkilled
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JD made one almost AK today...
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On January 11 2011 05:52 Zaphid wrote:
JD made one almost AK today...
I'm not sure if that should be counted since killer already had 1 win before jaedong was sent out.
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On January 11 2011 05:52 Zaphid wrote:
JD made one almost AK today...
doesnt count since JD was sent out when he didnt have a chance for an all kill only a 3-kill
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Lol I love the fact that the first "almost AK" you have given Fantasy the credit for it but Flash almost did it aswell. I guess Flash couldnt have had made a AK as its only 7 games but its still almost a AK
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On January 11 2011 07:19 Deekin[ wrote:
Lol I love the fact that the first "almost AK" you have given Fantasy the credit for it but Flash almost did it aswell. I guess Flash couldnt have had made a AK as its only 7 games but its still almost a AK
Flash couldnt have done an almost all kill. The reason is being that Fantasy had a chance for an all kill but flash did not since there was only 3 ppl left so at more it will count as a 3 kill. If you can only beat 3 people that would not have been an almost ak since u never had the chance to begin with. I hope that explains it.
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Add JD to the almost all kill list? He did a great job last night against FOX.
edit: oh huh i guess nvm. Thanks for the OP Though!
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Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill.
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On January 11 2011 07:35 TheNessman wrote:
Add JD to the almost all kill list? He did a great job last night against FOX.
edit: oh huh i guess nvm. Thanks for the OP Though!
He didnt do an almost all kill since when jd came in 1 person was already out
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On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill.
thank you! its my first time writing one so i hope it would be good.
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Don't bother putting spoilers, the title makes it clear what ones going to find in this thread. Looks better seeing the pics and guns right away as well.
Good job on the thread.
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On January 11 2011 07:49 Noxide wrote:
Don't bother putting spoilers, the title makes it clear what ones going to find in this thread. Looks better seeing the pics and guns right away as well.
Good job on the thread.
Spoilers are for in the future when there is alot more all-kill and almost all kill so that the thread wont be insanely long.
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United States10328 Posts
haha, you should put a note in the OP that says "you can only almost all-kill if none of your teammates won before you"...
nice job on the OP!
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On January 11 2011 07:50 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:49 Noxide wrote:
Don't bother putting spoilers, the title makes it clear what ones going to find in this thread. Looks better seeing the pics and guns right away as well.
Good job on the thread. Spoilers are for in the future when there is alot more all-kill and almost all kill so that the thread wont be insanely long.
What about spoilering everything besides the main AKs?
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On January 11 2011 09:05 Noxide wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:50 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 07:49 Noxide wrote:
Don't bother putting spoilers, the title makes it clear what ones going to find in this thread. Looks better seeing the pics and guns right away as well.
Good job on the thread. Spoilers are for in the future when there is alot more all-kill and almost all kill so that the thread wont be insanely long. What about spoilering everything besides the main AKs?
or maybe a spoiler on recent AKs..
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Croatia9487 Posts
This is a nice idea.
Hopefully you keep it updated!
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United States5582 Posts
Very nice idea to list the all-kills that will come this season and organize them into a thread- Huge props to you!  I have a feeling that we will see a lot of Flash and Jaedong on the list, unsurprisingly lmfao.
Man, out of all players, who would have predicted that the Chintoss would draw first blood? @@;; Absolutely insane, but he definitely deserves the satisfaction of getting his first all-kill, lol.
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On January 11 2011 09:05 Noxide wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:50 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 07:49 Noxide wrote:
Don't bother putting spoilers, the title makes it clear what ones going to find in this thread. Looks better seeing the pics and guns right away as well.
Good job on the thread. Spoilers are for in the future when there is alot more all-kill and almost all kill so that the thread wont be insanely long. What about spoilering everything besides the main AKs?
Yeah. The heads icons definitely should be marked as spoiler.
We should add "2011 WINNER'S LEAGUE 3 KILLS" category.
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On January 11 2011 04:03 Amaranthine wrote:
Wow. Stats of all people, got the first all-kill?
Must be the power of the chin. >_>
Chin power meets ace mediocrity
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On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill.
? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT
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On January 11 2011 09:26 Spica wrote:Very nice idea to list the all-kills that will come this season and organize them into a thread- Huge props to you! I have a feeling that we will see a lot of Flash and Jaedong on the list, unsurprisingly lmfao.
this actually might not happen too often. Usually teams will save their ace player for later and as bad as OZ and KT have played they have players who will be able to win atleast 1 game before Flash and JD are sent out, thus giving them no chance at an all-kill.
better rounded teams who can afford to send an ace calibur player first like MBC(sea & light), Stars (Zero & Soulkey), SKT (Bisu & Fantasy & Best) have better chances at an all-kill imo.
Although if the chintoss continues to improve KT could be joining that discussion as well.
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On January 11 2011 10:06 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill. ? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT
Flash didn't get an almost vs SKT.
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On January 11 2011 10:06 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill. ? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT
an almost is 3 kills with a chance for a fourth which flash did not get.
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On January 11 2011 10:06 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill. ? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT
That almost AK is awarded to Fantasy, not flash.
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On January 11 2011 10:06 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill. ? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT
you cant have an AK when your team is already up 1 game, so no almost AKs either.
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On January 11 2011 10:22 ZeroChrome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 10:06 SubtleArt wrote:On January 11 2011 07:36 Emon_ wrote:
Layout looks great. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!
JD had no chance for an all-kill last night. He was sent out after Oz already had a point. It's a solid 3-kill, and watching Jaedong is always inspiring. But it's not a almost all-kill. ? An almost AK is 3 kills. By your reasoning flash wouldn't have an almost vs SKT you cant have an AK when your team is already up 1 game, so no almost AKs either.
K, makes sense, im wrong . We dont need 6 successive posts bashing me k gaiz? lol
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On January 11 2011 10:07 gostunv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 09:26 Spica wrote:Very nice idea to list the all-kills that will come this season and organize them into a thread- Huge props to you! I have a feeling that we will see a lot of Flash and Jaedong on the list, unsurprisingly lmfao. this actually might not happen too often. Usually teams will save their ace player for later and as bad as OZ and KT have played they have players who will be able to win atleast 1 game before Flash and JD are sent out, thus giving them no chance at an all-kill. better rounded teams who can afford to send an ace calibur player first like MBC(sea & light), Stars (Zero & Soulkey), SKT (Bisu & Fantasy & Best) have better chances at an all-kill imo. Although if the chintoss continues to improve KT could be joining that discussion as well.
Good point, good point, but I'm just saying that the inevitable might happen and we may see the possibility of Jaedong/Flash racking up AKs again. 
This season, a completely unexpected player should have the most AKs to shock everyone... The results would be either hilarious/unexplainable.
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I hope it's Stats so I can win FPL.
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You should make a list for 3 kills as the player doesnt actually loose.
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On January 11 2011 14:42 MuseX wrote:
You should make a list for 3 kills as the player doesnt actually loose.
but it kinda defeats the purpose of an all kill list. im just going to go with all kills and almost aks
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Lol, gotta love proleague teams' tendency to continually send out the same guy in winners league
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I hope this becomes as good as the 2010 version over time 
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On January 11 2011 16:17 NovaTheFeared wrote:I hope this becomes as good as the 2010 version over time
i will do my best!!!!
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On January 11 2011 04:03 Amaranthine wrote:
Wow. Stats of all people, got the first all-kill?
Must be the power of the chin. >_>
It could be worse, you could have been a guemchi fan when guemchi got the first protoss all kill some time ago... guemchi... lol
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I would suggest making a section for reverse all-kills, and maybe also a section for almost reverse all-kills. This is looking great though, I hope you can keep it updated!
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Bisu on the AK list now. LOL.
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put bisu's face RIGHT NOW! AHAHAHAHA
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I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill?
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On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill?
1. Its not just a 3 kill.
2. My thread.
3. If you don't like it make your own thread.
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On January 11 2011 17:58 writer22816 wrote:
I would suggest making a section for reverse all-kills, and maybe also a section for almost reverse all-kills. This is looking great though, I hope you can keep it updated!
once the first one comes i will do
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hmm i liked when the almost ones were named coulda beens or something like that
i still like this though
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I hope people are just misunderstanding the poll, because KT and SKT1 should not be right behind Ace as most likely to be AK'ed.
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On January 12 2011 03:55 Slow Motion wrote:
I hope people are just misunderstanding the poll, because KT and SKT1 should not be right behind Ace as most likely to be AK'ed.
grrr.... me and my bad english sorry!
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Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either).
Granted, all-killing ACE doesn't seem to be much of an accomplishment apparently, but remember that Light started his all-kill spree by all-killing ACE first and, I dare argue, that if wasn't for FanTaSy, Stats would have had a legitimate chance at all-killing T1 (he HAS beaten Bisu before and Bisu's vP is arguably not as impressive as BeSt's vP, and Stats had already beaten BeSt in the first game of WL 2011).
