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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
September 17 2010 16:04 GMT
#1
Daezang, Ganzi, Special, MVP, Guemchi all left Woongjin.

Daezang wanted to go into commentating.
Ganzi wanted to go do his military service.
Special wanted to further his education.
MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer.
Guemchi said he was tired being a progamer and wanted to go on a vacation.

And as you know Kwanro went to SKT1

Source: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=32721&page=1



sorry if repost
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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
September 17 2010 16:05 GMT
#2
Shit sure is hitting the fan in the BW world.
@_@
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
September 17 2010 16:07 GMT
#3
yikes
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
September 17 2010 16:07 GMT
#4
wow i wonder who are left to play PL in the next season =/
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
September 17 2010 16:09 GMT
#5
Woongjin will basically be finished then. I hope Zero joins Hwaseung.
ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
September 17 2010 16:10 GMT
#6
This is all happening too fast ;;
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
September 17 2010 16:11 GMT
#7
interesting... zero and free... hmm
just here
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 17 2010 16:11 GMT
#8
WHAT THE FUCK. This is absurd.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
September 17 2010 16:12 GMT
#9
realpenguin is going to commit suicide tonight
POGGERS
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
September 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#10
WOWOWOWOW, 2 teams gone now...
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nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
September 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#11
not particularly into any of those players, but interesting nonetheless.

(P)free should be taking a bigger role now that (P)GuemChi is gone.

but woongjin is now reduced to only Free, Zero, and the rising Soulkey.

thanks for translating and relaying the information.
go KHAN! TBLS <3
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 17 2010 16:13 GMT
#12
ugh, so estro without a sponsor, stars falling apart at the seams, mbc losing a coach, i'm guessing the bw scene is on its last elbows.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
September 17 2010 16:14 GMT
#13
Oh my god, please don't die Brood War.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
September 17 2010 16:14 GMT
#14
Holy shit this is spiraling down faster than I ever expected.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 16:18:19
September 17 2010 16:14 GMT
#15
you should at least translate the coach's statement or something related to that that's on the page you linked to lol

also Daezang is supposed to commentate GSL or something

anyway it looked more from Woongjin's side judging by the article, they just allowed their players to leave whoever didn't have the passion for the game anymore.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
September 17 2010 16:15 GMT
#16
damn you blizzard... was that really necessary?!
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
September 17 2010 16:16 GMT
#17
Okay, how many bad/weird news more can we get in a single week?
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ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
September 17 2010 16:17 GMT
#18
Damn, that's big. Wonder what's the background for whole Woongjin jumping ship.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 17 2010 16:17 GMT
#19
On September 18 2010 01:16 Fumi wrote:
Okay, how many bad/weird news more can we get in a single week?


weird news? plenty

you can blame me for not translating since i'm busier now though T_T
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
September 17 2010 16:17 GMT
#20
lol free and zero... all kills, all season

seriously that sucks though =\
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Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
September 17 2010 16:17 GMT
#21
Fuck.
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 16:19:06
September 17 2010 16:18 GMT
#22
programing is no longer as romantic an idea as it once was.

prohouses are farms now.

Mid-tier players are finally starting to grow weary of being livestock.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
September 17 2010 16:18 GMT
#23
On September 18 2010 01:18 chrisSquire wrote:
simple case of cost/benefit analysis.

programing is no longer as romantic an idea as it once was. prohouses are farms now. the players are finally starting to grow weary of being livestock.


lol
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 17 2010 16:21 GMT
#24
On September 18 2010 01:18 chrisSquire wrote:
programing is no longer as romantic an idea as it once was.

prohouses are farms now.

Mid-tier players are finally starting to grow weary of being livestock.

Lol.
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Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 16:22:45
September 17 2010 16:22 GMT
#25
On September 18 2010 01:18 chrisSquire wrote:
programing is no longer as romantic an idea as it once was.

prohouses are farms now.

Mid-tier players are finally starting to grow weary of being livestock.

shut the fuck up
god youre retarded

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User was temp banned for this post.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
September 17 2010 16:24 GMT
#26
Free, Zero, Soulkey.... then Piano ? Crazy-Hydra? SaiR?

Poor Woongjin it was a cool team that coudl always perform well..

If the team doesnt continu, Soulkey or Zero need to go in KT, they need a zerg.
Free should go in Oz
n_n
DarkspearTribe
Profile Joined August 2010
568 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 16:26:14
September 17 2010 16:24 GMT
#27
On September 18 2010 01:15 sCuMBaG wrote:
damn you blizzard... was that really necessary?!

LOL. Right.

Especially when they all said they don't wanna be progamers ... definitely blizzards fault.

I can totally understand why all progamers leaving - I mean all they do is sit 12 hours a day playing BW and what do they get in return? Nothing - they don't get to play in tournaments and they don't get paid much. Crazy stuff.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 17 2010 16:25 GMT
#28
Actually Woongjin still has one other protoss called Actually.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
September 17 2010 16:26 GMT
#29
On September 18 2010 01:24 FaCE_1 wrote:
Free, Zero, Soulkey.... then Piano ? Crazy-Hydra? SaiR?

Poor Woongjin it was a cool team that coudl always perform well..

