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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 26 2010 22:37 GMT
#61
I actually think that OSL game featured an average APM of >500 for Shine lol
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 26 2010 22:53 GMT
#62
On December 27 2010 05:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2010 21:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 26 2010 20:58 kdgns wrote:
On December 26 2010 20:53 kamikami wrote:
Does the "turtle sect" have something to do with the "Ming Cult" of Jin Yong kung fu film ? They look similar to me.


I think i've heard references to jing yong from some commentators, but usually refering to the sun moon holy cult from the smiling proud wanderer, specifically dong fang bu bai, but its mostly in passing.

I think Flash originally got the sect leader title after he demonstrated his anti-carrier build, and flash build, I think it was during that time that his late game high upgrade timing push caused the idea of the turtle sect to be born, this was especially highlighted in his game vs zero this year where he infamously made 108 turrets.


It has been speculated that the "sun moon holy cult" and the "Ming cult" are one of the same.

日月神教
明教

Put 日月 together and you get 明. So yea, they are most likely the same. But I think in this case it's more-or-less referring to "Ming cult", which as the more elaborate structures.


I don't think the Sun Moon and Ming are the same, but then again, this is a subject of some speculation/debate.

In relation to Starcraft, it is definitely inspired by the structures from the Jin Yong novels, and with regard to Flash, the Ming cult from Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre, since Flash has been compared to Zhang Wuji before, where 萎缩神功 = 九阳神功.

Yes, the origins lie with the anti Carrier build, and some guy made a post titled "Turtling Sect Promotion," with a bunch of funny song parodies with lyrics rewritten to match; they're pretty hilarious if you know Chinese;

Original post:

http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=105403


Quick (?) and liberal translation of that post:




The Cult of Turtling

Cult Leader: Flash

Left Guardian of Cult: Mind

Right Guardian of Cult: Sea

Cult Elder: Nada

Doctrine of the Cult:

- ALWAYS open a third base that has gas; don't scout, just go ahead and open it! If you want to turtle, make it pretty.
- ALWAYS keep tanks in siege mode! Have three armories upgrading at the same time. Range, speed, EMP, whatever... upgrade all of them!
- FULLY surround your mineral line with turrents; lay mine everywhere on your mineral line. Beside your base, put half a control group of goliath - with 3/3 upgrades! This way, it doesn't matter if your opponet's arbitor has energy (... the rest is weird so I skipped it...)
- Get a control group of tanks on every expansion and open fog of war with an Engineering Bay. This way, every time your opponent tries to overtake your expansion, he will lose more than 100 food worth of army!
- Hotkey all your comsats! Use Scanner Sweep every minute. This way, if your opponent goes for carriers, you can omgwtfbbq pwn him!
- ONLY attack after you have 190-200 food! Moving out with anything else is PURE EMBARASSMENT!
- The arts of this cult are mastered once the person can win every single game lamely (i.e. via turtling).




How long do you think a match takes? Twenty minutes? That's barely enough for a warm-up! Aim for at least forty minutes per game! Once you understand the psychology of a cultist who can manage to stay at his base for twenty minutes without pushing out, you will realize that staying for another twenty minutes is nothing.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
December 26 2010 22:54 GMT
#63
On December 26 2010 23:28 Sufficiency wrote:
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On December 26 2010 22:17 dybydx wrote:
what about everyone's favorite player player - FBH?


I don't think there is a very well-known one.


He's just 小火, Lil' Fire
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#64
I hope saying that they should have three armories was not a misprint. Makes it better imo.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-26 23:49:47
December 26 2010 23:46 GMT
#65
On December 27 2010 05:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2010 21:12 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 26 2010 20:58 kdgns wrote:
On December 26 2010 20:53 kamikami wrote:
Does the "turtle sect" have something to do with the "Ming Cult" of Jin Yong kung fu film ? They look similar to me.


I think i've heard references to jing yong from some commentators, but usually refering to the sun moon holy cult from the smiling proud wanderer, specifically dong fang bu bai, but its mostly in passing.

I think Flash originally got the sect leader title after he demonstrated his anti-carrier build, and flash build, I think it was during that time that his late game high upgrade timing push caused the idea of the turtle sect to be born, this was especially highlighted in his game vs zero this year where he infamously made 108 turrets.


It has been speculated that the "sun moon holy cult" and the "Ming cult" are one of the same.

日月神教
明教

Put 日月 together and you get 明. So yea, they are most likely the same. But I think in this case it's more-or-less referring to "Ming cult", which as the more elaborate structures.


I don't think the Sun Moon and Ming are the same, but then again, this is a subject of some speculation/debate.

