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On January 05 2011 11:33 ppshchik wrote:
Most Successful: Grrr (OSL Champion, nuff said)
Highest Skill Peak: PJ / LX: PJ defeated Savior in convincing fashion without cheese etc...Not to mention that he almost defeated Stork 2-0 in WCG 2009 after leading 1-0. LX on the other hand almost swept the STX B-Team after beating Tossgirl, July, Bogus, and losing to Trap 2-3).
Most talented: Nony and Kolll. (Nony got 2nd in courage in his first try whilst Kolll got to B+/A- ICCUP within months and defeated IdrA 2-0.
I 100% agree with this, you can't really get a foreigner that is the best at all three of those.
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On December 18 2010 05:10 StarStruck wrote:
Lots of names have been tossed around.
There are too many prominent names, lots of which are in the database. Anyway, I decided to compose a comprehensive list based on their regions.
Notable players in chronological order from country (I will try to update this as best as I can if I think of anything else):
Canada
1. Grrrr...
2. Smuft
3. XiaOzI
4. Testie
5. JF
*After these guys you have players like Paul, Fire, AeriALs, Mora, VeG, TT1, Yan, Fayth, Pride, Taurent, Kiwi, Korn, CraZy, etc.
U.S.A:
1. Whear
2. Maynard
3. Tsunami
4. Froz
5. Assem
6. *NonY/IdrA (it wouldn't be fair if I didn't include these two, although their prominence to the top only came a year before SC2 came along)
*The States had many players who faired well. This list includes: {PH}Pillars, [9]Kain/Kain-The-Feared, [9]eVERLAST, Zileas, SloG4, Day[9], Rekrul, Cypressman, Incontrol, Nyoken, iNkA, Lz, Blackjack, G5, Agent_911, etc. They were well known for their good 2v2 teams like Poland and Germany.
U.K.
1. MidiaN
2. Tillerman
Jamie was just as good as Mondragon.
Netherlands
1. Ret
2. Twisted
3. Nazgul
4. Strafe
5. NTT
Norway:
1. Slayer
2. sVEN
3. StinGeR
4. Eriador
5. WhistleR
* Notable players: ErlinG and Oystein.
France
1. ElkY
2. Chobo
3. Sarens
4. TuZeR
5. MoMaN
Chile
1. KNiF
2. KeiR
3. DinOt
4. GoTuNk
5. KiLLeR
Malaysia
1. JohnRambo
2. MarinE
Peru
1. Fenix
2. CaStrO
3. sMacker
4. HanDy
5. Darki
Romania
1. Shaman
2. FlaF
3. UltraLinG
4. Praetor
5. Radu
*Another really strong nation during clanwars. Other players include: Ryko, AnDrEi, Jack and DeathAngel.
Mexico
1. GosI[Terran]
2. BlasT
3. StYm
4. DeSka
5. NeO)asS
Croatia
1. Ptak
Australia
1. Leggionaire
oG)Gabriel and StarHunter deserves a shoutout too.
Hungary
1. Ace
2. KaShu
3. Sziky
4. Cameleon
5. Gorky
*Another very strong nation. Other players include: Naib, Dromedar and iNFERNO.
Russia
1. Androide
2. A2
3. Brat_OK
4. Ex
5. Escape
*Other notable mentions: Asmodey, uT)Phellan[S2], Ranger[pG], Bruce, Pomi, Rondo, Casper, etc.
Greece
1. sataNik
2. Zato
3. Coulthard
4. TaSSa
5. DeA]eX[
Germany
1. Fisheye
2. BrEaKdOwN
3. GeNtLeMaN
4. Mondragon
5. Kolll
*Germany was a superpower for a very long time and there was a good reason for this. Their list of talent is as long as Poland's: Infernal, Ace, Socke[pG], heXer[pG], GhosTa, GoOdy, HoRRoR, Selector, [pG]Cope, [pG]Dalailamer, [pG]DeliCato, etc. Also worth noting, Mondragon and Testie formed one of the best 2v2 teams of all time. Germany also has monster 2v2's just like the USA.
Lithuania
1. Arew
2. Anon
3. Kr
China
1. Lx
2. PJ
3. Super
4. Vulture
5. F91
*It was very unfortunate that we would have so many latency problems when playing with the Chinese and as a result their players mostly played on the Chinese servers. Other notable players include: hbq, Beckham, RushGooN, Phoenix66, CCQ, Jaystar, ChinaTTTT, etc.
