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Terato and Mumyung to T1
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Waxangel
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Article on PGR21.com Good for T1, bad for all POS and Plus -_-~ | ||
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Born)Slippy
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Waxangel
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Twitt
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On July 27 2004 01:46 Waxangel wrote: only a matter of time before july gets scouted Scouted, rofl....I'm sure people know his skill and capabilities. Maybe only a matter of time before someone inks him, yes, but scouted??? Silly Wax =o | ||
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icy
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worst.player
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Mumyung sucks though. He has no hope or future. Anyone know why he was recruited? | ||
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lefty
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Levu
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
And KTF, like real madrid, should by now realize that you can't buy a top team. I mean wtf. After joining KTF, the collective record of Yellow, Ra, Sync, TheMarine, Oddysay is something like 4-15? Not a pretty sight. | ||
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DoubleStormIII
Korea (South)2610 Posts
And he'll get help from all those T1 players like Boxer/Iloveoov and Kingdom/IntoTheRainbow...I think it's a very good news for him. I won't say anything about Mumyung :O Too bad for POS though. | ||
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OgerDaniel
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
On July 27 2004 02:00 LaZyScV wrote: Don't Terato and Mumyung suck also why didn't they get better players? maybe they were taking manner users?  </sarcasm> | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
On July 27 2004 02:52 OgerDaniel wrote: I think Boxer will read all those forum posts here and will decide to terminate the contract with Mumyung and instead hire the know-it-alls as team managers. I don't think he could afford them, not in the bulk we're talking about anyway. A dozen a dollar times... well, I'm not gonna continue the calculation.  | ||
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Fester
Australia260 Posts
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
i personally thought he has been doing much better lately. | ||
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DoubleStormIII
Korea (South)2610 Posts
On July 27 2004 03:18 SpuniasauR wrote: hold on. hasnt ra been owning it up bey?? i personally thought he has been doing much better lately. He lost to Ddang and Doggi in Dual Tournament, and he did very very well against Oov in MSL but still lost. | ||
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green-tea.
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
i guess i remembered him > nada too long ago. thx storm. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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likeboxer
Korea (South)465 Posts
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eAmYo
Germany194 Posts
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eAmYo
Germany194 Posts
On July 27 2004 03:49 Orome wrote:Oh well, if Boxer thinks so, I suppose I must think so too... youre right -.- this is boxers law | ||
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Turkey770 Posts
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Russia2355 Posts
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United States733 Posts
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Barbados128 Posts
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Twitt
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Singapore827 Posts
On July 27 2004 05:11 Twitt wrote: They don't need more terrans, they need competitive zergs. agreed therefore i say boxer made a good decision in getting these 2 players, considering zergjuly isn't available as always. POS letting terato go is a better choice than letting july go. terato WILL grow with well with kingdom and intotherain as for PLUS they really lost their best player >.< but i still believe mumyung needs something special to push his game up; this is the right moment to do that | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
alright I've said he is horrible too ^_^ but anyway rainbow was a pretty bad toss player and being on Boxer's team has helped him a LOT. Iloveoov went from unknown to best in the fucking world. Mumyung has the best record in televised tournaments of all the players Boxer has scouted for development, and I think he could become a good player. Boxer's judgement shouldn't be trusted 100% though; Zerglee, Nissi~Shaki, and Kos are some examples (I love Kos T_T) | ||
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booooo
Singapore372 Posts
terato definitely has good potential. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
On July 27 2004 02:14 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: I doubt it. The only bought top team are KTF. SK T1 is purely based on Boxer's ability to see talent in amatours and make good decitions with relatively unknown pros. And KTF, like real madrid, should by now realize that you can't buy a top team. I mean wtf. After joining KTF, the collective record of Yellow, Ra, Sync, TheMarine, Oddysay is something like 4-15? Not a pretty sight. lol you overrate boxer x 10, iloveoov was good before he joined SK, and i believe he would've been just as good playing for Toona for example. And the only other successful player in T1 (Kingdom) was certainly NOT an unknown pro before he joined up with the team. | ||