Beyond Stats, congratulations to Bisu for the most recent all-kill (against STX at that) and FanTaSy and RorO for the near all-kills. Hoping to see more intense competition in these next two rounds.
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On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread.
1. how so? because currently it is.
3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of
2. my opinion
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Bisu living up to the hype.
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On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion
Because it shows that they have an opportunity for a fourth which they miss. I think it is worthy to be notices. And i just realize it if i sound offensive to u i am sorry. And i will be adding more to this thread in the near future than the ak.
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On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either).
This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit.
In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before.
He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived.
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On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived.
I partly agree that he's generally overhyped (he's still really young though) but I wouldn't call Pure better than him. Sure, Pure achieved more (that is, an OSL ro4 vs Stats' MSL ro8) but he's also been around far longer and is horribly inconsistent.
Also, I know that statistics don't say everything and that it's still a relatively small sample pool, but he has a 55% winrate in his worst matchup. Not many players can say that.
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On January 11 2011 05:55 prototype. wrote:I'm not sure if that should be counted since killer already had 1 win before jaedong was sent out.
Same with flash but he's up there :O.
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On January 12 2011 08:42 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 05:55 prototype. wrote:On January 11 2011 05:52 Zaphid wrote:
JD made one almost AK today... I'm not sure if that should be counted since killer already had 1 win before jaedong was sent out. Same with flash but he's up there :O.
I think the OP's definition of an almost AK is to win 3 games and lose the 4th game. Both Jaedong and Flash aren't there, the first almost AK in the OP¨is about Fantasy.
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I've been wondering..... I remember last year, there was also a REVERSE ALL-KILL list. Is OP going to have that as well when the due time comes or just count it as ALL-KILL.... hmm...
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On January 12 2011 08:50 QuickStriker wrote:
I've been wondering..... I remember last year, there was also a REVERSE ALL-KILL list. Is OP going to have that as well when the due time comes or just count it as ALL-KILL.... hmm...
last year the reverse all kill was include with the all kill i will see what i will do when the time comes
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Reverse all kill is a must I think, its like the most badass thing you can do in WL, the reverse all killer is under constant threat of losing the whole match for a team.
Also, nearly being all killed and then all killing just sounds awesome.
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On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived.
I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays.
Anyways just my opinion.
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Im not on TL to offend anyone, and the post wasnt good anyway.
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BISU: THE BRINGER OF ALL-KILL SLIGHT SIGHS AND BLINKING!
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This is sad =[ you can see the 0.00001 second of resignation flashing through their faces.
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I find most interesting that our first two AKs were by Protoss players. I'm down with legacy-of-Guemchi and everything, but it's a little odd.
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On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:
This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit.
In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before.
He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived.
I'm not trying to over-hype Stats, but at the same time I think he's being undervalued for his consistency in recent memory. Compared to the majority of other Protoss players, it's true that his individual accomplishments aren't impressive (beyond his NATE MSL performance, I can't really recall any recent Starleague where he has gone beyond Ro32/36) but he makes up for this shortcoming by being an invaluable player on the KT Rolster in the Proleagues.
While JangBi/BeSt/Pure/free are all a lot more accomplished than Stats, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are miles ahead of him. If Stats is capable of taking games off BeSt and Bisu (not the best examples to use given their current form in the vP match-up, but that's really all I got), then he at least stands a chance against JangBi, Pure, and Snow (tentative on free since despite being in a slump he's still a decent player), particularly the latter two. Slump or not, I just find it somewhat hard to believe that, concerning primarily performance quality, Pure and Snow are considered superior and not players of equal level.
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Estonia4504 Posts
I hate you so much right now.
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On January 12 2011 12:38 mustaju wrote:I hate you so much right now.
You just mad cause your team got owned.
Bisu killed your precious little STX heroes.
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On January 12 2011 12:44 Roffles wrote:You just mad cause your team got owned. Bisu killed your precious little STX heroes.
I wouldn't call them heroes. But that was just rubbing it in. I guess I'm way to emotional about STX, but that doesn't make me reconsider a reaction to such a slap in the face.
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On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion.
#3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated?
And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part.
I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore.
No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta.
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Bisu AKed STX? THIS IS BOGUS!
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On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion
I like how you count.
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But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet.
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On January 12 2011 17:01 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion I like how you count. 1. 3. 2. But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet.
Their teams are too deep, stealing their opportunities.
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On January 12 2011 17:01 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion I like how you count. 1. 3. 2. But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet.
They're rarely sent 1st/2nd so their best hope for getting an AK is for the rest of their team to fail.
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On January 12 2011 17:06 DarkMatter_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 17:01 MuffinDude wrote:On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion I like how you count. 1. 3. 2. But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet. They're rarely sent 1st/2nd so their best hope for getting an AK is for the rest of their team to fail.
I didn't realize that was so unlikely... especially for JaedongOz...
+ Show Spoiler +but surprisingly, Killer is stepping it up!
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On January 12 2011 17:01 MuffinDude wrote:
But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet.
FlaSh probably won't perform an all-kill because Stats is doing well presently, though there's still room for FlaSh to perform an all-kill nonetheless (but given how KT prefers to use FlaSh as the last player, he's more likely to perform a reverse all-kill than anything else).
The same somewhat goes for Jaedong, only with the lack of a Stats-esque player; Killer and HiyA are very inconsistent players (though props to Killer for finally stepping up his game), though given the monstrous streak he had back in the 08-09 Winner's League, there's still a chance Jaedong might be sent out first eventually (though note that he only got one all-kill last year).
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On January 12 2011 07:49 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion Because it shows that they have an opportunity for a fourth which they miss. I think it is worthy to be notices. And i just realize it if i sound offensive to u i am sorry. And i will be adding more to this thread in the near future than the ak.
I still do not think it is worth the space it takes up and you have given no offense, I am just offering up my opinion :<
On January 12 2011 17:01 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 07:43 Crunchums wrote:On January 12 2011 03:23 jaiBing wrote:On January 11 2011 20:50 Crunchums wrote:
I am not a fan of the "almost allkill" section. Who cares about a 3kill? 1. Its not just a 3 kill. 2. My thread. 3. If you don't like it make your own thread. 1. how so? because currently it is. 3. a thread that is exactly the same except for lacking one section is not a good idea and if i were to make one it would be closed, therefore all i can do is attempt to convince you of 2. my opinion I like how you count. 1. 3. 2. But I'm surprise flash or jaedong hasn't performed ak yet.
if you remove the 2, the previous sentence and "my opinion" fit together, that is why I ordered them that way
:the more you know:
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is there other reason for stats' all kill called chin kill other than his chin seemingly wanting to escape from his face?
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guess i have to update xD
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On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta.
if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
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I'm pretty sure the only reason Flash hasn't AKed is because he's been sent out last, don't even pretend for a second KT has depth right now
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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
Bisu is showing glimpses of that in PvZ and PvT. His PvT is showing some promise but still has ways to go. He might be in a similar form to how Flash was but Bisu still needs jump quite a few (in amount of, not size) more hurdles.
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The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately).
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On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately).
most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
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I noticed that STX is AKed 2 times :D hehehehe where are the fanatic STX fans ?
GO GO BISU !
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On January 15 2011 15:44 gorchiza wrote:
I noticed that STX is AKed 2 times :D hehehehe where are the fanatic STX fans ?
GO GO BISU !
its a mistake
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
fantasy needs to practice for his silver
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On January 15 2011 15:51 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol fantasy needs to practice for his silver
too cruel
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Stats denied Flash of an all kill again lol
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this almost AK format kinda denies all the credits that Jaedong or Flash have
maybe u should put up a 3-kill list up or sth ?
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
Tho it's not like they been sending Bisu in for the kill... he's been coming out second for SKT. Reminds me of that Flash vs Hyuk game. "I wen't in to do some damage but then i just won".
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On January 15 2011 15:36 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately). most likely they'll be sending Fantasy to clean up this time, since Fantasy wants a share of the spotlight too lol
And fantasy is on my FPL so i want him getting some wins =(
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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
Hahaha thats true :D
But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now  ).
The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork).
Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil.
And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to.
Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet).
Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements.
Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.)
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On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.)
How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD.
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Stats is good but he has some Terran aura around him that makes me not like him, the same applies for Kal who somehow has Zerg aura around him. It's weird since I don't feel Terran aura around the Mantoss at all lol.
The only good Protosses that I feel 100% pure blood are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi and Best, I don't know why but I just feel like that and be fan of them lol.