If the team doesnt continu, Soulkey or Zero need to go in KT, they need a zerg.
Free should go in Oz

I feel like if teams disband and players go to other teams, then some teams will be wayy too strong. I liked it how it was before...

wtf WJ was a good team...sigh :|
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
September 17 2010 16:26 GMT
#30
It really sucks that this happened but it seems to really just be coincidence not as closely related to "OH GOD BROOD WAR IS DYING" as it is "5 players who happened to be from the same team wished to leave." It doesn't seem like a "jumping ship" but more like a mix of circumstances outside of progaming (military career, burnout, etc).
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 17 2010 16:27 GMT
#31
This is truly quite sad. I give BW in general 1-2 more years at max. On the upside Flash/Jaedong playing SC2 would be a site for sore eyes.
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ToeJam
Profile Joined April 2009
United States282 Posts
September 17 2010 16:28 GMT
#32
The competition will be a lot better with less teams imo. There will only be good players playing for more epic matches :> The under S class players will barely play tho ;;
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 17 2010 16:31 GMT
#33
what the fuck.

we're so fucked

everyone is leaving bw ..

why now of all times.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
September 17 2010 16:33 GMT
#34
Man, things are just not going well these days for BW. This news is just so ... sad... I don't know what I'm going to do if this just keeps up.

Maybe Woongjin and eSTRO can make a combined team now?
@DreamingBird
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
September 17 2010 16:36 GMT
#35
This is alarming. The progaming infrastructure's coming part before out eyes. The SC2 scene's still in the stone age, and from the looks of it Blizzard wants to keep it that way. If the entire Kespa system of teams and sponsers evaporates, e-sports will start back from scratch, and I seriously doubt the stars will align again to create a replacement. It makes no sense for Blizzard to piggyback on the success and popularity of pro broodwar and at the same time destroy it. The more logical course of action is to somehow transition the current e-sports system into SC2, not blow it back to pre-Boxer days. That, and I personally don't feel SC2 has enough entertainment value as a spectator sport to propel itself up like Broodwar did. But that's just my opinion....
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 17 2010 16:38 GMT
#36
Not a big deal imo. The two weakest teams are disbanded, best players will be picked by the remaining teams, B-Teamers will retire or go to Sc2...

Now if it was KTF or SKT it would be a different story.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
September 17 2010 16:39 GMT
#37
Woow, this is so sad!
WJ always been my favorite team after T1. damn!
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
September 17 2010 16:40 GMT
#38
Wow 6 players. So long Zero keeps playing, I wont have to jump of a tall building.

Maybe Woongjin has simply seen the power of "new recruits"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90341

Im imagining 5 ZvZs when oz/woongin meet in PL.
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
September 17 2010 16:53 GMT
#39
I see BW degenerating into Flash vs JD showmatches in a few months.
in7e.sCream
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany48 Posts
September 17 2010 16:55 GMT
#40
only nice games then...
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
September 17 2010 16:57 GMT
#41
On September 18 2010 01:53 Rho_ wrote:
I see BW degenerating into Flash vs JD showmatches in a few months.


Isn't it that already?
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 17 2010 16:57 GMT
#42
Bam, wow....
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 17 2010 16:58 GMT
#43
Oh shit, this really sucks!

MVP was their only Terran =(
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
September 17 2010 17:00 GMT
#44
I don't know why you are all freaking out. Crazy-Hydra, Free, hOn_sin, Kwanro, Soulkey, and Zero were the only ones who were getting any professional games last season. MVP showed up a few times but that's pretty much it. The biggest issue is probably just practice partners but I'm sure they practice with people outside of their team and they still have some other people left anyway.
High five :---)
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 17:03:51
September 17 2010 17:01 GMT
#45
WHAT?!? That was a shocker. I mean all of their reasons are perfectly understandable, but I just haven't seen so many players leave at once.

I love all of them and wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors!

Btw, it says 6, but I see only 5 listed and I would really love a full translation.

Oh wait, I guess Kwanro is counted too.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 17 2010 17:05 GMT
#46
This shouldn't mean the end of Stars, they still have enough talent to continue. I guess it's natural that as the uncertainty around Broodwar increased many started to look at other options.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
September 17 2010 17:08 GMT
#47
Ohhh god.
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 17:08:28
September 17 2010 17:08 GMT
#48
Poor Woongjin
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McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
September 17 2010 17:08 GMT
#49
On September 18 2010 02:05 hypercube wrote:
This shouldn't mean the end of Stars, they still have enough talent to continue. I guess it's natural that as the uncertainty around Broodwar increased many started to look at other options.

Yeah, these are my thoughts also. They haven't lost anyone that they were actually sending out, unless you count the trade of Kwanro as a loss. The team you see on TV is basically the same at this point. People who had other aspirations decided to make their exit, that's all.
High five :---)
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
September 17 2010 17:09 GMT
#50
Damit. This is happening too quickly. Slow down peoples. Slow the fuck down. Don't start leaving cause others are doing it.
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nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
September 17 2010 17:13 GMT
#51
MVP!!! you had potential... go to SC2 or something then.
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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
September 17 2010 17:14 GMT
#52
Anyone heard from Realpenguin? Konodoras right he's probably soooo pissed and sad
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
September 17 2010 17:29 GMT
#53
Guemchi left?!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
September 17 2010 17:29 GMT
#54
Did you expect RP's story would ever end up happy or what?
If you cheer for newbies...
in7e.sCream
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany48 Posts
September 17 2010 17:32 GMT
#55
he is newbie to you? i dont know
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
September 17 2010 17:34 GMT
#56
On September 18 2010 01:27 Misanthrope wrote:
This is truly quite sad. I give BW in general 1-2 more years at max. On the upside Flash/Jaedong playing SC2 would be a site for sore eyes.