In relation to Starcraft, it is definitely inspired by the structures from the Jin Yong novels, and with regard to Flash, the Ming cult from Heavenly Sword and Dragon Sabre, since Flash has been compared to Zhang Wuji before, where 萎缩神功 = 九阳神功.

Yes, the origins lie with the anti Carrier build, and some guy made a post titled "Turtling Sect Promotion," with a bunch of funny song parodies with lyrics rewritten to match; they're pretty hilarious if you know Chinese;

Original post:

http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=105403


we should add more to this:

四大法王 (Four Guardian Kings)
tossgirl = 龙王 (dragon king)
idra = 金毛狮王 (blond-hair lion king)
...
...

五散人 (Five Wanderers)
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 26 2010 23:49 GMT
#66
I will add paralyze to the list.

On December 27 2010 06:17 Waxangel wrote:
wouldn't "cult" leader be closer :O


Cult has a negative connotation. Sect has a neutral one. Hence my choice.

Meh
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 27 2010 00:14 GMT
#67
On December 27 2010 08:49 baubo wrote:
I will add paralyze to the list.

Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 06:17 Waxangel wrote:
wouldn't "cult" leader be closer :O


Cult has a negative connotation. Sect has a neutral one. Hence my choice.



But the whole thing has negative connotations! This is intentional because we all agree that turtling is boring!
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
December 27 2010 00:53 GMT
#68
ROFL PARALYZE IS EXPLODING HEAD. some of these are awesome lol
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
December 27 2010 01:16 GMT
#69
On December 27 2010 09:53 Kenpachi wrote:
ROFL PARALYZE IS EXPLODING HEAD. some of these are awesome lol


actually i think "exploding head" is the term for afro, so really translated they're just calling him afro head.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 27 2010 02:42 GMT
#70
On December 27 2010 07:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Doctrine of the Cult:

- ALWAYS open a third base that has gas; don't scout, just go ahead and open it! If you want to turtle, make it pretty.
- ALWAYS keep tanks in siege mode! Have three armories upgrading at the same time. Range, speed, EMP, whatever... upgrade all of them!
- FULLY surround your mineral line with turrents; lay mine everywhere on your mineral line. Beside your base, put half a control group of goliath - with 3/3 upgrades! This way, it doesn't matter if your opponet's arbitor has energy (... the rest is weird so I skipped it...)
- Get a control group of tanks on every expansion and open fog of war with an Engineering Bay. This way, every time your opponent tries to overtake your expansion, he will lose more than 100 food worth of army!
- Hotkey all your comsats! Use Scanner Sweep every minute. This way, if your opponent goes for carriers, you can omgwtfbbq pwn him!
- ONLY attack after you have 190-200 food! Moving out with anything else is PURE EMBARASSMENT!
- The arts of this cult are mastered once the person can win every single game lamely (i.e. via turtling).

How long do you think a match takes? Twenty minutes? That's barely enough for a warm-up! Aim for at least forty minutes per game! Once you understand the psychology of a cultist who can manage to stay at his base for twenty minutes without pushing out, you will realize that staying for another twenty minutes is nothing.


This holy text makes me lol too much. OMG they admit that it is lame but still they take pleasure in doing it (because they are members of an "evil" cult lol). At least they don't even try to hide their evilness like the terrans on TL lol.
Khassar de Templari
radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
December 27 2010 03:06 GMT
#71
if there's anything i've learned from this, it's that chinese people are total jerks

User was temp banned for this post.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
December 27 2010 03:46 GMT
#72
hahah had a good laugh with some of these names. Im loveing the sarcasm its like a chinese version of the livestream channel chat.
in The Kong line forever
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 04:54:35
December 27 2010 04:52 GMT
#73
I've seen fantasy as 小范, little fan ( not the noun fan but the sound)
baby is 太阳, tai yang (sun), since his name is taeyang

and
On December 15 2010 16:38 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 16:33 okum wrote:
On December 15 2010 16:32 AppleTart wrote:
Also realize how Flash miscouted him. If he scouted correctly it probably would have ended up even worse.

You forget that Flash always has to start out with a disadvantage.


I mean, it is true that he had the advantageous position. You can't deny that.

In other news, apparently Tempest's Chinese nickname is 无脑 (no brain) LOL. stats is 鞋拔子 (shoehorn... thing that measures foot size?). Best is 禽兽, "beast," and Flash is 教主, "Pope." lolol. (and Bisu is "old Bi" )




oh and reach is 英雄, hero , since he's so manly.
Writer
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 15:16:36
December 27 2010 06:29 GMT
#74
Those people are just so funny hahaha I couldn't stop laughing while watching the Chinese version of BNet attack. Radialis why are you hurt lol? Even my sister who doesn't play Starcraft laughed haha.