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On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D
similarly this also means flash will turn his god mode on again next season
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As we can see in Bisu's all kill trend, coach Park will always send him 2nd after someone loses in the first set, and then Bisu will continue the match to get an all kill. Coach Park must send 1 fodder to get an all kill from Bisu. We will see if this trend continues against MBC
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what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
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On January 16 2011 11:11 Jubinell wrote:
what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
Well i think almost achieving an ak is better than just a 3 kill as it shows something that they could have done. Again im basing my thread by last year's thread. I will not answer these type of questions/comments again. By the way the title of this thread is Winner's League Allkill list.
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On January 16 2011 11:11 Jubinell wrote:
what is the use of differentiating between the OP's definition "almost-all-kill" and the 3-kills? If at all, I think that players who 3-killed after their teammate won one game have achieved a bigger feat than 3-killing and then losing the last game (since the last player from the opponent's side will likely be tougher than the first).
Honestly, I see no statistical benefits of defining it that way. I'd just do 4-kill and 3-kill lists.
who says "almost all-kills" are better than 3 kills?
it isn't a list of who did well. it is a list of all-kills and people who almost got them.
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STORK REVERSE ALL KILL!!! YEEAAAHHHH
FPL <3
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3 PROTOSS ALL-KILLS
WASSUP |DDD
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All kill? Fuck that
REVERSE ALL KILL
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lol no one mentioning Cute Angel and Jaehoon almost all kill.
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On January 16 2011 15:45 Monkeyshark wrote:
lol no one mentioning Cute Angel and Jaehoon almost all kill.
Who?
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This is horrible. Protoss/Terran are absolutely dominating winner's league
We need some Zerg all-kills and pronto.
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On January 16 2011 15:41 Spica wrote:
3 PROTOSS ALL-KILLS
WASSUP |DDD
Four? Stats, Bisu, Bisu, Stork.
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On January 16 2011 15:47 Goragoth wrote:This is horrible. Protoss/Terran are absolutely dominating winner's league We need some Zerg all-kills and pronto.
Yeah, definitely. Problem is, ZerO is slumping, I think; Hydra, maybe; Calm, if he gets lucky; and JD (if he doesn't get too greedy or something) are the only 4 Zs I see capable of an AK. This WL doesn't look too good for Zs so far.
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On January 16 2011 15:47 Goragoth wrote:This is horrible. Protoss/Terran are absolutely dominating winner's league We need some Zerg all-kills and pronto.
Waiting for Ace vs OZ game. =)
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On January 15 2011 15:32 Apex wrote:
The scary thing is...Bisu could get a 3rd all-kill in a row against MBC. The only thing standing in his way is Sea. Light's vP isn't great, the zergs don't really stand a chance, and Tyson/Jaehoon are reaches at best (Though Tyson has been hot lately).
Hm... remember what happened last time Light faced SKT1 in winners league?
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On January 16 2011 15:49 flamewheel wrote:Four? Stats, Bisu, Bisu, Stork.
Maybe he meant 3 as in 3 players.
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Whoot stork!!!!!!! Protosses are so dominant
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On January 16 2011 15:50 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 15:47 Goragoth wrote:This is horrible. Protoss/Terran are absolutely dominating winner's league We need some Zerg all-kills and pronto. Waiting for Ace vs OZ game. =)
Much rather Jaedong get his all kill from another team.. it'd feel more legit if he can take out an ace (no pun intended) player. After all even the likes of  Juni have all killed ACE.
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On January 16 2011 15:52 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 15:49 flamewheel wrote:On January 16 2011 15:41 Spica wrote:
3 PROTOSS ALL-KILLS
WASSUP |DDD Four? Stats, Bisu, Bisu, Stork. Maybe he meant 3 as in 3 players.
Yes, that's what I meant, but I guess it can count as 4 too. 
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Poor Jaehoon owned so much only to have his glory stricken from him by the mighty SONG BYUNG GOO reverse all kill!
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jaehoon was so close to beating stork. SO CLOSE
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+ Show Spoiler +wasn't able to watch match live, but checked the LR thread regularly
was incredibly surprised to see Jaehoon have 3 kills
i come back like 30-60 min later and see Stork stomping <3
song byung goo fighting
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On January 16 2011 15:50 Exchange wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 15:47 Goragoth wrote:This is horrible. Protoss/Terran are absolutely dominating winner's league We need some Zerg all-kills and pronto. Waiting for Ace vs OZ game. =)
Perfectman allkill.
Callin it right here/
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geumchi will get most all kills. true story.
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On January 16 2011 16:41 Origiral wrote:
geumchi will get most all kills. true story.
1. Guemchi retired
2. Bisu already has the most all kills (4).
GG
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lol... since Bisu is back in business polls are totally worthless once again.
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Damn, it seems to be Protoss year.
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So dope that Toss owns all the AKs
they were getting so stomped (at least it felt like they were) last year
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On January 16 2011 16:41 Origiral wrote:
geumchi will get most all kills. true story.
So I thought I'd look at GuemChi's all-kill list. WL bonjwa, right? Turns out he only performed one (1!) in two years of WL:
2010/01/27 - CJ Entus (Iris, EffOrt, Snow, Movie)
3-kills well, there are more of them (2>1), but both against hite:
2009/01/18 - hite SPARKYZ (Yarnc, Stella, Horang2, L to Leta)
2010/02/06 - hite SPARKYZ (PuMa, Yarnc, HoGil, L to Leta)
So why WL bonjwa? I was curious, and I think I found the answer.
2009/02/16 - SK Telecom T1 (Bisu)
This won the match for Woongjin - Star POWER! He spent most of 2009 WL losing, though, to people like Daezang, keke, and Firefist... but 2010?
2010/01/24 - Air Force ACE (Casy, Anytime)
Because these wins, the all-kill, and the three-kill all ran together, he put up a 9-game winstreak before Leta snapped it. Origin of the legend. But it doesn't end there: he ended one more match for Woongjin with a win:
2010/02/09 - MBCGame HERO (Light)
...But actually that's about the end of the spectacularness. Guemchi was pretty much a terrible player with some fluke WL luck.
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i thought reverse all kill merited a golden ak-47 ?
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Golden AK only goes to players that accomplished at least three all-kills. See Light for an example.
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On January 17 2011 10:18 smekz wrote:khan vs oz wl + Show Spoiler +ur missin' the almost ak of stork vs oz
no i didnt stork didnt do an almost ak only a 3 kill
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On January 17 2011 05:25 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 16:41 Origiral wrote:
geumchi will get most all kills. true story. So I thought I'd look at GuemChi's all-kill list. WL bonjwa, right? Turns out he only performed one (1!) in two years of WL: 2010/01/27 - CJ Entus (Iris, EffOrt, Snow, Movie) 3-kills well, there are more of them (2>1), but both against hite: 2009/01/18 - hite SPARKYZ (Yarnc, Stella, Horang2, L to Leta) 2010/02/06 - hite SPARKYZ (PuMa, Yarnc, HoGil, L to Leta) So why WL bonjwa? I was curious, and I think I found the answer. 2009/02/16 - SK Telecom T1 (Bisu) This won the match for Woongjin - Star POWER! He spent most of 2009 WL losing, though, to people like Daezang, keke, and Firefist... but 2010? 2010/01/24 - Air Force ACE (Casy, Anytime) Because these wins, the all-kill, and the three-kill all ran together, he put up a 9-game winstreak before Leta snapped it. Origin of the legend. But it doesn't end there: he ended one more match for Woongjin with a win: 2010/02/09 - MBCGame HERO (Light) ...But actually that's about the end of the spectacularness. Guemchi was pretty much a terrible player with some fluke WL luck.
Pretty sure that comes from Realpenguin's old running joke.
What happened to him anyway? Realpenguin is awesome.
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why still there is no jaedong 3kill from first round?
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its only almost ak if u can make make a 4th game and go for de ak, jaedong killed 3, after someone kill one
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This thread is so full of manly, OP looks awesome.
More AKs to come I hope! Wonder who'll be the first non toss? Probably Flash huh. Defintely seeing Bisu get a few more, and I'm not even a fan :D
PS - Why is SKT 3rd on poll for team most likely to get most AKed, you guys are crazy, KT is 2nd too apparently, wow. If anyone can get through 3 KT players (Stats, Action etc) and THEN beat Flash, well kudos to him.
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~
I'd pick Stork to be a contender for most AKs but January loves trolling the lineup, like on KHAN's first game... plus he has both individual leagues to practice for, don't get me wrong though, he's proven himself more than capable to do it.
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Legend of the..... Winter?
I thought Protoss was supposed to be good in the fall ^^
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Legend of the ALL YEAR LONG, imo.
=)
What is the rule on spoilers for this thread? I would think that spoilers should be expected here (and spoiler tags unnecessary), but am I wrong with that?
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On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~.
Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3.
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On January 17 2011 14:01 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~. Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3.
Stork, obv
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On January 17 2011 14:01 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~. Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3.
I wouldn't call 20-7 easy to snipe (3-1 SWL).