At the rate of teams disbanding, head coaches leaving, and players leaving, Pro BW may not last 6 months at this rate.
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
September 17 2010 17:36 GMT
#57
Hopefully they can pick up a bunch of estro players?
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
September 17 2010 17:44 GMT
#58
Ffs, now this? I was hoping BW would at least survive a couple seasons more.
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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
September 17 2010 17:47 GMT
#59
wow... its like an earthquake hit BW proscene and we are still experiencing the aftershocks.
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
September 17 2010 17:50 GMT
#60
but and now who is the lineup complete?

(Z)ZerO
(P)free
(Z)Neo_G.Soulkey
and ???
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
September 17 2010 18:00 GMT
#61
On September 18 2010 02:34 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 01:27 Misanthrope wrote:
This is truly quite sad. I give BW in general 1-2 more years at max. On the upside Flash/Jaedong playing SC2 would be a site for sore eyes.


At the rate of teams disbanding, head coaches leaving, and players leaving, Pro BW may not last 6 months at this rate.

You know, even in good times, teams have rough patches. Internal problems happen. What we're seeing now, is some of those problems exacerbated by other circumstances- the uncertainty around the korean BW scene as a whole, progamers leaving for SC2, etc.

As has been mentioned before, we're getting a flurry of bad news for the BW scene because Fomos chose to release them all at the same time (which means they'd been holding out on releasing them, which in turn means they're not very transparent about what goes on behind the scenes). The conclusions I can draw from this flurry of activity are:

a) Some teams had internal problems. This is to be expected, really; they just waited for the postseason to resolve these problems.

b) Many players are leaving BW. This is slightly more worrying for the BW scene; you mostly just see the players on the booth, but it takes more than just them to keep the scene running. Does the BW scene have the capacity to "restock" on good players as fast as they're losing them, or will team rosters keep on thinning out? The rate BW is losing players is something to keep an eye on.

c) eSTRO's sponsor has had enough with BW. Can eSTRO, the proleague and the starleagues find new sponsors? There is no strong reason to think they won't get new sponsors- yet. But it is also something to keep an eye on.

Those are the bigger problems the BW scene is facing internally right now. Then there's also the external problems they're facing- their negotiations with Gretech.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 18:09:02
September 17 2010 18:06 GMT
#62
o7 Guemchi you did my 09/10 fantasy PL team well. Rest well sir!
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
September 17 2010 18:08 GMT
#63
woongjin should pick up action and really.
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 17 2010 18:13 GMT
#64
You guys BW fans should STOP shouting "BW is dying" and post dramatic posts like "dont die BW" "oh no so sad for BW" in every BW related thread and every single news that comes out.

You are seeding the idea of BW dying into the heads of countless BW fans like me and make them feel frustrated.

The matter is simple, some recent event is bad, but it does 0.0001 damage to BW and BW will not die to anything.

BW has government support, BW has military support, BW has corporate support, BW has public support.... it is immortal, it just cannot die.

STOP shouting "BW dying" bullshit if you love BW, or else you are damaging its public support.
Imagine that you have a very healthy son, and every single hours a random guy pop up and say "your son is dying", after a week you will start questioning the health state of your son.

So yeah, be optimistic and believe in BW ! It still has like 10000000 HP and 9999 mana with full gear, It cannot die or be killed. Cheers !!!
mimi mimi mimi
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
September 17 2010 18:17 GMT
#65
sooooo their terran lineup now consists of (T)Center, (T)hOn_sin, (T)PianO, and (T)SaiR?
they're lucky there's no race requirement heh
brood war for life, brood war forever
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
September 17 2010 18:18 GMT
#66
On September 18 2010 03:13 mimikami wrote:
The matter is simple, some recent event is bad, but it does 0.0001 damage to BW and BW will not die to anything.


The all time winner in MSL and OSL titles leaving BW means nothing?????? Nada was offered a contract renewal and Wemade desperately tried to keep him but Nada still bolted!
mimikami
Profile Joined August 2010
France77 Posts
September 17 2010 18:24 GMT
#67
On September 18 2010 03:18 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 03:13 mimikami wrote:
The matter is simple, some recent event is bad, but it does 0.0001 damage to BW and BW will not die to anything.


The all time winner in MSL and OSL titles leaving BW means nothing?????? Nada was offered a contract renewal and Wemade desperately tried to keep him but Nada still bolted!


Yeah it accounts for 80% of the 0.0001 damage done to BW.
BW still has 9999999.9999 HP.

Cheers man (or be sad if you want BW to die).
mimi mimi mimi
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 17 2010 18:28 GMT
#68
On September 18 2010 03:18 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 03:13 mimikami wrote:
The matter is simple, some recent event is bad, but it does 0.0001 damage to BW and BW will not die to anything.


The all time winner in MSL and OSL titles leaving BW means nothing?????? Nada was offered a contract renewal and Wemade desperately tried to keep him but Nada still bolted!