I'd like to try and provide a better translation. His translations are correct but he didn't get the connotation across.

(P)Stork's 万年老二 nick means "Second Child for 10000 years" And I think that word used for second Child "老二" to is quite informal. Like the difference between stupid and crackhead. But I'm not too sure.

There's a list of people who always get's second place and they are called 千年老二 Second Child for 1000 years.
http://baike.baidu.com/view/1808487.htm


(P)Bisu's 必老爷 means "Old grandfather Bi". 必 is pronounced bì. Respectful towards Bisu.

Stat's 神偷 means goldly stealing or sneakiness. "偷"can mean to steal while "偷偷"means sneakily


(Z)Luxury: 他哥 simply means "His older brother "
Yarnc: 他弟 means His younger brother

Based on the explanation at http://bbs.plu.cn/archiver/tid-1033551.html

Earlier, Little YellOw was more famous, so when (Z)Luxury was playing, people would ask, "Isn't he YellOw?" Then people who knew would say "it's little YellOw's his older brother. (weird grammar here, I know but I'm trying to get the connotation)" And it spread.

People didn't know how to pronounce (Z)Luxury and it wasn't easy to make it into Chinese sounds, so they started calling him "it's Little YellOw's his older brother". But it was too long, so they shortened it into "his brother"

Later, (Z)Luxury became better and better while Little YellOw was having a decline, so everyone became more familiar with (Z)Luxury. So people would ask,"Who is this?" The reply was,"luxury's his younger brother"

And hence (the term) "younger brother" was born.



(Z)great:头牌 means trump card

This not so important but I would translate all the 大 into great or grand. As in (Z)Kwanro's 管若大帅哥 as great smart handsome man Kwanro. or (Z)Hyuk's 胡克大将军 great general (Z)Hyuk. (Z)Jaedong would be Great Demon King.


What would (T)Fantasy's 饭太子 mean? Rice prince?

Also, "猥琐" from 猥琐神教 (The Sect of Turtling) means something like "petty" or "low class" not sure of the meaning besides that it's definitely negative.
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
R2D2C3PO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada105 Posts
December 27 2010 06:37 GMT
#75
What would (T)Fantasy's 饭太子 mean? Rice prince?

Fantaizi - transliteration of Fantasy maybe?
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 27 2010 06:39 GMT
#76
Oh ya, most probably.
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 27 2010 06:59 GMT
#77
it's probably combining the literal translation with "prince"... tricky.

Bisu's 必老爷 means "Old grandfather Bi". 必 is pronounced bì. Not a nice way of calling grandfather either.


hmm, I thought Lao Ye is a term of respect?
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 27 2010 07:12 GMT
#78
Thanks, I've changed it after looking it up. The way my friends used that word made me confused.
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 07:59:58
December 27 2010 07:59 GMT
#79
On December 27 2010 09:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 08:49 baubo wrote:
I will add paralyze to the list.

On December 27 2010 06:17 Waxangel wrote:
wouldn't "cult" leader be closer :O


Cult has a negative connotation. Sect has a neutral one. Hence my choice.



But the whole thing has negative connotations! This is intentional because we all agree that turtling is boring!


I don't really know just how much people like/dislike turtling. I generally hate turtling, some many times I'm also in awe of it. Kind of "holy crap I can't believe you can goddamn win like this" type of thing. Besides, I don't want to get hate mails from Flash and Sea fans.

On December 27 2010 10:16 kdgns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 09:53 Kenpachi wrote:
ROFL PARALYZE IS EXPLODING HEAD. some of these are awesome lol


actually i think "exploding head" is the term for afro, so really translated they're just calling him afro head.


That is so much more lame for a translation.

On December 27 2010 15:29 JieXian wrote:

What would (T)Fantasy's 饭太子 mean? Rice prince?



Not that I didn't read through the rest of your post, but didn't think there's much worthy enough to change.

For Fantasy, his name in Chinese was translated by sound, so it sounded like Fan-Tai-Xi. Of which the first word, 'fan', is most commonly the character 饭. Hence when people type in fan onto their chinese keyboard, that is the word that fist pops up. It has nothing to do with the word rice.

You seem to take a lot of the translations very literally. It's really not worth the effort. I translated it for fun and amusement. A lot of times it's just about getting what you feel is the similar term in the other language is, rather than literal translation.
Meh
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
December 27 2010 08:24 GMT
#80
I also just remembered from doing a translation of this interview that Hyun is referred to as "mom" (妈) for whatever reason. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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