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On January 17 2011 15:54 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 14:01 Monkeyshark wrote:On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~. Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3. I wouldn't call 20-7 easy to snipe (3-1 SWL).
lol I should have made myself more clear. I meant out of the 3 he is more easier to snipe.
On January 17 2011 15:36 gen.Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 14:01 Monkeyshark wrote:On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~. Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3. Stork, obv
I don't even think you read post -.- we were talking about KT/OZ/SKT's player then you say Stork all of a suddent.
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On January 17 2011 15:36 gen.Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 14:01 Monkeyshark wrote:On January 17 2011 12:24 IntoTheEmo wrote:
If KT/OZ/SKT all sent out Flash/Jaedong/Bisu out first, I wonder who'd get the most AKs lol~. Looks like Jaedong is more easier to snipe now a day and Flash has some kind of injury so he can't play long games well so I would say Bisu would out of those 3. Stork, obv
:D I stated that I wouldn't consider Stork cause January doesn't like to send him out sometimes, though he is more than capable.
Though you could interpret it that Stork would have more AKs because they get sent out first cause he's better or something ^_^
Ah, the complications~
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Isn't it in the dead of winter? I think the winds of change have come. Protoss all-kills ftw!!!
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OMG Violet so close... so damn close!
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Look its only protoss and now even Violet was close, clearly the game is imbalanced?
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Just to emphasize:
+ Show Spoiler +First non-Protoss all-kill was just made by BaBy (4-0 over ACE).
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As predicted, WL is hurting ACE badly.
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On January 17 2011 23:55 dukethegold wrote:
As predicted, WL is hurting ACE badly.
sad huh?
when ACE looked like they could achieve something this season, there came WL ;(
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please just add a "3 kill list" instead of the "almost all kill" list. Winning vs 2 opponents just isnt worth more then 3 opponents, id rather say killing 3 ppl on the verge of death, when as soon as you lose youre team lost is even worth more then killing 2 opponents in the second and third set.
ps: back in the days we also had "reverse all kill" which was supposed to harder to do then a usual all kill. reverse all kill is that thing that stork did
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Next All-Kill:
Light > SKT XD
He's only had one game so far this winners league...I think he can be WL Bonjwa again ^^
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I also think listing 3-kills makes more sense than "almost allkills".
This round is turning out quite interesting.
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On January 18 2011 03:07 moopie wrote:
I also think listing 3-kills makes more sense than "almost allkills".
I disagree, because the whole point of an all-kill is defeating the entire team, not just a majority.
Oh and look, a terran joins the list of AK's. AK's are no longer exclusive to protoss.
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On January 18 2011 03:09 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:07 moopie wrote:
I also think listing 3-kills makes more sense than "almost allkills". I disagree, because the whole point of an all-kill is defeating the entire team, not just a majority.
Then why list almost allkills? either way you didn't kill the entire team. All-kills aside, listing anything else is listing a failure to achieve an all-kill, either because of the player's fail, or simply because someone else got a single kill beforehand. It would be defeating the majority either way.
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On January 18 2011 03:12 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:09 Lightwip wrote:On January 18 2011 03:07 moopie wrote:
I also think listing 3-kills makes more sense than "almost allkills". I disagree, because the whole point of an all-kill is defeating the entire team, not just a majority. Then why list almost allkills? either way you didn't kill the entire team. All-kills aside, listing anything else is listing a failure to achieve an all-kill, either because of the player's fail, or simply because someone else got a single kill beforehand. It would be defeating the majority either way.
Because almost AK's show that it was possible but the player falls just short.
And why not also include 2 kills? You take out half the team that way.
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On January 18 2011 03:14 Lightwip wrote:
And why not also include 2 kills? You take out half the team that way.
Eh, 2 kills happen too often. 3 kills are rarer. imo 3-kill and all-kill (obviously) would be post-worthy.
edit: actually, I have an idea
edit2: + Show Spoiler +
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Didnt Baby allkill ace last year too? lol
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On January 18 2011 03:16 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:14 Lightwip wrote:
And why not also include 2 kills? You take out half the team that way. Eh, 2 kills happen too often. 3 kills are rarer. imo 3-kill and all-kill (obviously) would be post-worthy.
Well im sorry that this thread didnt live up to your standards. I dont see how a 3 kill relate to an ak. while making an almost ak does. Since obvious i can infer that u said half of my thread is not post-worthy would you like to make a thread that is post-worthy to you??? Just remember this is an all-kill thread not a 3-kill and up thread.
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On January 18 2011 03:19 Kenpachi wrote:
Didnt Baby allkill ace last year too? lol
yes he did lol
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On January 18 2011 03:22 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:16 moopie wrote:On January 18 2011 03:14 Lightwip wrote:
And why not also include 2 kills? You take out half the team that way. Eh, 2 kills happen too often. 3 kills are rarer. imo 3-kill and all-kill (obviously) would be post-worthy. Well im sorry that this thread didnt live up to your standards. I dont see how a 3 kill relate to an ak. while making an almost ak does. Since obvious i can infer that u said half of my thread is not post-worthy would you like to make a thread that is post-worthy to you??? Just remember this is an all-kill thread not a 3-kill and up thread.
Not really sure why you're being so defensive. I didn't say your thread wasn't up to my standards, nor how you inferred I said half your thread isn't post worthy (that was my statement to lightwip regarding 2-kills, which you don't seem to care about anyway). I gave my opinion on 3-kills as did several others before me, that was an opinion, not a a statement saying you have to go by my rules. Take it easy guy.
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On January 18 2011 03:16 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 03:14 Lightwip wrote:
And why not also include 2 kills? You take out half the team that way. Eh, 2 kills happen too often. 3 kills are rarer. imo 3-kill and all-kill (obviously) would be post-worthy. edit: actually, I have an idea edit2: + Show Spoiler +
hm.....thats actually pretty decent
edit- well my bad then
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Sea gets ALL KILL DENIED~! Close call though.
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I'm pretty sure in the past the lists have been AK, 3kill, and reverse AK. You list 3kills instead of "almost AK" because what is an almost AK? 3kill the first 3 games and then the team loses? Is this favorable to being 1 set up and performing a 3kill so the team wins? I think both are noteworthy. Especially since some 3kills get closed in the 7th set.
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I definitely think that 3 kills should be listed.
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I don't think 3 kills should be listed. This thread is about all kills and the challenge to achieve them. The almost all kill list shows the players who came close but just couldn't make it. A normal 3 kill has nothing to do with an all kill
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Love the thread jaiBing, don't change a thing! Your efforts are greatly appreciated
On January 19 2011 00:04 oBlade wrote:
I'm pretty sure in the past the lists have been AK, 3kill, and reverse AK. You list 3kills instead of "almost AK" because what is an almost AK? 3kill the first 3 games and then the team loses? Is this favorable to being 1 set up and performing a 3kill so the team wins? I think both are noteworthy. Especially since some 3kills get closed in the 7th set.
You are incorrect, only almosts were listed on Last year's list
Holgerius and Moopie only want 3-kills listed to see Flash on the board, and Lightwip doesn't so he doesn't appear
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seriously... KT to get all-killed??? ok first, there's someone called God Young Ho??? anyone heard of him??? yeah, he'll get AT LEAST 1 win, so no all-kill. then we got all the other awesome guys on the team. so, KT WILL NOT get aked this season.
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On January 19 2011 06:39 FlaShFTW wrote:
seriously... KT to get all-killed??? ok first, there's someone called God Young Ho??? anyone heard of him??? yeah, he'll get AT LEAST 1 win, so no all-kill. then we got all the other awesome guys on the team. so, KT WILL NOT get aked this season.
umm, it doesnt matter if flash wins a game. Its still an all-kill if its 4-1 or 4-2 etc. of course, flash would have to come out in the first set for that to happen, which isnt likely.
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On January 19 2011 00:44 DropBear wrote:Holgerius and Moopie only want 3-kills listed to see Flash on the board, and Lightwip doesn't so he doesn't appear
Cute theory but it doesn't explain the KT fan just one post above you.
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On January 19 2011 06:39 FlaShFTW wrote:
seriously... KT to get all-killed??? ok first, there's someone called God Young Ho??? anyone heard of him??? yeah, he'll get AT LEAST 1 win, so no all-kill. then we got all the other awesome guys on the team. so, KT WILL NOT get aked this season.
That's what we said about JD >.<
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On January 19 2011 06:39 FlaShFTW wrote:
seriously... KT to get all-killed??? ok first, there's someone called God Young Ho??? anyone heard of him??? yeah, he'll get AT LEAST 1 win, so no all-kill. then we got all the other awesome guys on the team. so, KT WILL NOT get aked this season.
Yeah, just like last season when you had "God" Young Ho and a promising backing lineup and you didn't get AKed then either
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I wonder if we will see a Zerg all-kill at all this season. If we do my bet is on Hydra taking one home.