Source ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 17 2010 18:31 GMT
#69
holy shit 0.0
Jaedong.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 18:34:07
September 17 2010 18:33 GMT
#70
Stars merge incoming?
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VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
September 17 2010 18:39 GMT
#71
As great as NaDa's lifetime career is, he is now a washed out veteran.

He has two choices:

* Stay Pro and be a well respected PR icon, but a benchwarmer.
* Go "amateur" on his own, and play. 

Its pretty obvious NaDa wants to play, but he won't be able to as a BW pro. If he has enough savings, his salary doesn't mean much in the short/mid term.

NaDa's moving to SC2 is more the result of BW evolving beyond NaDa's times. He lasted a lot longer than Boxer, Oov, Nal_Ra and Savior, but time and skill level finally caught up with him. 
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
quasar
Profile Joined August 2010
140 Posts
September 17 2010 18:41 GMT
#72
This sucks hard.

Woonjing, don't fall now!
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 18:48:16
September 17 2010 18:47 GMT
#73
Woonjin will be fine. They're still doing better than estro w/ no sponsor.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
September 17 2010 19:00 GMT
#74
Meh. More playtime for Soulkey, then. SOULKEYYY!!!
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
September 17 2010 19:01 GMT
#75
My goodness, sad news everyday
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
September 17 2010 19:02 GMT
#76
free, zero and soulkey.. Nice trio. But they had better get a 4th..
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
September 17 2010 19:03 GMT
#77
i don't get why you guys are all complaining though. most of these players hardly played at all, so it's now better that they have left.
POGGERS
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
September 17 2010 19:08 GMT
#78
Wow, Stars top line up is gone... so sad to hear.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
September 17 2010 19:09 GMT
#79
Things for Brood War are falling apart faster than I thought.

I really thought we'd see BW players stick with it while SC2 developed seperately..
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 17 2010 19:09 GMT
#80
On September 18 2010 04:03 konadora wrote:
i don't get why you guys are all complaining though. most of these players hardly played at all, so it's now better that they have left.


This. Comparatively, we lost way more noteworthy players to the match-fixing scandal. Even with July and Nada (and I guess potentially BoxeR) switching over its not necessarily bad for BW at all. How often do those guys play anymore, NEVER, and they know it. They know their skills aren't up to par anymore, and the only reason they're still contracted is for their NAME-VALUE. These guys are competitors, they don't wanna sit around doing nothing. They want to compete and show their fans great games. They can no longer do that in BW so whats the problem with moving to SC2?

In the end of the day, the $$$$ is still in BW. Yeah, the GSL prize pool is impressive, but how many people are going to be able to attain that? Not many, and the disbursement is very top heavy. BW pros are still receiving salary, food, lodging, and practice facilities.

The two games can co-exist. If you still care about BW you should be supporting it even more, instead of overreacting and freaking out.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
September 17 2010 19:10 GMT
#81
I expected the bw scene to collapse eventually, but I didnt think it wold be quite this fast. I wonder how many teams will be left in 1 year. Kinda sad, but since I dont watch/play bw anymore I hope this means sc2 will really start to take off in Korea.
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
September 17 2010 19:13 GMT
#82
On September 18 2010 01:15 sCuMBaG wrote:
damn you blizzard... was that really necessary?!

Call me crazy, but none of those are Blizzard issues lol. This really sucks though. BW seems to be dying on two fronts
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
Plaaguu
Profile Joined April 2009
United States406 Posts
September 17 2010 19:27 GMT
#83
-_- I thought I would never say this but, hopefully we can get at least one more season of BW before shit hits the fan.
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
September 17 2010 19:31 GMT
#84
OMG BW scene crashing like crazy... I am one sad panda
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
September 17 2010 19:57 GMT
#85
Realpenguin is now on suicide watch. DON"T DO IT!!
Eggm
Profile Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
September 17 2010 19:58 GMT
#86
BW's gonna be fine. All these posts about "aww its dying" are probably sc2 fans who want it to die and trying to ruin sc1's image, or i'm just overreacting.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 20:04:11
September 17 2010 20:02 GMT
#87
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT

I guess hon_sin will get some air time now... really will be nice to see how he turns out, same for soulkey

massive blow to Woongjin though



On September 18 2010 04:58 Eggm wrote:
BW's gonna be fine. All these posts about "aww its dying" are probably sc2 fans who want it to die and trying to ruin sc1's image, or i'm just overreacting.



I think people don't realise no one left to play SC2 in those 6
Writer
Rope
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland45 Posts
September 17 2010 20:12 GMT
#88
Man, I expected it to happen, but not so soon. I wonder if we'll ever see another proleague
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
September 17 2010 20:13 GMT
#89
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BROOD WAR IS BREAKING UP ....im so sad....
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
September 17 2010 20:16 GMT
#90
BW is dying before our eyes
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 17 2010 20:17 GMT
#91
Wow, woongjin got screwed.

