EPTOn December 17 2010 15:55 BalliSLife wrote:
Who is better between PJ and Mondragon?
Who is better between PJ and Mondragon?
Yo homnie Pj beats Stork and Savior in their good day
Who were/are the best foreign sc1 players? - Page 4
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ssregi-
Korea (South)146 Posts
Yo homnie Pj beats Stork and Savior in their good day | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On December 17 2010 15:24 Spazer wrote: The release of sc2 essentially killed the foreign bw scene since all the players moved over to the new game. There's still a few playing bw, but it's certainly not many. Going through this year's WCG finals and prelims is probably your best bet to look for them. It's probably a chinese player, would be hard to say exactly who though. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On December 17 2010 13:51 Guybrush wrote: Im surprised noone has mentioned Advokate taking a game of Jaedong in WCG 2009. Imo that's almost bigger than PJ beating Savior in 2007 eventhough that was a BO3. Im pretty sure it was revealed in an interview that they asked Jaedong for a game the night before when JD visited Advo and the other foreigners (jokingly, of course. But you never know). The Chinese SC scene is pretty much unknown, but PJ, lx, and F91 stood out on the few occasion we see them play. Outside of China, we got Grrr, Elky, Assem, Leg, Nazgul, Rekrul, Mondi, Draco, Sen, Artosis (lol), Advokate, Strelok, Haypro, Idra, Nony, and a bunch of other people that i couldn't remember off the top of my head, who were outstanding in the period that they were active. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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rift
1819 Posts
A brief history of the foreigners who went to Korea. http://www.teamliquid.net/tsld/ ELO and leagues, up to the last foreigner tournament, the Pokerstrategy.com TSL. In my own opinion, the most successful or "the greatest of all time": P: Grrrr... T: ElkY Z: Mondragon ...and the highest overall skill, "the best" at the end: P: Pj, NonY if you don't consider Chinese players foreigners T: IdrA Z: ret | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2763 Posts
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
Nony got to the finals of his first courage tournament. Idra never even competed with koreans afaik.[/QUOTE lol remember when he beat GoRush is OSL or MSL prelims after playing SC2 in order to keep his progaming license? | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:24 Navane wrote: Nony got to the finals of his first courage tournament. Idra never even competed with koreans afaik. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/600_IdrA/games | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27180 Posts
 He mentioned Hellghost, who might not make into onto your list from acheivements, as someone who possessed great skill.I would argue that Froz belongs higher up on your list, even if only for 2-0ing Boxer at WCG. At the time that seemed impossible, but it happened. He is also someone that could pick up the game at any time and be really really good again in a day, much like Smuft. | ||
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Xtal
Haiti385 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8222 Posts
He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time. Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion. | ||
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote: I would say Mondragon. He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time. Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion. Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW? | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
he was insanely good, still is | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote: I would say Mondragon. He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time. Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion. Even when starcraft 2 beta came out, idra still won gorush and lost to jaehoon 2-1 in the OSL qualifiers this year june. This is no easy feat considering the fact that he had been playing starcraft 2 beta all along. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27180 Posts
On December 17 2010 21:02 Holgerius wrote: Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW? The level of competition in the last year of BW is hard to compare with the rest of BW's history. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
On December 17 2010 21:38 Coulthard wrote: In terms of acomplishments its by far Elky and Grrr but in terms of pure skill peak its Draco, Mondragon, PJ, Adroide, LX, ret, F91 I agree with this post. I don't know how much people have watched Draco's replays from when he was in Korea, but he practiced with players who are now A-teamers and he was putting a hell of a fight. I always wondered how far he could go if he stayed there. Replays were posted in these threads, but links to download them are now down and I didn't save any  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=74188 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75012 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76732 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79160 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=79409 It would be cool if anyone have them on their comp to reupload once again. | ||
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