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I can't believe how some people still don't understand what an ALL-KILL LIST is. How hard is it to accept that an Almost ALL-KILL deserves notice because the player had a good run for the goal but failed when it really counts. Whether you see an Almost ALL-KILL as a success or fail really depends on the person.
If you want do include 3 kills that are not Almost ALL-KILLs make your own damn list please, and include whatever the f*&% you want, and stop complaining.
This thread has standards, and they're great standards.
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Since this is the ALL-KILL thread, the almost all-kill 3 kills (oh shit he almost did it but he didn't) should be mentioned whereas the regular 3 kills (oh nice he cleaned them up after x teammate won one), while a nice accomplishment, doesn't feel like it fits into the OP.
This thread is to honor the players who were gunning for the ALL-KILL, since that is the spirit of the Winner's League. And thus the OP is right to only include players who 3 kill with an opportunity to make a 4th but failed.
Now if this was a >2 game streak mention thread... then we'd list the 3 kill cleanups too. Of course in some of the games a player almost AKs then gets cleaned up by a 3 kill, maybe that's what's causing the confusion? Regardless, it's still fairly easy to figure it out.
Damn, BaBy with the first non Protoss AK, forgot WeMade was gonna play ACE soon lol. Poor ACE, maybe they'll get an AK of their own sometime?
Interesting that neither Jaedong or Flash has had an AK or even an almost AK mention yet (though there are 3 kill cleanups by each). Strange, strange WL.
Oh and damn you Jaehoon again lol, stop winning you sweaty guy, take a break ><
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frozean getting an almost all killl.... i guess it's that time of the season for the rest of STX to fall into a slump again
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD.
I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit)
Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP.
Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries.
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A WILD SKT FAN APPEARS
THEY SPAM BISU BRAGGAGE
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Time to bring out the Golden AK for the 3-All Kills.
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Bee Suuiiiitttt x3 Poor ace lol
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Golden AK for Bisu sounds sweet, do it!
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Ace allkilled 3 times already
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Gold AK47 belongs to bisu.
he may be going for the Platinum AK as well.
Maybe even the diamond one.
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lol Ace is giving free AK all around. I'm glad ggaemo get some wins so they don't just get 4-0.
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Bisu just doesn't lose (Flash doesn't count, because he's Flash). Amazing. O_o
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I love how Jaehoon almost gets an AK then Stork comes out and AK's his team lol
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1 more win and Bisu reaches the goal he set for himself at the start of the season.
Such a low goal...
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Hahahah that is an epic picture.
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On January 22 2011 15:42 Lightwip wrote:
Such a low goal...
I guess Bisu fan should talk big while they can since they've already forgotten last year's performance. Props to them for letting the past go.
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"Bisu again?"
"Ah yeah, again and again!"
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Good God, Bisu with 3 AK's already...it's just disgusting...STORK, HURRY CATCH UP!!!!
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SKT's next opponent is Stars.
back to back to back to back AK pls?
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On January 22 2011 16:15 infinitestory wrote:
SKT's next opponent is Stars.
back to back to back to back AK pls?
that would be a difficult all-kill with zero, soulkey, free, some one else like really
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Jesus, Bisu with 3 AK's already...and to think there's another round of WL coming up! O_O
If only he could duplicate his PL dominance in the individual leagues.
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On January 22 2011 16:45 vishrut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 16:15 infinitestory wrote:
SKT's next opponent is Stars.
back to back to back to back AK pls? that would be a difficult all-kill with zero, soulkey, free, some one else like really
Zero and SK are food for Bisu's BvZ.
Really just...fails against Bisu.
Free, on the other hand, is quite a problem.
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wow protosses pwning the AK list.
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seriously .. this isn't funny anymore ..
+ Show Spoiler +when are they gonna field Best??
im happy for Beesuit but he needs to calm the fuck down!
and this picture is awesome .. USE IT PLEASE pretty please
+ Show Spoiler +
ty disciple
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We should all bow down to the Taek Shin.
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Gentlemen, welcome to the Taekbang Era once more.
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On January 22 2011 16:02 trifecta wrote:
"Bisu again?"
"Ah yeah, again and again!"
rofl
bisu.shield clan coming at ya! Watch your step kid.
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On January 22 2011 17:38 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 16:45 vishrut wrote:On January 22 2011 16:15 infinitestory wrote:
SKT's next opponent is Stars.
back to back to back to back AK pls? that would be a difficult all-kill with zero, soulkey, free, some one else like really Zero and SK are food for Bisu's BvZ. Really just...fails against Bisu. Free, on the other hand, is quite a problem.
Honestly, the only opponent worthy of challenging Bisu on Stars is Zero.
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On January 22 2011 23:04 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 17:38 chisuri wrote:On January 22 2011 16:45 vishrut wrote:On January 22 2011 16:15 infinitestory wrote:
SKT's next opponent is Stars.
back to back to back to back AK pls? that would be a difficult all-kill with zero, soulkey, free, some one else like really Zero and SK are food for Bisu's BvZ. Really just...fails against Bisu. Free, on the other hand, is quite a problem. Honestly, the only opponent worthy of challenging Bisu on Stars is Zero.
Yep, he has a habit of playing well vs Bisu (4-2 record in favor of Zero).
On the other hand Bisu vs zerg...
Please let someone like hon_sin all kill skt1. If that happends, I could die happy :D
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Eh Stars has been slumping like crazy. wouldnt be surprised if they got AKd. I mean they are all the way down to 7th? i think.
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STORK, HURRY CATCH UP
Only SKT sends out their ace so early, so I doubt that anyone can catch up.
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On January 22 2011 23:54 Yodo wrote:Only SKT sends out their ace so early, so I doubt that anyone can catch up.
Well SKT really just uses Bisu as a zerg sniper, but then he just manages to AK.
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On January 22 2011 22:45 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 16:02 trifecta wrote:
"Bisu again?"
"Ah yeah, again and again!" rofl bisu.shield clan coming at ya! Watch your step kid.
bisu[shield]? More like bisu[ak47]. Right?
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On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries.
You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa"
Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
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On January 22 2011 23:54 Yodo wrote:Only SKT sends out their ace so early, so I doubt that anyone can catch up.
All three AKs started with SKT being behind in score and a zerg up for the opposing team. =/
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
I know what you mean but under your criterion Stork is not S-Class =[.
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
Looking at life time records to determine whether someone is S-class a certain point in time doesn't make much sense.
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On January 23 2011 01:27 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. I know what you mean but under your criterion Stork is not S-Class =[.
They must be counting his losses in cell phone games ^^
Stork is definitely S-Class, and always has been in my book.
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Stork and Bisu just float the A to S class depending on whether the maps are other race "favored" and their general slump-ness. Since the protoss seemed to have deemed this season's map pool generally not protoss "unfavored," I'd consider Stork and Bisu S class, especially with the current show, double starleague title run vs Proleague and WL dominance.
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On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate.
S-class is more of a subjective take on the player, no?
If it's generally accepted that said player is favored against most others and has an air of dominance to them, they're probably S-class. 60% seems a bit low actually.
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On January 23 2011 04:19 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. S-class is more of a subjective take on the player, no? If it's generally accepted that said player is favored against most others and has an air of dominance to them, they're probably S-class. 60% seems a bit low actually.
Hard to say Bisu is not S-class with a 29-3 record in PL.
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will update soon......sick and college are not a good mix -___-
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Hard to say Bisu is not S-class with a 29-3 record in PL.
All players who have 2300+ are Bonjwa class So Bisu and Stork are currently Bonjwas like Flash and Jaedong)))))
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Hi my name's Kim Taek Yong
I do all-kill streaks instead of all-kills.