Taiwan
1. sEn
Portugal
1. Syz
2. MiLLs
Czech Republic
1. PredY
2. Crow
3. Dark_Caleb
4. Destroyer
5. Jump
Poland
1. Draco
2. Blackman
3. Dreiven
4. MaNa
5. Spawn
*Poland was another super power like Germany. Other players include: Paranoid, SunCow, Dunaj, MistrZZZ, Raven, Slider, Tarson, Sawyer, tomsOn, sYs, Moonshine etc. Also worth nothing, they were one of the hardest teams to play against in a Nation War because you would never know who the heck they were going to bring. -_-
Ukraine
1. White-Ra
2. Strelok
3. DIMAGA
4. yAn
5. ALF
*Ukraine was another really strong nation. Other players include: hanniGan, Enemy, etc.
Finland
1. MadClaw
2. nApoLeon
3. Ovvi
Turkey
1. ExGoSu
2. iLLe
Italy
1. ClouD
2. Cafone
I know I'm forgetting somebody, but I cannot remember.
Bulgaria
1. Beast
2. Lamer
3. DIDI8
4. ENJoY
5. Zelias
Other notables include: Technics and ready.
Belarus
1. LoWeLy
Kazakhstan
1. TemujiN
Argentia
1. Pato
2. Sabbath
Sweden
1. SaFT
2. WiLLEt[pG]
3. Daaman
4. TreK
5. Naugrim
*Another incredibly hard one. Other notable players include: [pG]MaDFroG, HayprO, KaaZ, Mireille, DaZe, ZpuX, Gurram, Morrow, etc.
Brazil
1. Hellghost
2. Odin
3. ReasoN
4. MasteR
5. StarDeath
*Kelsen is the only other player I can think of. I know I must be missing somebody.
Spain
1. ZelotITO
2. SquaLL
3. Suker
4. ALFA
very well written, sir~
I would probably add to france SDT~)Nohope (i think was a good zerg from France), to USA - Artosis, to GB maybe Spire[MB], notforu to Russia, CQ~2000 from China (if i remember correctly), [EPIsode]:-=V=- to Taiwan, [o]Mr.X to Bulgaria too, ToT)Arch( to Denmark, OctZerg to Macedonia, Vanilla to Serbia, eX-Thunder to Poland (was a very good p back then imo) ^.^
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I really think PJ was the best because he skill level was as close to the Korean S-class gamers as any non-foreigner ever gotten.
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Great list starstruck. Im quite sure [pG]DeliCato is swedish though. Him and sjow were a great team in wc3 2vs2.
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On January 06 2011 01:59 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
I would probably add to france SDT~)Nohope (i think was a good zerg from France), to USA - Artosis, to GB maybe Spire[MB], notforu to Russia, CQ~2000 from China (if i remember correctly), [EPIsode]:-=V=- to Taiwan, [o]Mr.X to Bulgaria too, ToT)Arch( to Denmark, OctZerg to Macedonia, Vanilla to Serbia, eX-Thunder to Poland (was a very good p back then imo) ^.^
Nohope, most known for being BM and saying "Die in twin towers fat hamburger" during war3 beta. NOT a top french player. From the old days, a notable french player missing is Scream. In Lan tournaments it was always :
1. Elky
2. Chobo
3. Scream
4. Moman
Good times 
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I think the big list on this page is pretty good. However, I keep seeing people list a lot of mediocre German players, yet they leave out schnibl0r, who is probably better than 90% of the players they name. I just find it weird when people list old school Germans but still overlook him.
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time changed, nowadays foreigners are stronger then ever (in my personal opinion)... the list should be edited a lot ;D i dont think that we had such strong player as bonyth ever... his micro is best foreigner scene ever had
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i'm the best peruvian whisperer in the foreign scene, that's all that matters in this work a day world
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On November 14 2017 05:57 krepsazz wrote:time changed, nowadays foreigners are stronger then ever (in my personal opinion)... the list should be edited a lot ;D i dont think that we had such strong player as bonyth ever... his micro is best foreigner scene ever had
I mean, ultimately unless they play in Korea, we won't be able to make good comparisons
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On November 14 2017 05:57 krepsazz wrote:time changed, nowadays foreigners are stronger then ever (in my personal opinion)... the list should be edited a lot ;D i dont think that we had such strong player as bonyth ever... his micro is best foreigner scene ever had
Sziky.
In 2011-2014 or so (forget exactly when Sziky went inactive) he was basically in his own tier. If Sziky showed up, you generally new he was going to win the tour. Hit B on fish, and like Bonyth in PvT especially Sziky could show strong games with occasional wins even against top tier KR players.
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On December 18 2010 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 21:02 Holgerius wrote:On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I would say Mondragon.