Liquid`RaSZi
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rebOund
Germany403 Posts
like booooo said mumyung is just missing something that makes him a top player, and imo its the lack of good practice partners. give him 1 or 2 months in SK T1 and i think he will be alot better than now. | ||
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
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Avatar
Germany216 Posts
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Madox-101
Malaysia128 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
On July 27 2004 05:04 Babar wrote: If i were boxer i would take Josez and Froz. His tvt hasn't been very good lately. Using that logic, Boxer should hire more T, P, and Z because he is slumping unlike he has ever slumped in his life. He should just retire and start managing a team. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 27 2004 07:19 Dealer wrote: lol you overrate boxer x 10, iloveoov was good before he joined SK, and i believe he would've been just as good playing for Toona for example. And the only other successful player in T1 (Kingdom) was certainly NOT an unknown pro before he joined up with the team. Uhm yeah possibly, but he sure as hell accelerated the process now didn't he -_- You could see a remarkable change from the earliest games on tv of his to him exploding and winning MBC~ | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 27 2004 07:56 Draeger wrote: Using that logic, Boxer should hire more T, P, and Z because he is slumping unlike he has ever slumped in his life. He should just retire and start managing a team. Wow yeah you genius, he just qualified for Starleague... | ||
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 27 2004 07:56 Draeger wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2004 05:04 Babar wrote: If i were boxer i would take Josez and Froz. His tvt hasn't been very good lately.[/QUOTE] Using that logic, Boxer should hire more T, P, and Z because he is slumping unlike he has ever slumped in his life. He should just retire and start managing a team.[/QUOTE] Just watch and see how he does You can't start screaming "BOXER IS BACK!" because he beat out a bunch of amateur gamers who shouldn't even be on the same level as him to get into a Starleague. Boxer slumps on and off now. He'll lose several games badly and then win a game. Every time he wins a game (or a pair of games) all of the Boxer fanatics start screaming that this is the beginning of his comeback. It hasn't happened over the last 4-5 months and I strongly doubt it will happen in the Starleague either. Qualifying for it just means that he'll be playing better competition and lose even faster. Do you truely see Boxer being able to compete with oov/Nada/Xellos/Reach/July(if he doesn't do the post-starleague thing)? I personally see him getting walked over. | ||
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DoubleStormIII
Korea (South)2610 Posts
But they had better choices instead of Mumyung though. Like July, Max, Zergman, Stay, Oversky, IPXZerg, and all that. | ||
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 27 2004 07:59 FrozenArbiter wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2004 07:56 Draeger wrote: [QUOTE]On July 27 2004 05:04 Babar wrote: If i were boxer i would take Josez and Froz. His tvt hasn't been very good lately.[/QUOTE] Using that logic, Boxer should hire more T, P, and Z because he is slumping unlike he has ever slumped in his life. He should just retire and start managing a team.[/QUOTE] Just watch and see how he does You can't start screaming "BOXER IS BACK!" because he beat out a bunch of amateur gamers who shouldn't even be on the same level as him to get into a Starleague. Boxer slumps on and off now. He'll lose several games badly and then win a game. Every time he wins a game (or a pair of games) all of the Boxer fanatics start screaming that this is the beginning of his comeback. It hasn't happened over the last 4-5 months and I strongly doubt it will happen in the Starleague either. Qualifying for it just means that he'll be playing better competition and lose even faster. Do you truely see Boxer being able to compete with oov/Nada/Xellos/Reach/July(if he doesn't do the post-starleague thing)? I personally see him getting walked over.[/QUOTE]Everybody goes through slumps, but to say boxer will be walked over by all of those players is a stupid thing to say ;O. And Boxer can still on any given day compete and beat them~ :O Btw, a few months ago everyone was on the bandwagon posting how Terato is the hottest new rising star, maybe you guys over-hyped him too much! I think he will have a good run with T1 and become an established protoss user  | ||
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
I give you full permission to shoot this back in my face if I end up being wrong. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
he's more accomplished than many ppl when they joined t1 | ||
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
On July 27 2004 08:58 Draeger wrote: just wait and see... I give you full permission to shoot this back in my face if I end up being wrong. keke~ k you're on! | ||
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On July 27 2004 06:08 Waxangel wrote: Nissi~Shaki wtf? | ||
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SoL.Origin