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hmm I feel as though zerg reliant teams dont fair well in WL format
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So if he gets a fourth all kill in a row then he's done an all kill of all kills? :D
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On January 23 2011 08:09 amarillo wrote:
So if he gets a fourth all kill in a row then he's done an all kill of all kills? :D
I think he'd have to allkill every team for that to be true. Allkill by definition is killing the entire <opposing group>, not a specific number. If WL were BO9 instead of BO7, players would need 5 kills for an allkill, not 4. So by this definition, he'd have to allkill every single team to "allkill allkills"
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updated sorry for the delay
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On January 23 2011 02:01 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 00:43 Piste wrote:On January 22 2011 14:29 Iplaythings wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 23:01 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 22:18 Iplaythings wrote:On January 15 2011 15:24 ArvickHero wrote:On January 12 2011 14:36 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 10:51 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 12 2011 07:51 Lightwip wrote:On January 12 2011 06:33 HitoriTomoyo wrote:
Don't know why people are bashing Stats when he's one of the most consistent Protoss players on the scene presently; he's right behind Stork, Kal, and Bisu right now as one of the best Protoss players this year, and unlike the majority of the aforementioned players, he doesn't has a specifically weak match-up (but on the flip side, he doesn't specialize in any match-ups either). This is where I start to have problems. For one, KT fans overhype him quite a bit. In my eyes, he is behind Snow and Pure, along with the rest of the dragons except Jangbi/possibly Best, simply because he hasn't accomplished much worth mentioning. He may be #3 toss by ELO, but that's because free/Kal recently dropped off in performance while he got an all-kill after a rather mediocre showing in the weeks before. He's not bad, he's just far too overhyped and honestly nothing more than a decent/good player. I wouldn't call him a top protoss by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps a top protoss for the few days since New Years, but that distinction will be short-lived. I honestly feel the same way about Bisu... guy puts up no results in individuals something like 4-5 seasons in a row, has an average vT when it counts and although he is tearing up PL, I doubt he will ever even reach a final (or Ro4 really) again in his career. SKT fans are quick to say he is back and he is indeed probably the second best protoss after Stork, but that's not really saying too much in my opinion. In alot of ways Bisu reminds me of Leta nowadays. Anyways just my opinion. #3 player by ELO, only lost 1 game in his 'weak' MU in this season, as many wins as Flash in PL(and better SL results this season lolol) and a 3 time SL winner and he's overrated? And he really wasn't quite 'back' in R5/PO because of decision-making problems which ghave been worked out for the most part. I know you're a KT fan and therefore have plenty of bias, but come on, you can't seriously deny that he's the 2nd/3rd/4th(depending on how much you like Stork/fault JD failures) best player right now. In R5 last season you'd have some point, but not anymore. No, he's not at the level at which he ELO peaked yet(his PvP's against Kal are at fault), but he certainly isn't comparable to Leta. if history is to be repeated, Bisu who is tearing it up in PL but dropping early in individuals is looking a lot like Flash before he turned on god mode :D Hahaha thats true :D But I think its annoying that people disregard that Stats was known atleast last year, as one of the few tosses who consistently could win in PvZ. And win it with STYLE (watch all Stats' game vs Zero for a treat in PvZ, though he ALLWAYS looses to the Dong, its been 7 times now ). The thing about Stats is that while he never really beat S class people on top of their game (Jaedong is the only one he faced of this caliber). He has a nice record vs A class players and generally doesnt have a lot of scrubsmashing games, I mean, looking at his TLPD hes 2-0 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs zero, 2-2 vs fantasy, 0-3 vs leta, 1-2 vs Sea, 1-0 vs Best, 1-1 vs Baby, and 0-1 vs Stork). Thats the top of the A class, even though he had some ugly games (vs Hydra and Calm fx). He only dropped out of this OSL in a great series vs Hogil. And the thing about stats is, chin jokes aside, that he is fucking consistent, and he elevates his play like a beast when he needs to. Saying that Stats is overrated is fun, because he also had some 3 kills last year as well and has been the second king of KT since Violet stopped being a beast. (or luxury, who was it before Violet). Say it as you might still, but please look twice at his record, its about time he recieved some praise and achievements. Look forward to when Stats will be stopped hard by JD in the match at monday (or maybe he will end his 7 game loosing streak to the dong, who knows, all the games has been good so, yeah.) How come Stork and Bisu aren't S class in your eyes? They're definitely some of the top contenders in professional StarCraft and their ELO isn't that far from JD. I wrote that before I realized Stork went godmode, and I still dont think Bisu is S class (PvT brings him down, he's yet to beat someone really good at it in a game where they performed. . .). (Okay, I didnt watch his games vs Sea and Baby, maybe I should do that before making claims... gonna watch em and reedit) Though he has fucking baller PvZ which is the best on earth. And then still above average but not S class PvP. Thats just how I feel, Bisu is owning it up in PvP but he doesnt have the aura of invincibillity the, "WTF HE LOST!?" aura (which he has in PvZ, mind you), which Jaedong, Flash (and now Stork) carries. You're propably mixing up the words "S-class and bonjwa" Just look at how well Bisu is doing. And anyone with over 60% in every mu is S-class. he is beating the top players with acceptable rate. Looking at life time records to determine whether someone is S-class a certain point in time doesn't make much sense.
okay let's not look lifetime record then. let's take this year only. then it's 80%. S-class right? or even bonjwa. Or after his couple month break after WCG korea, it's still the same 80%.
yea.
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light gonna rack up ak soon???
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Light: "Not so invisible anymore, biatches!!" *Holds up AK-47 in triumph while smoking cigarette*
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Light's all-kill theme today: wraiths.
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Light has stolen Letas wraith power, causing Leta to slump.
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Haha Light even beat jaedong earlier this season with a wraith build O_O I personally love to see wraith builds, good to see him AK today
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2x AK denied! AK then RAK in the same series!
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Flash, continuing to deny all-kill dreams. Poor Bogus.
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What's the over/under on ONE zerg all-kill?
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On January 23 2011 15:14 Fishmalk wrote:
Light has stolen Letas wraith power, causing Leta to slump.
omfg. everyone is able to steal Leta's power. Type B stole Leta's bad ZvZ 2 years ago and now Light stole Leta's TvZ.. ~_~
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Oh man, out of 7 AKs and 8 almost AKs, Zerg has exactly one almost AK (Roro). Winner's league is absolutely atrocious for Zerg. Hopefully an all Zerg MSL semis will somewhat make up for it
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On January 23 2011 16:45 Goragoth wrote:Oh man, out of 7 AKs and 8 almost AKs, Zerg has exactly one almost AK (Roro). Winner's league is absolutely atrocious for Zerg. Hopefully an all Zerg MSL semis will somewhat make up for it
well, three of them belongs to Bisu so that evens it up a bit.
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ace is getting all-killed way too much.
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bogus strike against !! almost
dam you flash :D
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almost ak into almost reverse ak, god that game was ridiculous
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Bogus and Violet both almost AK need to be added :O
When did Bogus get this good? I have no idea....
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I have no idea either. Bogus's previous Proleague records:
2008/09 Proleague:
2-2 (Wins: Movie, Snow; Losses: EffOrt, Violet)
2009 Winners League:
2-1 (Wins: HyuN, Pusan; Loss: Sea)
2009/10 Proleague:
4-5 (Wins: Shine, Killer, Tempest, fantasy; Losses: ZerO, Flying, Leta, BeSt, Iris)
Clearly he always had some potential, but why'd he break through this year? Take a wild guess, 'cause there's no clear answer.
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On January 24 2011 08:33 Musoeun wrote:
Clearly he always had some potential, but why'd he break through this year? Take a wild guess, 'cause there's no clear answer.
The fact that he's just 17 years old might have something to do with it.
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On January 24 2011 08:33 Musoeun wrote:
I have no idea either. Bogus's previous Proleague records:
2008/09 Proleague:
2-2 (Wins: Movie, Snow; Losses: EffOrt, Violet)
2009 Winners League:
2-1 (Wins: HyuN, Pusan; Loss: Sea)
2009/10 Proleague:
4-5 (Wins: Shine, Killer, Tempest, fantasy; Losses: ZerO, Flying, Leta, BeSt, Iris)
Clearly he always had some potential, but why'd he break through this year? Take a wild guess, 'cause there's no clear answer.
My guess is the STX coach has been putting extra time into developing Bogus as a solid a-teamer. He was sent to that STX thing at the World Expo a while ago iirc, and he's been sent out much more often this season than last season.
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Until a year ago hwasin was always taking up the terran spot on STX's roster. I think only now has bogus been able to get enough playtime to really start to develop properly on TV.
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i should make a separate list for reverse allkill?
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On January 24 2011 09:40 jaiBing wrote:
i should make a separate list for reverse allkill?
Naw b.
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On January 24 2011 08:33 Musoeun wrote:
I have no idea either. Bogus's previous Proleague records:
2008/09 Proleague:
2-2 (Wins: Movie, Snow; Losses: EffOrt, Violet)
2009 Winners League:
2-1 (Wins: HyuN, Pusan; Loss: Sea)
2009/10 Proleague:
4-5 (Wins: Shine, Killer, Tempest, fantasy; Losses: ZerO, Flying, Leta, BeSt, Iris)
Clearly he always had some potential, but why'd he break through this year? Take a wild guess, 'cause there's no clear answer.
A guess would be that Hwasin was taking the Terran's spot on the team that Bogus never had that much of a chance to play. Now that Hwasin's gone, Bogus is showing everyone why he's bogus.
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On January 24 2011 09:49 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 08:33 Musoeun wrote:
I have no idea either. Bogus's previous Proleague records:
2008/09 Proleague:
2-2 (Wins: Movie, Snow; Losses: EffOrt, Violet)
2009 Winners League:
2-1 (Wins: HyuN, Pusan; Loss: Sea)
2009/10 Proleague:
4-5 (Wins: Shine, Killer, Tempest, fantasy; Losses: ZerO, Flying, Leta, BeSt, Iris)
Clearly he always had some potential, but why'd he break through this year? Take a wild guess, 'cause there's no clear answer. A guess would be that Hwasin was taking the Terran's spot on the team that Bogus never had that much of a chance to play. Now that Hwasin's gone, Bogus is showing everyone why he's bogus.
