EPTWho were/are the best foreign sc1 players? - Page 9
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On December 25 2010 02:23 BlazeFury01 wrote: That's not immaturity it's the truth. Are you not a B- gamer? We're you not dismantled at WCG? Yes for both. If it wasn't factual then I could understand it as being immature but it's fact so therefore you posting it was rather irrelevant. The immature part is you posting messages in the forums thinking it would provide some similarity to me showing a sign of immaturity. lol infernal please think before you post. Actually, I'm 100% sure iNfeRnaL consistently reached A-/A on iCCup. No one here is going to beleive some random kid who jumps on a forum proclaiming a random foreigner is just as good as FlaSh. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:00 StarStruck wrote: You definitely know your Brood War and Vanilla Starcraft, but I would never put Skew anywhere on that list let alone call him the best in 2006-2009. Only place he did well was on ladder and nothing more. I will put him on the close, but no cigar list. Thank you for taking me down memory lane. Everything before 2002 is fuzzy and I cannot believe I forgot the following players: hbq (T) - one of China's all-time greats who resurfaced with MYM in 2005-2006 SunCow (P,Z) - If it weren't for MistrZZZ, he would be Poland's BM champion. Who cares about manner when you are that good? One thing is for sure, he stirred a ton of shit. Gosia/Paranoid (Z) - sick Poland macro Zileas(P) - Best 98 - I'm assuming you are talking about the most underrated American player of all time. He came out of retirement in 2004 with anSWers World when Gorky Island was still in the WGTour Map Pool. Yes he deserves to be recognized too. Remarkably the guy could still play. :+:jolly:+: (Z,R) - Best 98,99,00 - thank you for making me look like an idiot, yeah definitely one of the top guys before replays. Tillerman(Z,R) - Best 98,99,00 - this makes me look like a bigger idiot. MidiaN isn't alone after all. Leader of iN. and all around great player. Agent_911(R) - Best 98,99 - cornerstone of team iN. INCinerate(R) - Best 98,99 - see above eSu.StinGeR(R) - WGT season2, Best 01,02,03,05 - Yeah, I'm an idiot. This guy deserves to go right after Slayer on Norway's list. Bz.BlasT(P) - Best 01,02,03,04,05 - yeah, I'm an idiot. One of the best Mexican players of all time. [9]Kain/Kain-The-Feared(P) - Best 98,99 - one of the best during the beta and onward [9]eVERLAST(R) - B.net ladder champion, Best 98,99 - I think you left out one of the guys from [9] but I cannot remember who! I know you said Thor already. {PH}Pillars(P) - Best 99,00 - I forgot to add him on the American list :/ Sorry Chris. uT)Phellan[S2](Z) - Best 02,03,04 - another big name I forgot :/ Anon(Z) - WGT season11, Best 03,04,05 - Wasn't he from Lithuania? Yeah, he was. Shit more revisions to make. WiLLEt[pG](P) - Best 01,02,03 - Ok, you cannot have a Swedish list without this man. He is the cornerstone of Swedish RTS just like MaDFroG. I knew I was forgetting some [pG] players and now that you said that, I'd like to add some of my own! Ranger[pG] - Russian prodigy Socke[pG] - sick German [pG]MaDFroG - Sweden's pride heXer[pG] - great German player InFiNiTy[pG] - another German (see the pattern?) [pG]GeN - actually you already said this guy :/ [pG]Asmodey - the Russian sensation [pG]blaZe - actually this guy was Korean, but hell he was a lot of entertainment for the foreign scene [pG]DeliCato - actually you already said him :/ [pG]KeNKa - another name you already said [pG]Cope - German [pG]CraZy - cannot for the life of me remember his nationality. I know I was going to add him to my list, but I just cannot remember the country. Wasn't he Canadian? [pG]Dalailamer - German (this is why you cannot list all the German players D: too damn many!) Korn[pG] - Canadian B.C. pride and joy! :D Kiwi[pG] - while I'm on Korn I might as well add this Canadian too [pG]Fire - spreading more Canadian love I have revising to do on my list. X_X Oh yes Skew should be probably be replaced. He was a really good player but never accomplished anything big - other than knocking Rekrul out in WCG USA 2004 I guess  (Skew played as Artofglory back then and Rekrul was playing in Korea. Monkey[BallZ] was the other player that defeated Rekrul in that tournament) Seeing how I forgot Rekrul on my list, whom actually was quite good in 2002-2004 I'll replace Skew with him  As for your list I wont go into the rankings, but there are some factual errors there. Kain is canadian, you have him under american players. eVERLAST is swedish, you have him under american players. DeliCato is swedish, you have him under german players. Other than that you got them all right, and I'd like to add that Im quite impressed by your memory as well | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