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On July 27 2004 08:22 DoubleStormIII wrote: Well yeah with Boxer/Oov/Kingdom/Rainbown for practice partners both Mumyung and Terato will grow like monsters :O But they had better choices instead of Mumyung though. Like July, Max, Zergman, Stay, Oversky, IPXZerg, and all that. Yeah, especially Max, he seems to be on fire after beating themarine 2-0 and doing well in the challenge league. Maybe. | ||
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Waxangel
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On July 27 2004 09:17 ejai63 wrote: Guys, nobody can just go out and pick up Julyzerg like the sunday paper. He's probably going to be sigining a huge contract - possibly 100,000/year - if he moves soon. Other than oov, he's the hottest gamer in the world right now and I don't put it past T1 to pay that much -_~ | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
It reminds me of something the announcers said on Boxer's DVD: All three of them [ Announcers ] and Boxer were watching a game and they basically, roughly, easily translated said ' Dude, wtf. I don't get it. How come you rape zergs so bad but you don't have any zergs on your team other than Zerglee? ' Boxer has one of the best if not THE best TvZ all-time record. So it's safe to say Mumyung was picked because of potential. | ||
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Null_hk
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suffeli
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TanGo
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 27 2004 10:10 suffeli wrote: I would have picked Hyuk over Mumyung anytime. Hyuk is relatively an unknown zerg but watching only few of his replays he has made his mark. Mymyung just don't have the charisma, looks and the determination to make it. And on top of it all, mensrea hates him! Wow. A replay. | ||
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suffeli
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wAt-74
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Klogon
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Mumyung joining SKT1 is a good choice. I don't care what you guys say, but he is a very solid player. This just goes to prove that T1 is not taking the same route as KTF and buying out all the best players. Personally, this makes me love the team that much more, because the have the money to do what KTF does, but they don't do it. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 27 2004 10:22 suffeli wrote: Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. No you don't. Online play and offline play = two fucking different things, when's the last time you saw hyuk on TV? Mumyung was in a starleague not long ago~ | ||
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suffeli
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On July 27 2004 12:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: No you don't. Online play and offline play = two fucking different things, when's the last time you saw hyuk on TV? Mumyung was in a starleague not long ago~ Yes. Offline and Online gaming are two different things. And by the way I have never said that they were the same thing. But as far as eye and hand cordination goes, everyone has their limits. I would call it talent. It is why Boxer is good and everyone can't be good as Boxer. No matter how hard you practice. Some of us have a hardtime accepting that... You can always prep up your pressure handling by taking speech courses and playing offline depending on your preference. But your hand and eye cordination comes from you mama and papa. If you are dead slow, nothing is going to change that. Never. You can probably improve your speed but everyone has their limits, slow or fast. Hyuk has amazing talent, something like Xellos has. Xellos has been awesome all the time, even when he was playing race wars with YGClan two years ago against Highca and Misspark etc. ILoveoov and Hyuk has that talent too and they have always had it. | ||
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suffeli
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Liquid`Jinro
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Hot_Bid
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On July 27 2004 12:44 suffeli wrote: I'd like to have an argument please. okay. i think your family ugly TT | ||
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Dealer
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.YouJustGotRapeD
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AK-Nemesis
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but maybe you can take into account that to determine the skills of a player from serveral of his replays is very hard. it's not only the way he plays, there is also the factor of the way his opponents play. the player you mentioned could've made tons of amazing plays because he was playing vs lower skill lvl players than mumyung. thus making mumyung less impressive. and not only that, maybe the player you mentioned had serveral amazing wins vs famous players. but that doesn't take out hte possibility that his famous opponents weren't trying at their best since as you mentioned, he is a relatively unknown player. bottom line, we dont konw how good they are until they are matched in tv tournaments where the stake really counts. | ||
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.YouJustGotRapeD
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