He's also really young. Plus, before, STX had LastCuteangel and Notice (in addition to Hwasin) randomly taking wins, but Notice seems to have retired?
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On January 23 2011 16:45 Goragoth wrote:Oh man, out of 7 AKs and 8 almost AKs, Zerg has exactly one almost AK (Roro). Winner's league is absolutely atrocious for Zerg. Hopefully an all Zerg MSL semis will somewhat make up for it
Wait, so Z has no AKs yet? Dammit. Hoping for a Zerg AK soon.
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After Hwasin's departure Frozean stepped in as lead Terran for STX for quite a while. Only recently had Bogus been given a chance to really play, plus WL always rewards new break-out talent since a player can rake up a lot of wins pretty quickly. I imagine that he will see a lot more play going forward with poor Frozean once again having to take a back seat.
Like others have said, Bogus is still very young and it is unusual to see pros do well before about 17; in fact many only really start to break out around 19 I think. Players like Flash and Baby are really the exception with how young they were when they started to well.
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To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong.
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I can't believe that they didn't send out a Protoss versus Light and threw his best matchups at him. *shrug*
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On January 24 2011 10:45 shurgen wrote:
I can't believe that they didn't send out a Protoss versus Light and threw his best matchups at him. *shrug*
FOX has pure.
Pure.
Pure.
Pure.
I don't care if light sucks at tvp, pure sucks more.
The only thing that the coaches did wrong was to send out hero[join] instead of midas second and then they should have sent shine forth.
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On January 24 2011 10:37 Lightwip wrote:
To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong.
he has him under almost reverse allkill lolol
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On January 24 2011 10:58 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 10:37 Lightwip wrote:
To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong. he has him under almost reverse allkill lolol
Oh, now I see it.
Light's date is still wrong though.
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On January 24 2011 10:37 Lightwip wrote:
To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong.
ah sorry i just fixed it
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On January 24 2011 11:32 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 10:37 Lightwip wrote:
To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong. ah sorry i just fixed it
No rest for the OP :D
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Didn't Turn get a 3 kill?
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Oh man! Light on anti, AK yesterday and Light vs ACE tomorrow
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On January 24 2011 12:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Didn't Turn get a 3 kill?
it's not an almost all-kill unless you lose your 4th match
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On January 24 2011 20:10 NicksonReyes wrote:Oh man! Light on anti, AK yesterday and Light vs ACE tomorrow
Well the first map is Bloody Ridge and Light hates that map so he might not be sent out first. Probably Tyson or Sea will win the first game.
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On January 24 2011 12:10 henzi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 11:32 jaiBing wrote:On January 24 2011 10:37 Lightwip wrote:
To OP: Bogus is also an almost AK, and Light's date is wrong. ah sorry i just fixed it No rest for the OP :D
and now that spinach toss is back .. lololololol
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Tyson would like to give his utmost greetings and add another all-kill to the growing Protoss list. :D
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^ You beat me to it. lol
MBC the only team to have 2 players on the all-kill list and 2 players on the almost all-kill list.
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And, predictably, Ace widens its lead in the race for most all-killed.
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Ok Light maybe an ak but tyson getting one really surprised me.
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On January 25 2011 20:45 Ryo wrote:
^ You beat me to it. lol
MBC the only team to have 2 players on the all-kill list and 2 players on the almost all-kill list.
Wow, MBC is pretty good in WL.
But will Light get a golden AK? We'll find out.
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On January 25 2011 21:12 darklordjac wrote:
Ok Light maybe an ak but tyson getting one really surprised me.
Why? Tyson best MBC player in 10/11 season. Before games vs Ace he had 10 wins - 6 losses (62.50%) record, Sea had 12 wins - 8 losses (60.00%) record
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Another Protoss getting all-kill, what a surprise...
Waiting for a Zerg to step up!
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i dont have a punch line for tyson anyone would like to give me one???
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On January 26 2011 10:29 jaiBing wrote:
i dont have a punch line for tyson anyone would like to give me one???
I figure that you already have the materials laid out for you to make a punch line =P
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On January 26 2011 10:49 blahman3344 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 10:29 jaiBing wrote:
i dont have a punch line for tyson anyone would like to give me one??? I figure that you already have the materials laid out for you to make a punch line =P
lol i saw it b4 but didnt thinnk about using it
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im sorry i only know of one.. am i missing something?
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On January 30 2011 16:14 shucklesors wrote:im sorry i only know of one.. am i missing something?
+ Show Spoiler +Both Snow and Flying got what could have been all-kills denied. Yeeeahhh Hydra for pulling through the clutch!!
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2 more almost all-kills that were both protoss? you don't say
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So if '08-'09 and Battle Royale was Swarm Season - is this Storm Season?
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Why are the most unlikely AKs always committed against ACE?
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On February 01 2011 21:31 mnesthes wrote:Why are the most unlikely AKs always committed against ACE?
Because Ace got AK'd by the likes of Puma and Juni last year. I'd say getting AK'd by Hiya (Who's actually somewhat good) doesn't look all that bad compared to getting AK'd by a perennial loser like Juni.
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It's so weird that there's no zerg all kills yet.
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On February 02 2011 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's so weird that there's no zerg all kills yet.
hydra will take care of that soon
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Did this year set a huge record for AKs?
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Flash with the Reversal!!
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Flash for the Reverse AK.
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still waiting on zergs for ak........
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Just wanted to point out that under the Flash AK you put a KT Rolster logo not a Wemade Fox logo.
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Flash is so good he can reverse all-kill his own team. Yep.
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I thought the quote for flash was going to be something along the lines of "the first one? really?"
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mmmmmm
So awesome with the new Flash all kill.
Let's hope Violet gets better.
(I laughed really hard at GAME OVER)
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On February 14 2011 10:25 manicsquare wrote:
Just wanted to point out that under the Flash AK you put a KT Rolster logo not a Wemade Fox logo.
tyty just corrected it
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The reverse AK pic looks better than the normal AK.
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I just realized that FOX has been AK'd 3 times, second only to ACE. O_o
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On January 25 2011 21:14 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 20:45 Ryo wrote:
^ You beat me to it. lol
MBC the only team to have 2 players on the all-kill list and 2 players on the almost all-kill list. Wow, MBC is pretty good in WL. But will Light get a golden AK? We'll find out.
Now KT is on that list:
Allkils : stast flash
allmost: violet flash nvm its just violet, but he did it twice
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Is it just me or is FOX really trying to challenge ACE for the title of "most likely to get All-Killed"?
Seriously, if it's not ACE, it's FOX that's getting their faces smashed in. BaBy needs to step up his game again.
Also, I'm still calling for Light to get three All-Kills again; he's proven that he CAN beat Protosses if he tries/practices hard for them.
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The first winner's league season with no zerg AKs. A trying time for the swarm.
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On February 16 2011 19:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:
The first winner's league season with no zerg AKs. A trying time for the swarm.
funny they are doing so well in the MSL
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@OP,
are you planning on continuing this thread for SWL round 4, or should we make a new one?
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On February 21 2011 05:10 yeti wrote:
@OP,
are you planning on continuing this thread for SWL round 4, or should we make a new one?
im still continuing this thread for r4
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OSL Champion... ALL KILL!!!
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Jung Laden raises his AK-47 in salute!
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On February 22 2011 21:19 Spica wrote:
Jung Laden raises his AK-47 in salute!
Holy sh1t, the ak-47 really does fit him (only realized it now lol ^_^).
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FINALLY god dam...
About time Fantasy kill some ppl !!!
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I'm very worried about Fox..... They're tied with ACE for most all-killed, right? :[
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I didn't make the banner with the commentators in the background. That was made by alffla I think.
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On February 23 2011 05:37 prototype. wrote:
I didn't make the banner with the commentators in the background. That was made by alffla I think.
ah ok thank you
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Oh, awesome, Beesuit has a golden ak ^_^
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Sweet banner!
Keep it up Fantasy!
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Movie all-kill, didn't expect this. Protoss all kills ftw!
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On February 26 2011 19:24 c3rberUs wrote:
Movie all-kill, didn't expect this. Protoss all kills ftw!
And of course Calm almost all-kills.
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poor WeMade Fox & AirForce Ace
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lol, i was all happy that i had movie, and I just found out i also got Calm..
Top10 here i come? maybe.. currently #38
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AirForce Ace is currently standing at the first spot for being most all killed. All Killed Five times.
But WeMadeFox is making ACE fight for its position. It's coming close from behind, currently standing at being All Killed for 4 times.
Who shall win the most embarrassing title of the season? Stay tuned!
