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VdP]TwistedEcho
Profile Joined February 2004
United Kingdom847 Posts
June 20 2004 18:25 GMT
#21
a couple of mistakes are played, and people always claim this :p This isn't like losing to a teammate so you both go through, its possibly throwing away a semi final spot. I highly doubt its rigged, much more likely they had a bad day.. i mean, it does happen :p
Aqeloutro
Profile Joined October 2002
Spain614 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-20 18:53:03
June 20 2004 18:50 GMT
#22
On June 21 2004 03:19 SoL.Origin wrote:I wouldn't have done it because there is money


Absolutely the opposite, you would do it because there is money...you do want they want or you don't get paid.

EDIT: And I don't say games are rigged to make one person win or lose, games are rigged to make the show more appealing...more fun to watch.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 20 2004 18:58 GMT
#23
On June 20 2004 23:09 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Okay I know there are conspiracy theories and what not but OMFG I'm starting to believe.

I'm watching Kingdom Vs Silent_Control game 3 live right now on Mercury because I'm in Korea and I'm watching on TV. I swear to god that game was so fucking rigged.

When you get to watch it, holy shit people, you will seriously shit yourself.

Here's a list of things to look for.

1. When Kingdom harasses with 4 goons at Controls block consisting of one depot and barrack, control lifts barrack and kingdom puts goons under like a smart play. But then control builds a turret just OUTSIDE his block and Kingdom moves ALL four goons just to kill that one scv making the turret. WTF? He could've won the game. Control only had one tank in his base. Kingdom had 5 more goons coming to reinforce from his main.

2. When Kingdom's mineral only multi is being destroyed near the very end of the game, the probes were in process of mining so therefore they should go through all units, but instead they stayed right next to vultures and when a mine hit a dt it exploded like 10+ probes.

3. If you notice the game seems rigged because the dt comeback from Kingdom makes the crowd go ' Whoa '

4. In the beginning half of the game, silent control goes for 2vult 1 tank drop and he knows he is seen because a goon hits his drop once, but he goes in anyway. Wtf? He didn't even target probes with vults.

Sorry about the first post, I was just so outraged, I usually don't do that.

Discuss.

Edit: Sorry this is game 2. I was watching a re-showing of game 2. Either way, the game was still seemingly rigged.

I've seen it. You are stupid (^_____^). Seriously, Kingdom probably targeted the scv making turret by mistake, control was busy trying to ruin kingdoms goons since he knew there was no obs around.

Dark Templar come back almost worked, the probes were trying to kill the mine (I do that a lot of the time -.- Like surround the mine with probes so that they can kill it.

Kingdom was showing off. End of story.
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amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
June 20 2004 18:58 GMT
#24
On June 21 2004 03:15 Aqeloutro wrote:
If I had to lose one game on purpose on the TV my face would look quite fucked up too xD.

You can't script stuff like that - it was real.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 20 2004 19:01 GMT
#25
On June 21 2004 03:10 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
The games were rigged. Kingdom, NaDa, ILoveOOv, and XellOs would never make such serious mistakes all in the same night if they were trying.

NaDa didn't make ANY mistakes. How about you fend off 2 forward gates on Requiem using 1 rax M&M in the start, while being 2 probe harassed?
Zeus has lost 1 PvT before losing to OOv, either to boxer or nada. Xellos would never charge a ramp only to find hydras at the top? Are you fucking dumb? -_-
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
June 20 2004 19:25 GMT
#26
no. no and no.. you have all got it backwards, sure there is a conspiracy, but its only against us using liquibet! who ever is in control of liquibet saw that a shit load of our predictions would go down the drain last week if there were a "few" upsets.. so they sent drone to korea with the private Team Liquid rocket to tamper with the players water bottles, if you watch the kingdom game closely you can see drone in the audience with a evil smile for a split second before the game starts..
so, there you have it folks, and remember, the truth is out there..
zzzzzz
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
June 20 2004 19:28 GMT
#27
that would explain why i got 3/4.
CONSPIRACY. KINGDOM > CONTROL. GIVE MY 1 POINT BACK
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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
June 20 2004 19:41 GMT
#28
^ lol
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
June 20 2004 20:07 GMT
#29
There is no conspiracy. Anyone who saw the look on Kingdom's face at the end could tell you he did not throw that game.
We are vigilant.
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
June 20 2004 20:12 GMT
#30
What do you guys think, Kingdom is going to be laughing or something at the end, if they rigged the game?
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 20 2004 20:17 GMT
#31
On June 21 2004 03:58 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2004 23:09 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Okay I know there are conspiracy theories and what not but OMFG I'm starting to believe.