Highest Skill Peak: PJ / LX: PJ defeated Savior in convincing fashion without cheese etc...Not to mention that he almost defeated Stork 2-0 in WCG 2009 after leading 1-0. LX on the other hand almost swept the STX B-Team after beating Tossgirl, July, Bogus, and losing to Trap 2-3). Most talented: Nony and Kolll. (Nony got 2nd in courage in his first try whilst Kolll got to B+/A- ICCUP within months and defeated IdrA 2-0. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
when i first started i was a confused newbie who had no clue how to play and so a good while after i found iCCup i went to youtube to try to find out how to be better but i couldnt find any zerg/terran fpvods (i was a bit sick of terran anyway cuz all my friends played it and we would only end up playing TvT hahaha) however i found the ones that NonY made, which were amazing and instantly made PvP and PvT into my best mu's by far...and then a old friend of mine who no longer plays would argue over who was better NonY or Modragon, after razer tsl we got into an argument over which one would in a TSL2 ironically the finals ended up being our heroes hahaha Liquid'Tyler has an enormous amount of talent and I feel is probably a great person(truly enjoyed ARBITERSSSSSSSSSS as well  PP ) also LIQUID'TYLER FIGHTIIIIIINNNGGG!!!! TSL3 IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING! | ||
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Monokeros
United States2493 Posts
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
Chinese players are sort of an enigma, I kind of don't understand what the deal was with the starcraft scene there and i think i'm not alone when i say that. There were some extremely good players but they weren't in a lot of tournaments idk. Sen was very good probably on the level of mondragon ret & nony. PJ was just absurd though, that dude can straight up late game macro PvP with bisu and stork and if that doesn't scare the shit out of you it should. And i believe LX was supposed to be about as good as PJ although he didn't achieve the same incredible wins at any WCGs the way PJ did. I'm not going to mention the early players like garimto and grr... and elky just because that whole super early era of starcraft was so different and w/e but yes when they played they were as good as the koreans of their time. | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
but other top players were liek ret mondragon brat ok | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 05 2011 13:32 FlameSworD wrote: nony hes best storm dropper http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72036¤tpage=12 but other top players were liek ret mondragon brat ok And had the best Arbiter control On January 05 2011 13:44 playa wrote: Most impressive players to me -- Androide, PJ, Draco and Day[9]. Why would Day[9] be there? He is cool, he is nowhere near as impressive as others | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 05 2011 13:32 FlameSworD wrote: nony hes best storm dropper [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72036¤tpage=12]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72036¤tpage=12[/url] but other top players were liek ret mondragon brat ok[/QUOTE] And had the best Arbiter control [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muitsly5t6M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muitsly5t6M[/url] [QUOTE]On January 05 2011 13:44 playa wrote: Most impressive players to me -- Androide, PJ, Draco and Day[9].[/QUOTE] Why would Day[9] be there? He is cool, he is nowhere near as impressive as others[/QUOTE I've had the chance to play most top foreigner zergs. Most players strike you as being, say, A- level. You get the feeling that they are better than people you usually play, but nothing much more than that. When you play Day[9], you know who you're playing; he plays the game like a fucking rocket scientist: his game is probably more refined and precise than a lot of pro gamers -- which is very rare. I see you being a Nony fan boy in your message, but what makes him more talented than Day[9]? I respect Nony, but at the same time, he is basically the protoss version of Idra; I don't see people talking about Idra's potential the same way, though. If Day[9} wanted to be a SC 1 pro gamer, I'm sure he would have had just as much success as Nony after he went to Korea. