• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:39
CEST 18:39
KST 01:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event7Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options? ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1862 users

Who were/are the best foreign sc1 players? - Page 3

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
December 17 2010 04:39 GMT
#41
Koreans> foreigners. But I loved legionnaire and pj
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 17 2010 04:51 GMT
#42
Im surprised noone has mentioned Advokate taking a game of Jaedong in WCG 2009. Imo that's almost bigger than PJ beating Savior in 2007 eventhough that was a BO3.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
horseoverking
Profile Joined December 2010
United States19 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 04:52:13
December 17 2010 04:51 GMT
#43
after the skill gap between koreans and foreigners became evident only 4-5 players ever rivaled some of the progamers mechanically - androide, idra, arguably ret and some of the chinese (pj and lx). Others succeeded quite a few times with solid thought-out plays and stellar execution, nony is the best example

if you talk about talent - probably froz, androide and ret
'What about Lolita (the book by Nabukov)?' - Simplistik
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
December 17 2010 04:54 GMT
#44
Guybrush!!!!
Haven't seen you post in forever!
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 17 2010 05:05 GMT
#45
On December 17 2010 13:51 horseoverking wrote:
after the skill gap between koreans and foreigners became evident only 4-5 players ever rivaled some of the progamers mechanically - androide, idra, arguably ret and some of the chinese (pj and lx). Others succeeded quite a few times with solid thought-out plays and stellar execution, nony is the best example

if you talk about talent - probably froz, androide and ret


Don't forget about Nony, he has always been a great mechanical player.
Hi.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
December 17 2010 05:14 GMT
#46
NonY got 2nd place in Courage on his 1st try.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5469 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 05:20:15
December 17 2010 05:16 GMT
#47
Brat_OK was really high level at one point.

* 1st place WCG Russia 2009
* 1st place DreamHack Winter 2009 Sweden
FBH #1!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 05:22:49
December 17 2010 05:22 GMT
#48
Foreign BW is dead now, but a few great players from different eras are:

IdrA,
Mondragon,
Grrr,
Nony,
Ret,
Incontrol
Legionnaire

Androide and Brat_OK were also pretty good.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
December 17 2010 06:02 GMT
#49
On December 17 2010 07:03 SubtleArt wrote:


PJ was perhaps the most skilled non-korean. He's retired now, but he was the best chinese player and even took games off players like Bisu and Savior at WCG.


Yeah, through cheese and completely unnatural play compared to how Koreans play.

I'd like to see PJ play Bisu if Bisu had the opportunity to watch some of his PVP VODS before the match, because you know PJ has watched Bisu play plenty.
greenDron
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)94 Posts
December 17 2010 06:14 GMT
#50
so

are there any foreigners still playing broodwar??? or who is still competitive, not really interested in sc2. I'm guessing basically none? anyone know?
pm me
JustQuitWarcraftIII
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States679 Posts
December 17 2010 06:17 GMT
#51
Pj, Lx, and Assem.
nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
December 17 2010 06:22 GMT
#52
Good posts here. I've been following competitive BW since 2002 or so, and it's cool to see some oldschool names pop up.

But nobody seems to have answered the second part of the original question: who are the best foreigners NOW? It seems like most everyone that has been listed already has retired from BW (or am I wrong?).

Love to hear about it.

Nick/InkMeister
Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
December 17 2010 06:24 GMT
#53
On December 17 2010 15:14 greenDron wrote:
so

are there any foreigners still playing broodwar??? or who is still competitive, not really interested in sc2. I'm guessing basically none? anyone know?

The release of sc2 essentially killed the foreign bw scene since all the players moved over to the new game. There's still a few playing bw, but it's certainly not many. Going through this year's WCG finals and prelims is probably your best bet to look for them.
Liquipedia
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 07:24:35
December 17 2010 06:35 GMT
#54
Mondragon Testie Androide Sen Incontrol were always at top for the longest ever. Especially mondragon.


Edit: I'll have to agree with intrigue, Guybrush's post is pretty much Fact.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
December 17 2010 06:40 GMT
#55
guybrush's post is insanely good and informed. reads like a starcraft textbook.
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
December 17 2010 06:40 GMT
#56
f91.
+ Show Spoiler +
oh snap shitbus here we come.
Translator
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 17 2010 06:42 GMT
#57
I didn't see much love for White-Ra and Strelok here, but they were also among the top of the foreign BW scene before SC2. Of course I agree with the other names presented in the thread.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 17 2010 06:48 GMT
#58
wowowow Guybrush's post--thanks, I learned a lot!
Writer
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
December 17 2010 06:55 GMT
#59
Who is better between PJ and Mondragon?
Ya well, at least I don't fuck a fleshlight with a condom on and cry at the same time.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
December 17 2010 06:59 GMT
#60
There's a huge difference between "greatest" and "best." Tons of people are listing achievements and thats how great you were. Best specifically means peak level so theres no point mentioning old school players at all
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
16:00
Ro24 Group E
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 404
Railgan 96
SteadfastSC 84
BRAT_OK 83
Ketroc 60
gerald23 32
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31361
Calm 7570
Sea 2504
Horang2 1701
Shuttle 1285
Hyuk 463
ggaemo 439
EffOrt 399
Soma 386
Rush 184
[ Show more ]
Nal_rA 142
hero 132
actioN 86
Hyun 57
Movie 38
Barracks 37
sorry 30
Rock 27
Sharp 26
Hm[arnc] 20
yabsab 17
IntoTheRainbow 15
JulyZerg 12
Terrorterran 9
SilentControl 6
Dota 2
Gorgc3914
qojqva1816
monkeys_forever310
420jenkins222
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor384
MindelVK7
Other Games
B2W.Neo1557
Beastyqt855
ArmadaUGS334
crisheroes175
Hui .171
KnowMe140
Trikslyr41
Rex16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream65
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• iHatsuTV 22
• Adnapsc2 16
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach49
• Michael_bg 40
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV493
League of Legends
• Jankos1824
• Nemesis1593
Other Games
• Shiphtur262
Upcoming Events
BSL
2h 21m
Replay Cast
7h 21m
RSL Revival
17h 21m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
21h 21m
BSL
1d 2h
IPSL
1d 2h
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 17h
Jaedong vs Light
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
3 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
4 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.