No matter how hard you try and practice, I can tell you, that you will never learn to play Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No. 2. Or maybe you just might? ... AK-Nemesis Everyone has their favorite player but Mumyung is not mine. He looks like the little pig from the Babe movies and I just don't like his style. I know who I like and it is definately not Mymyung even if he beats every freakin' progamer in this planet. I like Hyuk! But I must admit that you are right.+suffeli | ||
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t3h.sWaRm
United States202 Posts
dunno y they recruit ametuers unless thjey were doing well =\ | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
i guess getting older will also affect your reflexes and perception so you will slowly decrease in handspeed while getting older but your coordination might still get better. | ||
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suffeli
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AK-Nemesis
2005 Posts
On July 27 2004 16:24 suffeli wrote: I believe I've heard a famous player from Canada who went to Korea say that Broodwar is a game for young people? did u mean grrr.. aka giyom? i think his exact words during an interview were that he was "getting too old for bw". | ||
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lefty
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worst.player
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How's Mumy's zvz? | ||
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On July 27 2004 10:01 Null_hk wrote: yea what about tht stupid boxer DVD? i went all over korea to DVD stores and DVD bangs to find that stupid boxer dvd but they were like huh?? limyohwan? starcraft is game!! rofl | ||
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United States879 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 27 2004 19:02 worst.player wrote: A recent game of Boxer playing Mumyung was terrible. Boxer raped Mumyung with wraiths. How's Mumy's zvz? Wow, I'd be more impressed if you could name one zerg whom he hasn't raped with wraiths! | ||
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booooo
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
[B]On July 27 2004 15:11 .YouJustGotRapeD wrote thats not true at all.. my apm a year ago was 90-100.. and now its 180-210... and thats a considerable difference in gaming.. Ah, I thought that name looked familiar... I still have that rep of Drone raping you with probes. | ||
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On July 27 2004 21:35 booooo wrote: notice the coincidence that boxer played and beat both mumyung and terato recently on vods, before bringing them into his team... IF boxer is the best member on his team then they are fucked :D! | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On July 27 2004 21:07 FrozenArbiter wrote: Wow, I'd be more impressed if you could name one zerg whom he hasn't raped with wraiths! Me! :O | ||
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yeLLOstA
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homoerectus_
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i think he meant decent zerg | ||
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yeLLOstA
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United States2942 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Boxer's probably impressed by that as well and figures there's more potential. Plus getting Mumyung doesn't really disturb balance in the team, but also between the various teams. | ||
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SoL.Origin
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
On July 27 2004 23:41 baal wrote: boxer has always liked Mumyung no idea why. Sexual frustration that only a short, young, pudgy korean boy can satisfy. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On July 28 2004 07:49 mdb wrote: Why everyone hates Mumyung ? -he's ugly -he got raped so many times on tv (though passing the qualifications can be ssen a good performance, but we never see those games) -his gaming style is boring, at least in my opinion | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On July 28 2004 07:58 SoMuchBetter wrote: the real reason why everybody hates mumyung is because of mensrea actually you are probably right and no i dont hate mumyung, i dont even remember watching any vods of him | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 28 2004 07:56 NpG)Explosive wrote: -he's ugly -he got raped so many times on tv (though passing the qualifications can be ssen a good performance, but we never see those games) -his gaming style is boring, at least in my opinion Yes we do (see the qualification games), and he plays well-.- | ||
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EvanSlayer
Brazil228 Posts
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On July 28 2004 09:12 FrozenArbiter wrote: Yes we do (see the qualification games), and he plays well-.- If you have any links, I am quite interested | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 28 2004 10:07 NpG)Explosive wrote: If you have any links, I am quite interested Well they are reported + I watch OGN on air etc | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
As for Mumyung, I also think mensrea is the main reason why everyone hates him. Actually, I saw more games where he won (including his solo rapage of KTF... no one had a single chance). He's still super-inconsistent and seems to handle pressure not that well, but he definitely has potential. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
Boxer is going to teach mumyung how to play zerg... :O | ||
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