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rolf at dukethegold but man  Movie all killed MBSea =( o well what had the world come to
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On February 27 2011 11:53 LightningStrike wrote:rolf at dukethegold but man Movie all killed MBSea =( o well what had the world come to
MBC is really struggling. Getting all-killed by Movie is a new low, especially with Movie's recent condition.
Either that, or it's a resurgence from the former Starleague finalist.
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On February 27 2011 12:19 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:53 LightningStrike wrote:rolf at dukethegold but man Movie all killed MBSea =( o well what had the world come to MBC is really struggling. Getting all-killed by Movie is a new low, especially with Movie's recent condition. Either that, or it's a resurgence from the former Starleague finalist.
in the games that i did watch, he was looking pretty solid. and imo it was the kind of solid where it wasnt the other person failing solid.
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Pretty cool to see mOvie all-kill. Hopefully that means that he's well on his way to getting in-form now.
Also, Light, PLEASE work on your TvP.
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Action almost all kills ace tonight which is sad what goign on today O_o
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Ah, double denied all-kill. Nice.
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Shame that we just missed two all kills
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Yeah, so the Action interview is already up. When are we going to see the Movie interview?
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On February 27 2011 16:36 McDonalds wrote:
Yeah, so the Action interview is already up. When are we going to see the Movie interview?
User was warned for this post
i'm not sure why this is a warn, it's a valid request
I have a partially translated movie interview, but the Chinese is (compared to usual) pretty incomprehensible. I could finish that and post it, but it would be pretty inaccurate IMO and I'd rather see a direct translation from the Korean.
EDIT: but please tell me if you want to see my translation anyway. o_O
screw this im posting it anyway
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ahh rank arn't updated since yesterday
i tough it was automatic =[
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On February 27 2011 18:04 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 16:36 McDonalds wrote:
Yeah, so the Action interview is already up. When are we going to see the Movie interview?
User was warned for this post i'm not sure why this is a warn, it's a valid request
I have a partially translated movie interview, but the Chinese is (compared to usual) pretty incomprehensible. I could finish that and post it, but it would be pretty inaccurate IMO and I'd rather see a direct translation from the Korean.
EDIT: but please tell me if you want to see my translation anyway. o_Oscrew this im posting it anyway
Yeah I dunno either.
But thanks for going to the trouble. It might be inaccurate but the way you've put it together seems natural enough and there isn't anything in it that would be controversial if it were a bit wrong I guess. The picture is gold also.
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hey i was wondering can someone tell me if i miss anything cause i have been busy the last few days so i couldnt really check the results i know i still have to do movie's ak but did i miss anything else?
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On March 02 2011 14:01 jaiBing wrote:
hey i was wondering can someone tell me if i miss anything cause i have been busy the last few days so i couldnt really check the results i know i still have to do movie's ak but did i miss anything else?
Juni almost all killed ACE last night that's about it
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The current mission objective of ACE is not getting all killed.
That's about it.
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movie allkill hasn't been added yet?
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On March 03 2011 11:59 prototype. wrote:
movie allkill hasn't been added yet?
sorry will update in a few hours just finish my chem2 midterm
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Jaedong all killed Khan litaerly
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Jaedong AKs Khan after 4 nailbiting games. I swear my heart can't take it anymore.
First Zerg AK woot!
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Oh my god first Zerg AK by none other than LORD JAEDONG
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LEEEEEE JAEEEEDONG !!! HELL YES! That last game vs Great was effing epic
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JAEDONG ALL KLL KHAN FIRST ZERG AK
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First zerg AK in WL!! JD says whats up slump?!
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On March 05 2011 15:46 flamewheel wrote:
No wonder you have so many posts.
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On March 05 2011 15:46 flamewheel wrote:
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Even if stork was stomped, balance was restored (all races have AK now). First zerg all-kill!!! Go Jaedong Go!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2011 16:16 yoonyoon wrote:![[image loading]](http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6906/98922987.png) That's one happy JD! Woot!
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GOOD JOB JAEDONG FUCK YEAH!!!!!
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Finally a zerg all kill! And by none other than they Tyrant!
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Looking forward to another bIsu ak tonight,
if so, gun upgrade plz
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On March 06 2011 12:51 Taekwon wrote:
Looking forward to another bIsu ak tonight,
if so, gun upgrade plz
Forget guns, tanks are the way to go. Oh wait....
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On March 06 2011 12:57 arcticStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 12:51 Taekwon wrote:
Looking forward to another bIsu ak tonight,
if so, gun upgrade plz Forget guns, tanks are the way to go. Oh wait....
actually since its a new round im thinking about resetting it so that he gets the normal one again
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actually since its a new round im thinking about resetting it so that he gets the normal one again
aww i was hoping to see a platinum AK by the end of pl
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Fantasy almost all killed MBSea
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Kal got 3 kills against WeMade, but lost to Baby who also got 3 wins. Thank god for Shuttle denying Baby's reverse all-kill.
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It's so awesome that JD scored the first zerg all kill after SO MANY zerg 3-kills over the past few weeks. Exactly the way it should be
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wow stats taking down fantasy,bisu and best. hes on fire.
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On March 16 2011 15:26 b0lt wrote:
CHINTBOSSSSSS Best. Protoss AK. Ever.
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Unbelievable micro from the chin, amazing games.
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Chin played really well. I was disappointed in Bisu and Best for getting man handled.
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Wait so does Stats have the most number of All Kills now?
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last time I checked all-kill means 4kills not 3?
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On March 16 2011 15:59 10cr wrote:
last time I checked all-kill means 4kills not 3?
sun/rain was killed in the process also
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On March 16 2011 15:50 nufcrulz wrote:
Wait so does Stats have the most number of All Kills now?
For KT, yes. Otherwise Bisu still has 3 and Stork also has 2.
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IMO shouldn't we have some ALL-KILL rankings?
Individuals by # of AKs
Teams by # of AKs
Teams by # of AKed
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Stats played really well, he was very smart in those games. IMO his games today are must watch games.
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Oh man, the chin is a beast.
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chin is a fucking killer!!
Btw badly updated OP
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On March 17 2011 00:15 Deekin[ wrote:chin is a fucking killer!! Btw badly updated OP
updating tonight.........sorry.......just alot of work in school -___- stupid lab write ups
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There should be an All-Kill ELO score/meter - i.e., the sum total of the all-killed. The ACE kills were something of a freebie at times.
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On March 17 2011 05:43 FirstProbe wrote:
There should be an All-Kill ELO score/meter - i.e., the sum total of the all-killed. The ACE kills were something of a freebie at times.
i would like to make an award system to..... but i just need a little time away from work......
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Hey OP,
+ Show Spoiler +the tyson entry in movie's all kill is some no name zerg instead of the important guy
Thanks for keeping the thread going
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On March 16 2011 15:50 nufcrulz wrote:
Wait so does Stats have the most number of All Kills now?
For Round 4, yes he does have the most AKs with two. Overall no. The most AKs for all of WinnersLeague this year belongs to Bisu who has a total of 3.
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OP: The Tyson TPLD for Movie's Feb 26 AK mistakenly goes to that SC2 player again
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March 5th - AK - Hwaseung Oz [UNLEASE THE TYRANT!!!!!DEATH STARE TO AK!!!!!!]
*unleash.
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thanks for all the correction its finally updated!!! now on to my lab report..........
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He doesnt have a double chin... he has a triple chin!
=D )))
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Stats is going to be the 7th dragon soon. THE CHIN DRAGON!
and correction
March 16th - AK - KT Rolester [CHINTASTIC KILL!!!!!!!]
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Twice in a row, the chin delivers.
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Why would people vote for KT as the second most to get AK'd? lulz
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On March 20 2011 01:44 Cheeseburgered wrote:
Why would people vote for KT as the second most to get AK'd? lulz
SKT fans and "KTFlash"
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On March 20 2011 01:44 Cheeseburgered wrote:
Why would people vote for KT as the second most to get AK'd? lulz I'd say they do it just for shits and giggles. Or because they're SKT fans.
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Chin for a penny, Chin for a pound.
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Double denied AK today. Wow.
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sorry first time on computer in 2 days will update soon ^_^
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Uh Jaibing, you updated the SKT vs Oz match but you didn't Add Stats' third AK.
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crazy hydra... double infested CCs
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that was the craziest AK yet.
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Crazy-Hydra all killed MBSea like a boss that he shouldn't be =\
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Not someone I'd expect the last zerg AK from.
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Just realized that Chin has 3 all kills.
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just finish another update, to tired to put the labels, will do that 2morrow morning after lab
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final update well played skt
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On April 10 2011 01:06 jaiBing wrote:
final update well played skt
Yes, very well played! :D :D :D
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On April 10 2011 01:20 aimaimaim wrote:Yes, very well played! :D :D :D
Please excuse me while I cry on my pillow....
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SK Zergs bringing the noise! ;D
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