It really hurts to see BW implode like this.
RIP Aaliyah
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 20:23:36
September 17 2010 20:21 GMT
#92
free, Zero, Soulkey, Crazy Hydra will hold down the fort. I BELIEVE. WOONGJIN MUSN'T DIE

D=
TranslatorBaa!
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
September 17 2010 20:22 GMT
#93
FUuuuu.... wtf is going on?!
BW is totally dying.... damn it.
im QQing so hard right now
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
September 17 2010 20:31 GMT
#94
oh. shit.

i honestly though that estro thing would be the last thing this week. goddamn it my weekend is ruined
boomer hands
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 17 2010 20:45 GMT
#95
MVP and Guemchi
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 17 2010 21:14 GMT
#96
eSTRo has some shit going on as well, if they just move to woongjin, then it's a power house team. let's be real, guemchi wasn't that good, and MVP sucked. They have hon_sin (who looks promising) and they STILL HAVE; free/soulkey/zero, so they are more than fine at the moment. IF they acquired estro teammates that would be amazing. [Imagine with action, Really, Flying+ this]
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 17 2010 21:24 GMT
#97
On September 18 2010 06:14 dRaW wrote:
eSTRo has some shit going on as well, if they just move to woongjin, then it's a power house team. let's be real, guemchi wasn't that good, and MVP sucked. They have hon_sin (who looks promising) and they STILL HAVE; free/soulkey/zero, so they are more than fine at the moment. IF they acquired estro teammates that would be amazing. [Imagine with action, Really, Flying+ this]

estro, hite and woongjin are all having issues that would need to be sorted out. I don't know that team merging is the best solution but it may come to that.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
September 17 2010 21:33 GMT
#98
This is good news. Clearly none of these players is going to win a championship, or even make it deep into leagues, so I'm not going to miss watching their games. Players of this caliber get paid so little that I congratulate them for moving on with their lives. Remember how Flash promised his parents that he'd quit pro SC if he didn't win a championship in his first year (or something along those lines)?

I only wish that more low-tier players would do this. Then, maybe teams would pay them more or work them less. If not, clearly they weren't important in the first place.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 17 2010 21:47 GMT
#99
no, thought mvp had potential and guemchi, although he'd never be great, was at least a solid option. daezang was obv.

i can seriously see contraction to 10 teams for the next season. estro's more or less gone, hite's been killed by the betting scandal. it'd make sense imo to consolidate.
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
September 17 2010 21:50 GMT
#100
wait...MVP and Guemchi left?! This could be very bad for Woonjing >.<
I like haikus and / I can not lie. You other / brothers can't deny
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
September 17 2010 21:53 GMT
#101
On September 18 2010 01:17 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 01:16 Fumi wrote:
Okay, how many bad/weird news more can we get in a single week?


weird news? plenty

you can blame me for not translating since i'm busier now though T_T

bro, no one blames you for anything
in fact every one of us love you for all your translations haha
Jaedong.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
September 17 2010 21:53 GMT
#102
oh lord :/

terrible news T_T
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 22:01:19
September 17 2010 22:00 GMT
#103
On September 18 2010 04:58 Eggm wrote:
BW's gonna be fine. All these posts about "aww its dying" are probably sc2 fans who want it to die and trying to ruin sc1's image, or i'm just overreacting.


When was the last time SIX players from the SAME team just up and left to do other things at the SAME time? Yeah...

People can be in denial all they want about BW coming to a close, regardless strange things are currently happening with the teams and the insecurity of the future is getting to a lot of them it seems.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
September 17 2010 22:07 GMT
#104
Expect (T)Center to step up for Woongjin this season.
Commentator
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
September 17 2010 22:51 GMT
#105
WOW...
All I can say is... GO ZERO!
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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
September 17 2010 23:29 GMT
#106
Imagine if eSTRO disbanded too?
Proleague just wouldn't be the same.
Relickey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States145 Posts
September 17 2010 23:34 GMT
#107
I really liked Ganzi, his games from Gom season 1 were pretty good, I remember I really liked him. Sad to see him go.
Beaches and shores
Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
September 17 2010 23:37 GMT
#108
Guemchi?? D:
I was instantly reminded of this thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87957

And that all kill that destroyed fantasy teams.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
September 17 2010 23:38 GMT
#109
guemchi bonwja none the less... he wants to bang chicks on vacation lol...
in The Kong line forever
Rio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Vietnam598 Posts
September 17 2010 23:39 GMT
#110
lol who care, i still play bw for my memory, my Jaedong
and practice reflex for my fucking life
I will quit BW if no one online on Iccup
What ever ---------------------------------------------------™
vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
September 18 2010 00:23 GMT
#111
you guys realize that all those washed up and B-teamers watched the GSL, said HOLY SHIT I could make 86k facing off against horribad foreigners?! As opposed to having to beat monsters like JD and Flash... seriously when you do this for a living why not go for the financially secure and easier route.
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
September 18 2010 00:25 GMT
#112
On September 18 2010 01:12 konadora wrote:
realpenguin is going to commit suicide tonight

manner
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
September 18 2010 00:30 GMT
#113
If players feel that their career as a progamer isn't going anywhere, then it would be prudent to quit and work on something else. Still, quitting to go on vacation? Come on...
rip passion
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
September 18 2010 00:30 GMT
#114
Me thinks that people are leaving because they believe that BW is dying so they want to get out before the shit really hits the fan...and then it becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy T_T
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4331 Posts
September 18 2010 00:33 GMT
#115
brood war had a good life but it's sadly over now in the proscene
this talk of broodwar and sc2 pro scenes being along side each other was nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 00:41:12
September 18 2010 00:38 GMT
#116
On September 18 2010 07:00 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 04:58 Eggm wrote:
BW's gonna be fine. All these posts about "aww its dying" are probably sc2 fans who want it to die and trying to ruin sc1's image, or i'm just overreacting.