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 05 2011 15:47 Comeh wrote: Ret, Idra, Nony were probably the most refined of the foreigners, and best overall at the game. I suppose Mondragon should be mentioned - though his macro often left a lot to be desired at times. Fortunately, aggressive zergs can always make up from that just by having good micro and good game sense, which he had. What are you talking about, Mondi's macro was incredible. Even after his longtime retirement until TSL2, he proved to have great mechanics. He was not Jaedong or anything, but he started going above the 500 minerals after got like 5-6 bases (like the game on Andromeda vs a Terran, I think Brat_OK) [QUOTE]On January 05 2011 15:02 playa wrote: [QUOTE]On January 05 2011 14:29 Mortician wrote: [QUOTE]On January 05 2011 13:32 FlameSworD wrote: nony hes best storm dropper [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72036¤tpage=12]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72036¤tpage=12[/url] but other top players were liek ret mondragon brat ok[/QUOTE] And had the best Arbiter control [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muitsly5t6M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muitsly5t6M[/url] [QUOTE]On January 05 2011 13:44 playa wrote: Most impressive players to me -- Androide, PJ, Draco and Day[9].[/QUOTE] Why would Day[9] be there? He is cool, he is nowhere near as impressive as others[/QUOTE I've had the chance to play most top foreigner zergs. Most players strike you as being, say, A- level. You get the feeling that they are better than people you usually play, but nothing much more than that. When you play Day[9], you know who you're playing; he plays the game like a fucking rocket scientist: his game is probably more refined and precise than a lot of pro gamers -- which is very rare. I see you being a Nony fan boy in your message, but what makes him more talented than Day[9]? I respect Nony, but at the same time, he is basically the protoss version of Idra; I don't see people talking about Idra's potential the same way, though. If Day[9} wanted to be a SC 1 pro gamer, I'm sure he would have had just as much success as Nony after he went to Korea. [/QUOTE] You are clearly blinded by your Day[9] fanboyism, dude | ||
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Yung
United States727 Posts
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playa
United States1284 Posts
If one player is the best in USA for many years and then focuses more on school - hence doesn't join tourneys to get recognition, but another good player goes to Korea and trains for 14 hours a day... I don't see how that's more impressive if he becomes the better player. Nony is an amazing player, but you need perspective. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On December 17 2010 07:03 SubtleArt wrote:Idra has been regarded as the best foreigner in the west, if you will. He spent 3 years on the CJ Entus team but didn't get any televised games. Won a lot of foreigner tourneys and even knocked out Tossgirl in qualifiers once. On christmas eve i Thailand, I saw a game between IdrA and Trap on Arirang, commentated by Jason Lee and Brian Rhee. | ||
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soonsu
France166 Posts
Reading your post really brings me back memories from the old school players, really love them. I feel that the game was so fun to watch at that time, as the strategies were not developed like today, and you could see anything happen in a game, especially in the hands of geniuses like NTT. This guy would make almost any game like an action packed movie which you can't wait to watch, wondering what was going to happen. That's one of the reasons I would rank him much higher in your list, and Nazgul as well. Really love the GG, eSu, pG times. I have so much nostalgia for that time... | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
second wave: Fisheye, Sven, Slayer, Satanik, Asmodey, Nazgul, Blackman, Saft, Socke, Suker | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On December 17 2010 07:02 Rasky wrote: o come on there has to be more than that I know Idra played he's pretty good. Idra signed with a proteam, which is something of itself. But he really did not meet expectations. Many foreigners had faith in him to do well, but he only got like 1 appearance, and wasn't even on the bench most of the time. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19208 Posts
 Draco is awesome. 'nough said. | ||
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