He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time.
Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion. Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW? Yeah, great career, great achievements... Let's see... Failed to qualify in any major league in Korea, Failed to go to A team after 3 years, Failed to play a single Kespa TV match, Lost to a foreigner in WCG 0-2, Failed in TSL1 early on Failed in TSL2 although he has 600 more practice time and experience than anybody else. He won a lot of small tournaments. Great. If he had been Korean, we would refer to him as a scrub who never achieved anything at all. Probably none of us would have ever heard of him. No, sorry, Idra has been a very very unsuccesfull progamer. He played amazingly, had fantastic mechanics, but something has always been missing, and this something seems to have been essential.
THIS, IdrA's progaming carreer really started with sc2, he was just some high level foreigner with good contacts in bw.
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PJ was the best, he got 2nd place in WCG and beat savior in BO3 match.
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Sziky for sure when he was in his peak. At this moment the best outside Korea and China is propably Bonyth.
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On November 14 2017 12:21 XenOsky- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:On December 17 2010 21:02 Holgerius wrote:On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I would say Mondragon.
He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time.
Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion. Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW? Yeah, great career, great achievements... Let's see... Failed to qualify in any major league in Korea, Failed to go to A team after 3 years, Failed to play a single Kespa TV match, Lost to a foreigner in WCG 0-2, Failed in TSL1 early on Failed in TSL2 although he has 600 more practice time and experience than anybody else. He won a lot of small tournaments. Great. If he had been Korean, we would refer to him as a scrub who never achieved anything at all. Probably none of us would have ever heard of him. No, sorry, Idra has been a very very unsuccesfull progamer. He played amazingly, had fantastic mechanics, but something has always been missing, and this something seems to have been essential. THIS, IdrA's progaming carreer really started with sc2, he was just some high level foreigner with good contacts in bw.
If you mean compared to KR standards yea. IdrA wasn't as good as Scan.
But IdrA was certainly better than say Sziky or Bonyth are today. Not by a lot, but he was the dominate foreigner with over 80% WR.
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On November 14 2017 14:43 1030xxx wrote:
PJ was the best, he got 2nd place in WCG and beat savior in BO3 match.
True, even though savior was drunk. Doesn't make him not the best foriegner though...he consistently took games off pros (including stork and bisu).
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On November 14 2017 15:50 Piste wrote:
Sziky for sure when he was in his peak. At this moment the best outside Korea and China is propably Bonyth.
Just checked https://starlog.gg/en/leaderboard
Non-kr player mmr ranking:
U.S. West SouL)T(Dandy 3025 Terran 275 193
U.S. West Bonyth. 3000 Protoss 97 34
Asia houshifumemeda 2908 Terran 505 436 (Mihu)
Asia SC.jaystar 2879 Protoss 109 46
Europe Sziky1 2831 Zerg 285 226
Europe rM]Dewalt 2795 Protoss 82 37
Asia ToSs.. 2767 Protoss 351 300 (LX)
Asia xiximeimei 2698 Zerg 116 74 (Fengzi)
Europe Nal_Draco 2672 Protoss 175 118
U.S. West Dandy. 2659 Terran 198 147
Europe Spidey 2654 Zerg 1082 988 (Eonzerg)
Europe OpenAI 2613 Terran 191 141 (Koget)
Europe Trutacz 2593 Zerg 457 385
Europe ourplay 2591 Terran 626 573 (Gargoyle)
U.S. West bethegreatest 2514 Zerg 194 142
Europe g0rynich 2503 Zerg 288 232 (Notforu)
And ELO ranking http://prorm.webd.pl/rekin5/
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/StarCraft_Remastered_Ladder
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Idra is just bad because of his mindset, good mechanical skills but jesus his mindsetting
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Don't get me wrong but idra was nowhere near the best foreign players.
He was in CJ just because Nony didn't want to get involved so much and Idra had the chance to go...
As best players I'd say:
Protoss: PJ, White-ra, Nony
Zerg: Legend (LX), Mondragon, Kolll
Terran: Androide, a2kate, EX
Rdm: Testie
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On November 14 2017 17:56 BlueStar wrote:
Don't get me wrong but idra was nowhere near the best foreign players.
He was in CJ just because Nony didn't want to get involved so much and Idra had the chance to go...
As best players I'd say:
Protoss: PJ, White-ra, Nony
Zerg: Legend (LX), Mondragon, Kolll
Terran: Androide, a2kate, EX
Rdm: Testie
LX was protoss, so maybe F91 instead for Zerg?
honorable mention to ToT)Yosh( for terran, he was really good when he was active, otherwise i agree
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