I'm watching Kingdom Vs Silent_Control game 3 live right now on Mercury because I'm in Korea and I'm watching on TV. I swear to god that game was so fucking rigged.

When you get to watch it, holy shit people, you will seriously shit yourself.

Here's a list of things to look for.

1. When Kingdom harasses with 4 goons at Controls block consisting of one depot and barrack, control lifts barrack and kingdom puts goons under like a smart play. But then control builds a turret just OUTSIDE his block and Kingdom moves ALL four goons just to kill that one scv making the turret. WTF? He could've won the game. Control only had one tank in his base. Kingdom had 5 more goons coming to reinforce from his main.

2. When Kingdom's mineral only multi is being destroyed near the very end of the game, the probes were in process of mining so therefore they should go through all units, but instead they stayed right next to vultures and when a mine hit a dt it exploded like 10+ probes.

3. If you notice the game seems rigged because the dt comeback from Kingdom makes the crowd go ' Whoa '

4. In the beginning half of the game, silent control goes for 2vult 1 tank drop and he knows he is seen because a goon hits his drop once, but he goes in anyway. Wtf? He didn't even target probes with vults.

Sorry about the first post, I was just so outraged, I usually don't do that.

Discuss.

Edit: Sorry this is game 2. I was watching a re-showing of game 2. Either way, the game was still seemingly rigged.

I've seen it. You are stupid (^_____^). Seriously, Kingdom probably targeted the scv making turret by mistake, control was busy trying to ruin kingdoms goons since he knew there was no obs around.

Dark Templar come back almost worked, the probes were trying to kill the mine (I do that a lot of the time -.- Like surround the mine with probes so that they can kill it.

Kingdom was showing off. End of story.


Um no, you're stupid and also wrong. I'm not a progamer but I will assure you that I don't move away from being under a floating with FOUR goons just to kill one scv making a turret that is ZERO threat to me. Given that same situation I'm 100% sure I could've won that. The four goons halfway in his base with only one tank and scvs and 5 more goons or so coming.

Wtf are you stupid? Why would you attack mines with probes if dts can kill it in one hit, and there WAS a dt, why would you prevent the dt from killing it in one hit? If the probes kept on mining they would've just gone straight to Kingdom's main clearing the way for the dt to just slash the mine before it burrowed. [ And the dt had ADEQUATE time to do so ]

' Seriously, Kingdom probably targeted the scv making turret by mistake, control was busy trying to ruin kingdoms goons since he knew there was no obs around. '

So he built a turret?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 20 2004 20:21 GMT
#32
When the goons backed out of main to kill scv, probably miss click on SCV, k?

Maybe, just maybe he made a lot of mistakes =[ Paranoid people so fun -_-
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
June 20 2004 20:22 GMT
#33
On June 21 2004 03:08 Aqeloutro wrote:
I started to think some TV games were rigged when I saw that famous game between Boxer and Garimto on NFZ where Garimto goes for straight arbiter and zealot recall. Boxer doesn't scout Garimto's base during the whole game, not a scan, not a flying barracks, nothing...Otherwise he would have seen the arbiter thing.

Why rig that game? All for the show!

I also think Reach Vs Nal_Ra on Paradoxx might be rigged, Reach goes straight for dark archons and Ra doen's scout either. Even Boxer vs Joyo on Paradoxx could be rigged, Joyo played like shit at the end, he let Boxer win.


I'm assuiming your joking, and it wasn't either smart or funny.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 20 2004 20:22 GMT
#34
My opinion on ' Conspiracy theory ' is that * MAYBE * they are doing something similar to wrestling on tv, yes that WWE gay crap. The skill is there but it's all for show.

