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SLoGgErDoGgEr
Profile Joined March 2004
Korea (South)340 Posts
December 18 2010 14:29 GMT
#121
and [pG]FiSheYe
https://www.twitter.com/SLoGsc2
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 14:39:14
December 18 2010 14:38 GMT
#122
Hahaha SloG! <3

See the other page bro. O;
Joefish
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany314 Posts
December 18 2010 17:37 GMT
#123
Kolll.
He is a really amazing player and bashed Idra 2:0 at WCG finals 2009 when he was 14 or 15.
Overall a pretty good bw player and his young age is always what amazed me.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 19 2010 00:06 GMT
#124
On December 19 2010 02:37 Joefish wrote:
Kolll.
He is a really amazing player and bashed Idra 2:0 at WCG finals 2009 when he was 14 or 15.
Overall a pretty good bw player and his young age is always what amazed me.

His next game against bisu or stork, forgot which one, was terrible. And I don't remember him doing anything but beat idra which a lot of foreigners do already.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7300 Posts
December 19 2010 00:29 GMT
#125
elky :o
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Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2925 Posts
December 19 2010 01:43 GMT
#126
Tough call... SC1 has existed for so long and there are so many players that have put up a good show in the past. When you ask people who Korea's 10 best players I'm sure most people would agree on something close to: Boxer, Nada, Oov, Flash, Garimto, Reach, Stork, Bisu, Savior, Jaedong.

For a foreign list it becomes really hard since there are way more players involved from different nationalities and people have a hard time being objective. Of course the Korean players have been tested way more often which makes the construction of a Korean list a lot easier. In the foreign scene there haven't been too many players that truly where at the top for a longer period of time though. Just go through all the names in this thread and see how many players are listed. They are all listed because they all seemed to do good at least at one point of the game.

I'd probably go with the best players of the last 2 or 3 years (since imo it was easier to be a 'good' player back in the early days), mixed with a couple players that were really great for a longer period of time. Just to pick 10 players: Grrr, Elky, Mondragon, ret, Idra, Nony, White-Ra, PJ, and then maybe Androide & SEn.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
CoL_Fuehrer
Profile Joined August 2009
Russian Federation124 Posts
December 19 2010 02:00 GMT
#127
Grr, ret, nony, and last but not least REKRUL
LZGamer "I can get better at starcraft anytime but as for Idra he cannot change his face"
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
December 19 2010 10:25 GMT
#128
On December 18 2010 17:54 ondik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best storm drops: Nony


LOL. wonder how many people got this.



now this is somewhat epic .. :D :D :D
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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
December 24 2010 10:43 GMT
#129
On December 18 2010 05:10 StarStruck wrote:
Lots of names have been tossed around.

There are too many prominent names, lots of which are in the database. Anyway, I decided to compose a comprehensive list based on their regions.

Notable players in chronological order from country (I will try to update this as best as I can if I think of anything else):

Canada

1. Grrrr...
2. Smuft
3. XiaOzI
4. Testie
5. JF

*After these guys you have players like Paul, Fire, AeriALs, Mora, VeG, TT1, Yan, Fayth, Pride, Taurent, Kiwi, Korn, CraZy, etc.


You have some crazy memory.

This sorta made my day. Thanks for the nod.
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
December 24 2010 11:38 GMT
#130
SaFT
Hello=)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43361 Posts
December 24 2010 12:45 GMT
#131
On December 18 2010 22:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
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On December 18 2010 12:02 rift wrote:
On December 18 2010 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On December 17 2010 21:02 Holgerius wrote:
On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I would say Mondragon.

He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time.

Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion.

Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW?

Yeah, great career, great achievements... Let's see...

Failed to qualify in any major league in Korea,
Failed to go to A team after 3 years,
Failed to play a single Kespa TV match,
Lost to a foreigner in WCG 0-2,
Failed in TSL1 early on
Failed in TSL2 although he has 600 more practice time and experience than anybody else.

He won a lot of small tournaments. Great. If he had been Korean, we would refer to him as a scrub who never achieved anything at all. Probably none of us would have ever heard of him.

No, sorry, Idra has been a very very unsuccesfull progamer. He played amazingly, had fantastic mechanics, but something has always been missing, and this something seems to have been essential.


From your posts it seems like you have something personal against IdrA.Your dislike of him as a player is warping your assessment of his ability. It's pretty much accepted that he was the best foreigner in 2009. NonY came out of retirement to play TSL2 and beat him 3-2 in a close series with some well-known incidents. Yes, if he was Korean "probably none of us would have ever heard of him", but the same could be said of ret, nony or almost any other top foreigner of the past several years. What makes them stand out is that they aren't Korean

Well, I don't like Idra at all, but that's not the problem.

Take Mondi. Mondi is an amateur who dominated for years, won tournaments, and took game to progamers on a regular basis for ages. He was a leader of one of the biggest clan also.

Idra is the contrary. Idra is a professional who has failed for three years not only to do anything at all on the professional stage, but hasn't been able to win the biggest amateur tourneys at his time.

There is no doubt that Idra had incredible skill before switching to SC2 (but which talented player wouldn't with the training he had), and that he was the best player around on many aspects: mechanics, knowledge of the game, etc... He is just not the one that I would remember in ten years, especially if you compare him to people like Sen or Mondi. For me, something has always been missing.

No vendetta here.

I pretty much agree with this post. For years Dissy was foreign starcraft. ToT were the team and he was the best of them, if you asked the random guy on iccup who the best foreigner was it was him. For a while Testie was a contender too but Mondragon was there before and after.

