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Who were/are the best foreign sc1 players?

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Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
December 16 2010 21:54 GMT
#1
I'm not too familiar with the sc1 scene I know a bit about sc2 and I who a bit about the foreign sc2 players and where they are from.. Now my question is who were/are the best sc1 players outside South Korea?
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
December 16 2010 21:57 GMT
#2
So... You want the best sc1 players who never played in Korea? So no Grrrr but yes Whitera?
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Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
December 16 2010 22:02 GMT
#3
o come on there has to be more than that I know Idra played he's pretty good.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2131 Posts
December 16 2010 22:02 GMT
#4
Mondragon was pretty good.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
December 16 2010 22:03 GMT
#5
Well relative to Koreans they were all horrible, and 99% of WCG games between Koreans and non koreas were total blowouts, so keep in mind this is all relative.

PJ was perhaps the most skilled non-korean. He's retired now, but he was the best chinese player and even took games off players like Bisu and Savior at WCG.

Idra has been regarded as the best foreigner in the west, if you will. He spent 3 years on the CJ Entus team but didn't get any televised games. Won a lot of foreigner tourneys and even knocked out Tossgirl in qualifiers once.

Nony was on Estro for a bit, and he's also seen as a really talented foreigner and rival to Idra.

Ret, same thing as nony. Ret joined Estro but it didn't really work out too well. Won quite a few foreigner tourneys also and almost always placed fairly high.

That's all I can think of, the rest are pretty unremarkable. Theres Grrr and Elky of course, but I didn't watch sc back then so I cant comment
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Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
December 16 2010 22:04 GMT
#6
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
December 16 2010 22:58 GMT
#7
There were a few non-Korean players who were pretty much equal with or better than your average pro b-teamer, when they were in proper shape. Players like mondragon from Germany, testie from Canada, androide from Russia. There were some foreigners with really impressive mechanics/strategic ability. Guys who when they met one of the progamers in the WCG finals had good reason to believe they could win, and often did put up a really good fight.
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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
December 16 2010 23:05 GMT
#8
mondragon was pretty good. he won against savior once...i think
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 23:11:58
December 16 2010 23:11 GMT
#9
(T)Androide was pretty good.
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lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
December 16 2010 23:14 GMT
#10
Grrr for winning OSL
Elky for being the latest foreigner to be on the kespa top30list
Mondi for his many year domination
PJ for his godly pvt
LX was good
SEn also dominated for a while
Legionaire from AUS, probaly being the latest foreigner top play a kespa television match?
Idra was probably the best player in the end of the SC era (since sc2 came out)
Ret and nony were / are good
i liked JF as well
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
December 16 2010 23:20 GMT
#11
Mondragon, Testie, Draco, Sen, Androide, PJ, Legend, F91 are ppl that are poping right now on my mind as the players in the "golden" years of BW.

White-ra, Nony, Ret, Idra as the dominant players in the last active year of BW.

And my favorite player when i started with SC was Brat_Tsunami. Man that guy was damn impressive for like 80-100 apm zerg. His SC guide and his reppack was the first thing I read and watched for some basic BW knowledge.
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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
December 16 2010 23:28 GMT
#12
PJ is the best foreigner of all time in my opinion. He knocked out Savior, took a game off a Bisu, and his play was similar to an A team player.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 16 2010 23:38 GMT
#13
I'm not too familiar with players in the earlier stages of BW.

Personally, though, I think Nony had the most potential out of all the foreign players by far. When in form he was utterly amazing. I think if he'd stuck to it he could have easily been very successful in BW. I think he made the smarter decision in leaving Korea for his life overall, though.

Further, I think Ret had more potential than Idra, and Idra was, to me, a huge disappointment after having been in Korea for so long. His play really started becoming solid towards the end of his BW career but it still saddens me we never even saw him take Courage. I find it very sad how Ret's first stay in Korea ended up and am embarrassed for Korea because of it if what I've gathered is correct.

Koll (everyone seems to have completely forgotten him lol) really surprised the scene when he took games off of progamers at a WCG with some pretty solid play. If he really was the more solid mechanically-based player he was hyped to be, then he would've had quite a bit of potential as well.

Aside from that, there were a ton of good players. White-Ra was always one of my favorites, as well as the foreign hero Mondragon, a lot of the Chinese players, I always really liked Brat_ok's play as well, for whatever reason.

The biggest thing missing from most foreigners in their play was that base mechanical foundation. This is something that can only come from lots and lots of dedicated practice and the beating out of some bad habits. Beyond that, though, some simply flat out do have more potential than others. That said, I'll go out on a limb and once again say Nony had the most potential by far and very nearly was the best.
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Assuton
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
December 16 2010 23:47 GMT
#14
Most of the best foreigners from sc1 switched to sc2.
ssregi-
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)146 Posts
December 16 2010 23:52 GMT
#15
Idra
The best
NeVeR GiVeUp !~~
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
December 16 2010 23:54 GMT
#16
Don't forget about Fenix!
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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
December 16 2010 23:57 GMT
#17
As far as I know, China was the only country outside of Korea that had a full fledge pro Starcraft scene with progamer houses, sponsors, etc (at least according to Ret and Incontrol)

PJ, possibly the strongest Chinese player, beat savior during savior's reign as bonjwa. I think that's something only a handful of top Koreans could do at that time.

As for westerners, I think IdrA-Ret-Nony were considered to be the best.
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IAttackYou
Profile Joined August 2010
United States330 Posts
December 16 2010 23:58 GMT
#18
there were plenty of really strong foreigners in WCG before the whole money thing korea took over. Mondragon, Grrrr really really strong players.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 00:08:04
December 17 2010 00:06 GMT
#19
I'd say that people who went to play in Korea are all pretty good, like Grrrr, Idra, Nony, ret, etc.

though If I had to limit it to skill level prior to release of SC2 per race, I'd say:
Terran: Grack
Toss: NonY
Zerg: Mondragon
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 00:07:43
December 17 2010 00:07 GMT
#20
meant to edit, not quote >.<
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