It's not completely wrong to say that OGN could've told team managers to make sure that all records were 1-1 so there would be a maximum number of game 3's.

On June 21 2004 05:07 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
There is no conspiracy. Anyone who saw the look on Kingdom's face at the end could tell you he did not throw that game.


I watched on TV, so that means my view was clear and not the usual VOD quality, this means I saw his face clearly and I saw nothing in Kingdom's face that you don't regularly see in a face that lost a game of that caliber. It's not hard to make a face like that if you threw the game because ONE you agreed to throw it unwillingly and two if you didn't something bad might've happened.

This is all * Presuming * but I've given alot of good evidence. At least watch the VOD again and comment on the game, not on the look of people's faces.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-20 20:25:51
June 20 2004 20:24 GMT
#35
On June 21 2004 05:21 FrozenArbiter wrote:
When the goons backed out of main to kill scv, probably miss click on SCV, k?

Maybe, just maybe he made a lot of mistakes =[ Paranoid people so fun -_-


Ok Frozen seriously, pause the VOD when it gets 4 goons under barracks plz. First of all WHY WOULD THE GOONS BACK OUT TO KILL A SCV BUILDING A T-U-R-R-E-T ? When they clearly could've gone into main!
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-20 20:32:02
June 20 2004 20:28 GMT
#36
On June 21 2004 03:50 Aqeloutro wrote:
EDIT: And I don't say games are rigged to make one person win or lose, games are rigged to make the show more appealing...more fun to watch.


like the NBA. i dont even think "rig" is the best word. i think "help" is. u just "help" increase the chance that it will be exciting, increase popularity of the program, the fan base, etc., more viewers = mo money. obviously just rigging the outcome doesn't necessarily do this, but select "helpage" certainly will.

On June 21 2004 03:58 amat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 03:15 Aqeloutro wrote:
If I had to lose one game on purpose on the TV my face would look quite fucked up too xD.

You can't script stuff like that - it was real.


remember the nal_ra vs oov or whatever, game1? the one that was given english subscripts? it is almost more feasable to believe that the game was rigged than to believe oov would intentionally let himself be photoned just to try to fend off zeal/photon with vulture/scv. maybe if we look more closely at the micro of nal_ra we can see how the fuck the vulture just didn't get killed... was he holding back to make sure oov did an "amazing thing" in a completely irrational situation? or is there just nothing better for terran do do on requiem?
amat
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1788 Posts
June 20 2004 20:28 GMT
#37
I haven't watched the game, but I've always thought the games were rigged. They can just send messages over the headphones to rig the games. Boxer, etc., would always drop just as an expo comes online.

I haven't watched the game in question though.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 20 2004 20:35 GMT
#38
Watch the game in question. It's pretty fucked up.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
June 20 2004 20:35 GMT
#39
wtf-_-; games are not rigged-_-;; omfg
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
June 20 2004 20:36 GMT
#40
On June 21 2004 05:28 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 03:50 Aqeloutro wrote:
EDIT: And I don't say games are rigged to make one person win or lose, games are rigged to make the show more appealing...more fun to watch.


like the NBA. i dont even think "rig" is the best word. i think "help" is. u just "help" increase the chance that it will be exciting, increase popularity of the program, the fan base, etc., more viewers = mo money. obviously just rigging the outcome doesn't necessarily do this, but select "helpage" certainly will.

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 03:58 amat wrote:
On June 21 2004 03:15 Aqeloutro wrote:
If I had to lose one game on purpose on the TV my face would look quite fucked up too xD.

You can't script stuff like that - it was real.


remember the nal_ra vs oov or whatever, game1? the one that was given english subscripts? it is almost more feasable to believe that the game was rigged than to believe oov would intentionally let himself be photoned just to try to fend off zeal/photon with vulture/scv. maybe if we look more closely at the micro of nal_ra we can see how the fuck the vulture just didn't get killed... was he holding back to make sure oov did an "amazing thing" in a completely irrational situation? or is there just nothing better for terran do do on requiem?


Yeah I think that's the correct way to put it. OGN is * Helping * the ratings and the fans by having more matches. Seriously, it's VERY hard to believe all those giants would lose on the same night in same 1-0 situations and all the other things that have happened, are coincedence
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