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Aqeloutro
Profile Joined October 2002
Spain614 Posts
June 20 2004 23:00 GMT
#61
By the way, did you read my signature? It means: "I am not a genius, neither you are"
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
June 20 2004 23:05 GMT
#62
On June 21 2004 07:48 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 07:39 lastas wrote:
youre just denying the truth :OO

Illuminati was in on this :O



ahahahaha lol
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 20 2004 23:05 GMT
#63
On June 21 2004 07:50 Aqeloutro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 07:44 TomciO wrote:
"Going straitgh for a Zealot recall without Boxer scouting Garimto's base even once in the whole game is very suspicious to me."

You're genius : p.

http://www.uploadyourimages.com/view/916228genius.jpg


Of course I didn't mean the whole game, but the whole game BEFORE seeing the arbiter not after...

Tech was in a remote part of base. Main had probably been scanned as soon as scanner completed (however, you can't scan too much since he needs it for anti dt drop!)
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
TomciO
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland414 Posts
June 20 2004 23:06 GMT
#64
"Of course I didn't mean the whole game, but the whole game BEFORE seeing the arbiter not after..."

We don't really know when he scanned it, so...

"By the way, did you read my signature? It means: "I am not a genius, neither you are""

.
Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
June 20 2004 23:18 GMT
#65
Where's the VOD???
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
June 20 2004 23:21 GMT
#66
Oh great the conspiracy theorists are moving over to progaming now =(

Not rigged. Remember these people are getting paid to win, unlike WWE or even the NBA (which doesn't have players throwing games but rather suspicious ref calls) where they get a large cash contract. Some people have off days, some people set themselves up for better bracket position, and some people are just better.
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lastas
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden1219 Posts
June 20 2004 23:51 GMT
#67
On June 21 2004 08:21 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Oh great the conspiracy theorists are moving over to progaming now =(

Not rigged. Remember these people are getting paid to win, unlike WWE or even the NBA (which doesn't have players throwing games but rather suspicious ref calls) where they get a large cash contract. Some people have off days, some people set themselves up for better bracket position, and some people are just better.


what if they were payed just to lose those games, so ogn could have a full broadcast schedule, which probably makes them alot of money.
gg
VdP]TwistedEcho
Profile Joined February 2004
United Kingdom847 Posts
June 21 2004 00:24 GMT
#68
or maybe they are playing a computer game badly for once? Im more inclined to believe they are throwing games to mess up the liquibet than these conspiracy theories :p If they wanted it to last longer, they could make the group stage longer/have more groups, thus gaining more air time etc. No need to get games thrown. I believe players might throw games to get someone knocked out in a tie position, or to give a teammate a win, but not what you guys are suggesting :p
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
June 21 2004 00:24 GMT
#69
On June 21 2004 03:13 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 03:08 Aqeloutro wrote:
I started to think some TV games were rigged when I saw that famous game between Boxer and Garimto on NFZ where Garimto goes for straight arbiter and zealot recall. Boxer doesn't scout Garimto's base during the whole game, not a scan, not a flying barracks, nothing...Otherwise he would have seen the arbiter thing.

Why rig that game? All for the show!

I also think Reach Vs Nal_Ra on Paradoxx might be rigged, Reach goes straight for dark archons and Ra doen's scout either. Even Boxer vs Joyo on Paradoxx could be rigged, Joyo played like shit at the end, he let Boxer win.

If you saw Joyo's face after the match, you know it wasn't rigged. :o


If you watch the game you just see Boxer's superiority come out, and that's why he won. His micro was untouchable that game.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
benzoic-acid
Profile Joined February 2004
Korea (South)427 Posts
June 21 2004 00:47 GMT
#70
On June 21 2004 06:09 Aqeloutro wrote:
Well I'm not stating that the games are rigged, but I really started to think about it when I saw that Boxer vs Garimto. Going straitgh for a Zealot recall without Boxer scouting Garimto's base even once in the whole game is very suspicious to me.


