EPTWho were/are the best foreign sc1 players? - Page 12
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wishbonesaka
Canada117 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1606 Posts
Also, Dewalt is probably equal to or slightly behind Bonyth as the best foreign protoss player. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 16 2017 03:37 wishbonesaka wrote: where's the love fro Dewalt, i've seen his fpvods, very clean player, thought he was korean when i first watched one, and im confident in assuming he is top tier on the foreigners. i've not watched a lot of his games and i choose to stand by this assumption. correct me if im wrong. #boldcomments He's a strong protoss, one of the better ones; but doesn't match the level of Bonyth, some of our good zergs, or perhaps Dandy (who is apparently doing crazy well but haven't watched anything lately). Dewalt is for sure in top 10 or so, but this discussion has mainly be discussing the foreigners who were absolute cream of the crop. Not sure Dewalt is quite strong enough for that discussion. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 14 2017 21:18 sicklucker wrote: I once dt rushed idra first round of a big tourney (offracesort of). It was bo3 he didnt even bother to play the second match. I went on to win it eZ He was probably at his peak could have easily 2-0ed me but that was idras mindset but we sort of all know that It's pretty ridiculous how bad his mindset was. Talking shit and being frustrated by perceived imbalances...I'm all fine and Dandy with. It's when you let that affect your actual gameplay that it's an issue. IdrA always gave the impression he became massively unhinged, and while he might have played that up a little bit I think that was also fairly true and really held him back. I also would suspect it contributes to why he stopped playing SC2 nor came back to play BW. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1606 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:21 L_Master wrote: He's a strong protoss, one of the better ones; but doesn't match the level of Bonyth, some of our good zergs, or perhaps Dandy (who is apparently doing crazy well but haven't watched anything lately). Dewalt is for sure in top 10 or so, but this discussion has mainly be discussing the foreigners who were absolute cream of the crop. Not sure Dewalt is quite strong enough for that discussion. I disagree on many levels. Dewalt is clearly the #2 foreign protoss if you count Bonyth as the #1 foreign protoss. They have completely different styles so it's a bit hard to compare the two. While Bonyth has god level micro and sick timing attacks, I feel that Dewalt's multitasking and macro are a bit better. I also think that Dewalt is better than most of the current good zergs. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 16 2017 04:40 EndingLife wrote: I disagree on many levels. Dewalt is clearly the #2 foreign protoss if you count Bonyth as the #1 foreign protoss. They have completely different styles so it's a bit hard to compare the two. While Bonyth has god level micro and sick timing attacks, I feel that Dewalt's multitasking and macro are a bit better. I also think that Dewalt is better than most of the current good zergs. Well, I said as much about Dewalt's place. He is definitely the #2 protoss, and in fairness he probably is at the level of Eon and TrutacZ. It's also possible that his multitasking and macro are better, but that's not really relevant when comparing successful players or skill. Results are. In terms of wins and tour success, Bonyth is clearly ahead of Dewalt, and really everyone else. He's beaten Scan a few times and can generally take games from anyone. There are actually quite alot of foreign tours right now, so it's a little hard to keep up, but I don't know of two many wins for Dewalt. I don't think he won any TL opens, I think he has won a couple OSC's a I think a Clash for Char, but at best I could put him on similar level of guys like TrutacZ and eon. They're damn good, but it goes back to the point point that there isn't separation. Bonyth right now is the only player that seems to be close to seperation from the pack. If you give me Eon, TrutacZ, Dewalt, Dandy, etc. I wouldn't be particularly inclined to favor any player. All are very good and equally capable of winning (my perception). Bonyth starts to seperate himself a bit. But current Bonyth still has nowhere near the seperation that 2011-2014 Sziky had, hence the why Dewalt isn't in the conversation for GOAT foreigner discussion. IdrA, Sziky, Ret, maybe NonY, and Draco if you go back a little further are probably the only guys I can think of that belong in that discussion. | ||
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Trutaacz
Poland101 Posts
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1606 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 16 2017 06:30 EndingLife wrote: That list seems pretty damn accurate for players who actively play in tournaments. The only downfall to that list is that not everybody participates in tournaments. Examples: Ret and Mana would be ranked much higher if they played in more tournaments. I don't see anything wrong with the top 15 players though, it seems fairly accurate as to who the current best foreigners are. Agreed. The usual suspects are 70%ers against top tier competition, and Bonyth around 80%. Scan's record is impressive; I realize he is dominant, but I feel like he should more than 4 losses...he lost at least a tour or two to Bonyth and it's not like he NEVER loses games. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1606 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7218 Posts
On November 16 2017 14:22 EndingLife wrote: Bonyth's micro is definitely top notch. His control and decision making with early units is insanely good. To get 3000, you have to be able to beat Koreans consistently, which he does with an insane record. Sziky is 2800+, lets see if he can get it back and get to 3000. Apparently they made changes to'the mmr ,spx said he is facing ez oponents and reaching 3k aswell.i also have the impresion that when u make a new id is much easier to rank up.my id kylo-ren is 2800 without much effort.however my main id spidey that i use the most i have more hard oponents with less mmr.im not really sure whats going on. | ||
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krepsazz
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
On November 16 2017 05:53 FyRe_DragOn wrote: I dont have much to add to the discussion of greatest of all time, but this http://prorm.webd.pl/rekin5/index.php is a great resource for current top foreigners, updated every few weeks, started from early 2017 I believe. There is a player listed twice, Tech- and q8D are the same person. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10986 Posts
 )...It was obviously SKELTON.. Because he sat at the top of that bnet ladder for like forever :D. (edit: which is korean if my quick research showed, so fuck me). | ||
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