When was the last time SIX players from the SAME team just up and left to do other things at the SAME time? Yeah...

People can be in denial all they want about BW coming to a close, regardless strange things are currently happening with the teams and the insecurity of the future is getting to a lot of them it seems.

No reason to be fatalistic about it though. There's been a lot of stories of this kind lately, but when the best known player to leave is Guemchi, it doesn't seem like a terrible loss.

Plus, this is the off-season. I imagine there are a lot of retirements and changeovers in an ordinary off-season, but we don't hang as much importance on them usually.

Things aren't looking great, but it looks like the main players involved aren't really deterred—from our perspective, at least.

The worst thing thus far is the news about eSTRO, but that isn't unprecedented either. The Stars were just as close to disbanding a couple of years ago, but they found a new sponsor.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 00:41:02
September 18 2010 00:40 GMT
#117
edited--
rip passion
PeT[uK]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States412 Posts
September 18 2010 00:41 GMT
#118
they still have zero. I hope to go zero goes to sc2
How Happy Are the Blameless Vestals Lot.
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
September 18 2010 01:00 GMT
#119
:/
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
BWdero
Profile Joined February 2008
Netherlands476 Posts
September 18 2010 01:00 GMT
#120
This news saddens me.
Stars fighting! Member #43 of Violet fan cafe. Fuck Kespa.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
September 18 2010 01:07 GMT
#121
nooooooooooooooooo

not G-Chizzle T_T
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
September 18 2010 01:42 GMT
#122
G-Chizzle =(
Nony is Bonjwa
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
September 18 2010 01:44 GMT
#123
Wow...Woongjin was on the rise and now this....-_- More burden on free and zero now really need to step up to the plate now. Good luck to these players in their future.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
September 18 2010 02:00 GMT
#124
I guess this is bad news, but to be honest I didn't even know these players were on Woongjin, except for MVP and Guemchi who've played a total of 2 or so proleague games all season.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-18 02:02:34
September 18 2010 02:02 GMT
#125
On September 18 2010 11:00 Wonders wrote:
I guess this is bad news, but to be honest I didn't even know these players were on Woongjin, except for MVP and Guemchi who've played a total of 2 or so proleague games all season.


Did you miss Guemchi's Winner's League Bonjwa run?

Or MVP's Ro8 MSL Debut, beating Baby, Best, Stork, Flash along the way?
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
September 18 2010 02:24 GMT
#126
On September 18 2010 11:02 dani_caliKorea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2010 11:00 Wonders wrote:
I guess this is bad news, but to be honest I didn't even know these players were on Woongjin, except for MVP and Guemchi who've played a total of 2 or so proleague games all season.


Did you miss Guemchi's Winner's League Bonjwa run?

Or MVP's Ro8 MSL Debut, beating Baby, Best, Stork, Flash along the way?


I heard about Guemchi's bonjwa talks and graphs a while ago but missed MVP unfortunately.
Kyouya
Profile Joined January 2008
Mexico318 Posts
September 18 2010 02:32 GMT
#127
Guemchi is pretty good, one of the few protoss i like. I hope he continue his progaming career in bw or maybe in sc2.
Strike First, Strike Hard, Show No Mercy.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
September 18 2010 02:40 GMT
#128
Zero to KT please! I called it!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 18 2010 03:00 GMT
#129
holy shit, I can't believe this is happening so fast. :|
ॐ
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada378 Posts
September 18 2010 03:12 GMT
#130
I am pretty stunned by all the changes, but I guess it's to be expected; SC2 is gonna shake things up.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
September 18 2010 03:13 GMT
#131
Already saw this in another thread, but man this sucks. Two of my favorite players gone, just like that How the fuck am I supposed to randomly reappear on TL and make hype threads now?

Ganzi leaving was pretty old news, but still, it's like the only thing he achieved was his "perfect" TvZ against Jaedong.

(on the other hand, if Stars and eSTRO end up merging.... hahahahaha gg Proleague)
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
September 18 2010 03:26 GMT
#132
Two Golden Mouse holder, or Living Legend, moved to SC2,
Three Legendary coaches, the livng proof of BW scene, has resigned,
One proleague team's about to be disbanded,
And proleague is about to become illegal organization.

And now this?

Proleague was the best e-sports league ever. We will remember you.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
September 18 2010 03:26 GMT
#133
dang BW is fading fast
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
September 18 2010 03:32 GMT
#134
MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer.


QQ MVP. Giving up!? HMPH.

I'm sorry I thought you were halfway decent!
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
September 18 2010 03:37 GMT
#135
when did proleague start becoming as big as OSL/MSL anyway? iirc people said it used to have far lower attendance and ratings, now it's huge of course, or was...
pinkranger15
Profile Joined June 2010
Philippines1597 Posts
September 18 2010 03:39 GMT
#136
this news sucks
yoyo!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
September 18 2010 03:43 GMT
#137
Just catching up on all of the BW news and it's just flooring me.