boxer scanned his base and saw a ton of zealots, but not the arbiter. if he knew about recall, he would have made bats + bunkers. also, boxer has done a double command bionic strategy before against reach in sky 2k2 finals
C6H7O2
Aqeloutro
Profile Joined October 2002
Spain614 Posts
June 21 2004 00:52 GMT
#71
On June 21 2004 09:47 benzoic-acid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2004 06:09 Aqeloutro wrote:
Well I'm not stating that the games are rigged, but I really started to think about it when I saw that Boxer vs Garimto. Going straitgh for a Zealot recall without Boxer scouting Garimto's base even once in the whole game is very suspicious to me.


boxer scanned his base and saw a ton of zealots, but not the arbiter. if he knew about recall, he would have made bats + bunkers. also, boxer has done a double command bionic strategy before against reach in sky 2k2 finals


[Joke] Maybe that game was rigged too! [/joke]
benzoic-acid
Profile Joined February 2004
Korea (South)427 Posts
June 21 2004 01:02 GMT
#72
Guys, people aren't saying the games are rigged because those guys lost, it's the WAY that all of them played really stupid and got owned.
C6H7O2
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 21 2004 01:14 GMT
#73
On June 21 2004 10:02 benzoic-acid wrote:
Guys, people aren't saying the games are rigged because those guys lost, it's the WAY that all of them played really stupid and got owned.

*1 of them.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
VdP]DreaM
Profile Joined February 2004
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-21 02:26:52
June 21 2004 02:26 GMT
#74
Why do you act as if all pro gamers are going to be perfect and make all the right judgements on things? Maybe KingDom didnt think he had enough time to kill the mine with the dt and tried to get it with the probes or something. But no, it must be a conspiracy of players purposely losing, why the hell would they? They get money, hot korean women etc for winning. They don't exactly gain much.
Countdown
Profile Joined February 2004
1217 Posts
June 21 2004 02:50 GMT
#75
If its a best of 3 series, 3rd game = more money?
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
June 21 2004 02:53 GMT
#76
everyone ho disagres is obviously part of the conspiracy!

argument 1 - they would win for money! the whole idea of rigging is that u pay someone to do what u say, so its profitable for them to help rig it! even tho they dont "get the prize"! think before u post please. prize money doesnt prove there's no rigging.. omg.

argument 2 - i dont remember but the one above is enough for me to say. but trust me, there was a second one.
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-21 03:07:00
June 21 2004 03:06 GMT
#77
well....


Lets suppose kingdom decides not to throw the game. OGN wouldnt threaten him with anything. They cant, they wouldnt take out one of the 5 best players in the world (yes, kingdom is right now along with oov, nada, reach and ra) just to prove a point to the other gamers -- fans would have none of that.

So if kingdom were to throw a game, the only possibility is that OGN made it worth his while to give up the possibility of winning the starleague (because playing control a 3rd game is somewhat dangerous, a bo1 against the world's biggest cheeser)
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 21 2004 03:08 GMT
#78
Ok i have seen the VOD

Kingdom plays abstractly (using 2 scouts for harass very early on) and you will notice that throughout many battles, Kingdom targets Turrets and SCV's building Turrets w/ his dragoons so that the scouts and continue to harass.

Its very unorthodox, but its NOT a rigged game AT ALL. I'm not sure why anyone would think it, considering how poorly silent_control played. He didn't really play terribly, but he was just a bit off throughout the entire game. He even forgot an academy for DT's. Its not like the DT's would have brought a comeback anyways. Control had so many turrets in his main from the scouts, there was no possibility of a counter attack. Plus, Silent_control had already completely fucked over Kingdom at that point in time anyways.

so

its not a rigged game

a very fun one to watch tho ^^; I highly recommend dling it
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-21 03:14:22
June 21 2004 03:13 GMT
#79
Yes! Boycott the immoral OGN and watch the pure and uncorrupted iTV instead!

Seriously, you guys have got to learn that sometimes even pros screw up =P.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
June 21 2004 03:23 GMT
#80
so lets see. a guy goes scouts to dts, the toss has goons inside but forgets to keep them in there and keep the rax from landing when he has 5 goons outside vs 1 tank (according to the other guy), then the terran forgets to get an academy while the toss switches to dts.. i dunno why u think those facts should convince u theres no way it was rigged. im not saying its rigged im just saying ur argument doesnt seem compelling 2 me
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