To my mind the only foreigners worthy of mention are Mondragon, Testie, White-ra and Nony, Mondragon being by far the most dominant (in terms of years at the top).
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2010 13:00 GMT
#132
On December 19 2010 19:25 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 17:54 ondik wrote:
On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best storm drops: Nony


LOL. wonder how many people got this.



now this is somewhat epic .. :D :D :D

Can someone explain please ?
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#133
On December 24 2010 21:45 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 22:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On December 18 2010 12:02 rift wrote:
On December 18 2010 02:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On December 17 2010 21:02 Holgerius wrote:
On December 17 2010 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I would say Mondragon.

He was a bit the western Boxer. He dominated for a very very long time, was very charismatic and at the end could still take a game from someone like Sea from time to time.

Idra tried very hard, and got the best mechanics a foreigner ever had, but never understood that mind game and strategy are somehow important. He was very good at repeating standart games but had no imagination whatsoever. Combined with a really shitty scouting, he kept failing all the important things he tried in quite a sad fashion.

Do you realize how much Idra won in the last year or so of BW?

Yeah, great career, great achievements... Let's see...

Failed to qualify in any major league in Korea,
Failed to go to A team after 3 years,
Failed to play a single Kespa TV match,
Lost to a foreigner in WCG 0-2,
Failed in TSL1 early on
Failed in TSL2 although he has 600 more practice time and experience than anybody else.

He won a lot of small tournaments. Great. If he had been Korean, we would refer to him as a scrub who never achieved anything at all. Probably none of us would have ever heard of him.

No, sorry, Idra has been a very very unsuccesfull progamer. He played amazingly, had fantastic mechanics, but something has always been missing, and this something seems to have been essential.


From your posts it seems like you have something personal against IdrA.Your dislike of him as a player is warping your assessment of his ability. It's pretty much accepted that he was the best foreigner in 2009. NonY came out of retirement to play TSL2 and beat him 3-2 in a close series with some well-known incidents. Yes, if he was Korean "probably none of us would have ever heard of him", but the same could be said of ret, nony or almost any other top foreigner of the past several years. What makes them stand out is that they aren't Korean

Well, I don't like Idra at all, but that's not the problem.

Take Mondi. Mondi is an amateur who dominated for years, won tournaments, and took game to progamers on a regular basis for ages. He was a leader of one of the biggest clan also.

Idra is the contrary. Idra is a professional who has failed for three years not only to do anything at all on the professional stage, but hasn't been able to win the biggest amateur tourneys at his time.

There is no doubt that Idra had incredible skill before switching to SC2 (but which talented player wouldn't with the training he had), and that he was the best player around on many aspects: mechanics, knowledge of the game, etc... He is just not the one that I would remember in ten years, especially if you compare him to people like Sen or Mondi. For me, something has always been missing.

No vendetta here.

I pretty much agree with this post. For years Dissy was foreign starcraft. ToT were the team and he was the best of them, if you asked the random guy on iccup who the best foreigner was it was him. For a while Testie was a contender too but Mondragon was there before and after.

To my mind the only foreigners worthy of mention are Mondragon, Testie, White-ra and Nony, Mondragon being by far the most dominant (in terms of years at the top).


marry me Kwark

1000% agree on everything you said.

<3 Mondragon <3

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i wish he stopped slacking and started playing again, if just a little bit(i know he plays ladder but i mean tournaments ect)
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#134
NYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOKEN
=^.^=
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#135
On December 24 2010 22:00 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 19:25 aimaimaim wrote:
On December 18 2010 17:54 ondik wrote:
On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best storm drops: Nony


LOL. wonder how many people got this.



now this is somewhat epic .. :D :D :D

Can someone explain please ?


pretty sure its about the game when nony did HT drops but forgot to research storm ^^
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2010 13:07 GMT
#136
On December 24 2010 22:03 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 22:00 corumjhaelen wrote:
On December 19 2010 19:25 aimaimaim wrote:
On December 18 2010 17:54 ondik wrote:
On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best storm drops: Nony


LOL. wonder how many people got this.



now this is somewhat epic .. :D :D :D

Can someone explain please ?


pretty sure its about the game when nony did HT drops but forgot to research storm ^^

Sounds fun^^, do you knwo where I can watch the vod/lr ?
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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
December 24 2010 13:20 GMT
#137

On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best storm drops: Nony


Why did you erase the part about the arbiter play, that game was sick ^^
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
December 24 2010 13:28 GMT
#138
MttN was good
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 13:35:14
December 24 2010 13:34 GMT
#139
the best foreigner who ever played sc1 was draco, no discussion end of story
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 24 2010 13:36 GMT
#140
On December 17 2010 12:51 2GRe-Play- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 12:45 Khol wrote:
On December 17 2010 09:16 Boblion wrote:
Best Achievements: Grrr
Most bm: NoHope
First protoss fan: Idra
Favourite clown: MisterZZZ
Strongest foreigner: Incontrol
Cookie time: Cloud
Best nickname: Testie
False modesty champion and waffle award: Mondragon
Top mentally challenged player: GosI[Terran]
Abuser forever: Yosh
BBQ sauce: Dreiven
Kimbo award: HovZ
Best haircut: Elky
#1 BGH player: Surfer4life
Oblivion medal: Dino
Australian starcraft player: Legionnaire
Best storm drops and arbiter play: Nony


Abuser Forever: Yosh?

Yosh was better than all of those Terran players that everyone assumed to be good. He was the best Terran in USA. Years of the highest skilled play in NA and now he's known as a "Abuser". I find it rather disgusting, really. It was two games and both games were played straight up.
That just disturbs me.


but what he won? any tournament?


Yosh was/is one of the best terrans outside of Korea, he may not have won that many tournaments but the guy was a beast. He's on par with Androide in terms of talent
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