I never expected the end to come around so quickly. Times change and we just need to deal with the future but I thought BW would cool off slowly and pass away. It's not like I've been part of the community and progaming following for very long but it still hurts me. I know deep down that the sequel will never replace it. Maybe some passion of SC2 will grow in me as the scene takes shape with an evolving metagame, teams forming, maps being released, and all that stuff. I kinda hope it does but my outlook isn't very positive.
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
September 18 2010 03:53 GMT
#138
What do Artosis and Tasteless have to say about this? They know more of these guys personally. I'm sure they can get the inside scoop.
Husky: Every drone you lose is like a needle in the eye. Nony: probes win $10k (Earn it! Idra Fighting) :P
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 18 2010 03:54 GMT
#139
Old players moving on is to be expected, either to SC2 or other things. These guys have been around for quite awhile. People are calling MVP and Guemchi retiring 'the end'?

Idle A-teamers and legends that don't play televised games aren't crippling BW by leaving. The coaches shifting is something bigger in my eyes.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
September 18 2010 04:01 GMT
#140
I never thought I would see the day when another team has less players than ACE.
Translator:3
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
September 18 2010 04:27 GMT
#141
Looks like Woongjin will probably end up like Estro.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
September 18 2010 05:08 GMT
#142
So, does Woonjin have to promote like 7 people from B team or something? Cuz this really sucks major balls. Talk about shit hitting the fan ever since SC2 came out.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
September 18 2010 05:14 GMT
#143
On September 18 2010 12:43 thopol wrote:
Just catching up on all of the BW news and it's just flooring me.

I never expected the end to come around so quickly. Times change and we just need to deal with the future but I thought BW would cool off slowly and pass away. It's not like I've been part of the community and progaming following for very long but it still hurts me. I know deep down that the sequel will never replace it. Maybe some passion of SC2 will grow in me as the scene takes shape with an evolving metagame, teams forming, maps being released, and all that stuff. I kinda hope it does but my outlook isn't very positive.


All teams are still alive and have a coach (eStro could be either disbanded or sold, no one knows yet).

99% of A-Teamers are still there, having a good off-season time and planning to practice hard for the next one.

Lots of B-Teamers are still there and Courage still attracts as many players as ever (GTR's post somewhere).

I'm not saying BW is doing great, tbh this is easily the most depressing offseason that's ever happened. But until either fans stop showing up at events, or Proleague/OSL/MSL are actually announced to be terminated (which would be highly likely to be related to Gretech's demands), it won't be "the end" by any means.
Administrator
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
September 18 2010 05:16 GMT
#144
ouch...I hate to see all of this just hit the fan so suddenly. If Kespa wasn't nervous before they should damn well be now. eSTRO is near death, and well Wooogjin is pretty much dead. wow.

way to go Blizzard and Kespa. seriously. look at the damage you guys caused.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
September 18 2010 05:41 GMT
#145
i don't see why everyone is blaming Blizzard/KeSPA for this.

these players left because they weren't interested in playing for BW anymore, which would have come sooner or later, given their performances and/or exposure in proleague and individual leagues. It just accelerated things up for them, which means they can try to settle back into their former "normal" life quicker (which is better, obviously). not because Blizzard or KeSPA pointed a gun at their heads and forced them to retire.
POGGERS
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
September 18 2010 06:08 GMT
#146
These are all understandable reasons for quitting. I don't really see the problem.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 21:48:27
September 30 2010 21:47 GMT
#147
Not really deserving of its own thread, but the following players have also retired (9/29/2010)

(T)Notice - STX
(Z)Thezerg - SKT
(P)fOru - CJ
(P)Knight - WeMade
(P)Neo.G_zerO - WeMade

source: KeSPA
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 30 2010 21:55 GMT
#148
On October 01 2010 06:47 moopie wrote:
Not really deserving of its own thread, but the following players have also retired (9/29/2010)

(T)Notice - STX
(Z)Thezerg - SKT
(P)fOru - CJ
(P)Knight - WeMade
(P)Neo.G_zerO - WeMade

source: KeSPA

THEZERG RETIRED?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I blame Kwanro.
:)
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 30 2010 21:56 GMT
#149
Yeah I guess they got Kwanro to replace him in the Bunkie suit.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
September 30 2010 22:02 GMT
#150
On October 01 2010 06:47 moopie wrote:
Not really deserving of its own thread, but the following players have also retired (9/29/2010)

(T)Notice - STX
(Z)Thezerg - SKT
(P)fOru - CJ
(P)Knight - WeMade
(P)Neo.G_zerO - WeMade

source: KeSPA


Notice really was a one-hit wonder with that ACE all-kill in the 2009 Winner's League
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
September 30 2010 22:05 GMT
#151
On October 01 2010 06:47 moopie wrote:
Not really deserving of its own thread, but the following players have also retired (9/29/2010)

(T)Notice - STX
(Z)Thezerg - SKT
(P)fOru - CJ
(P)Knight - WeMade
(P)Neo.G_zerO - WeMade

source: KeSPA

I think it should be added that fOru had a coaching position in CJ and officially retired as a player coach this june in his game vs Jaedong.
The others are no-names, except for thezerg who was horrible anyways since when he left mbc.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
September 30 2010 22:16 GMT
#152
On September 18 2010 01:09 tomatriedes wrote:
Woongjin will basically be finished then. I hope Zero joins Hwaseung.

Naw. Rather Zero on a team that isn't Zerg heavy. Free, though...
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 30 2010 22:16 GMT
#153
The only good player out of that bunch was fOru and he hasn't been in form in like since forever? No real big loss at all.
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
September 30 2010 22:20 GMT
#154
byby woojin ;x
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Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
September 30 2010 22:21 GMT
#155
What The Fuck.

Brood War can't die until the Dong gets his much needed OSL win.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 30 2010 22:33 GMT
#156
On October 01 2010 06:47 moopie wrote:
Not really deserving of its own thread, but the following players have also retired (9/29/2010)

(T)Notice - STX
(Z)Thezerg - SKT
(P)fOru - CJ
(P)Knight - WeMade
(P)Neo.G_zerO - WeMade

source: KeSPA


Woah, both Wemade protoss players were drafted about year ago (1st pick and 5th pick) and now gone :D

Though Knight had all losses so he sucked anyways.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
September 30 2010 22:42 GMT
#157
Papa Bear Glad he is still around to coach.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 30 2010 23:31 GMT
#158
On September 18 2010 01:15 sCuMBaG wrote:
damn you blizzard... was that really necessary?!


Yeah blame blizzard...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 01 2010 17:51 GMT
#159
MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer.


Right, that's why he just joined an SC2 team. :/

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157293
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 18:04:12
October 01 2010 18:01 GMT
#160
FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

seriously, I love watching PL and all this crap that's happening is killing me.

On October 02 2010 02:51 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
MVP said it was too hard for him to be a progamer.


Right, that's why he just joined an SC2 team. :/

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157293

Well.. he propably wanted to say it was too hard to be a progamer at BW.
Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 18:10:14
October 01 2010 18:08 GMT
#161
(T)MVP is apperantely moving on to SC2.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157293
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Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
October 01 2010 19:18 GMT
#162
ZerO, free, soulkey, and piano + whoever they draft from estro, assuming they don't find a buyer, should still be a solid lineup. Hon_sin looked pretty good in stx masters too. We'll probably be screwed for the playoffs though w/o guemchi or MVP for depth.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-01 21:24:28
October 01 2010 21:24 GMT
#163
Am I the only one feeling a bit betrayed by MVP? I mean, ending your career to dabble in other pursuits is one thing, but switching to SC2 while saying "I'm tired of being a progamer" to Stars fans feels like a slap in the face. Then again, he wasn't too good, and the main line-up is still there, so I guess it could be a lot worse.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
October 01 2010 21:26 GMT
#164
On October 02 2010 06:24 mustaju wrote:
Am I the only one feeling a bit betrayed by MVP? I mean, ending your career to dabble in other pursuits is one thing, but switching to SC2 while saying "I'm tired of being a progamer" to Stars fans feels like a slap in the face. Then again, he wasn't too good, and the main line-up is still there, so I guess it could be a lot worse.

It just means that being an SC2 progamer is easy when he is a Korean raping nub foreigners.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 01 2010 21:30 GMT
#165
On October 02 2010 06:26 zenMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 06:24 mustaju wrote:
Am I the only one feeling a bit betrayed by MVP? I mean, ending your career to dabble in other pursuits is one thing, but switching to SC2 while saying "I'm tired of being a progamer" to Stars fans feels like a slap in the face. Then again, he wasn't too good, and the main line-up is still there, so I guess it could be a lot worse.

It just means that being an SC2 progamer is easy when he is a Korean raping nub foreigners.

It's still a crappy way to garner to your fanbase.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
October 01 2010 21:45 GMT
#166
On October 02 2010 06:30 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 06:26 zenMaster wrote:
On October 02 2010 06:24 mustaju wrote:
Am I the only one feeling a bit betrayed by MVP? I mean, ending your career to dabble in other pursuits is one thing, but switching to SC2 while saying "I'm tired of being a progamer" to Stars fans feels like a slap in the face. Then again, he wasn't too good, and the main line-up is still there, so I guess it could be a lot worse.

It just means that being an SC2 progamer is easy when he is a Korean raping nub foreigners.

It's still a crappy way to garner to your fanbase.

I agree that to the bw fan, it feels like he's scabbing, but if you look at it from his perspective, its not a bad decision. He was never a star in bw, he was a decent player by korean standards (was getting better) but not an S-class or anything, and this is his chance to potentially shine and stand out on his own. He's also the first 'active' A-teamer to announce he's switching over.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 01 2010 22:01 GMT
#167
You might misunderstand what I'm trying to say. The thing that makes me angry is not that he switched to SC2, it's HOW he did it (at least according to the threads, they might have been mistranslated).
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Neptuneajax
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia206 Posts
October 01 2010 22:12 GMT
#168
man Hwaseung should see if they can pickup Free. That would be sick and Zero can go to CJ to replace Effort, or maybe to Sparkys to lend Leta and hand.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
October 01 2010 22:25 GMT
#169
On October 02 2010 06:24 mustaju wrote:
Am I the only one feeling a bit betrayed by MVP? I mean, ending your career to dabble in other pursuits is one thing, but switching to SC2 while saying "I'm tired of being a progamer" to Stars fans feels like a slap in the face. Then again, he wasn't too good, and the main line-up is still there, so I guess it could be a lot worse.


As far as I'm concerned the only thing a progamer owes to his fans is to try his best while he's on the team. MVP has a much, much better chance of achieving something noteworthy in SC2 than BW and probably with less effort too. He could have just come out and said, hey I'm switching to SC2 but I don't think the reason he gave makes any difference.
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