EPTWho's hot? Bisu's not. - Page 11
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 17 2011 03:32 Yxes2211 wrote: Bisu and Flash slips are incomparable... Bisu's were straight up slumps. I'm calling Flash's more of a fluke. Cuz he's still tearing it up and beating strong opponents. He's got 2 3-kills with a bad wrist and he's gotten to the point where he adds nukes in TvT for funnsies. Flash adds nukes in TvT against the only person in the world ANYONE would consider a favorite over Flash. Anyhow, Flash is doing better than Bisu because he's got 2 more titles under his belt that he won last season. Bisu's performance will be worth recognizing when he can win 2 more titles. Preferably in the same season. It's a mockery that anyone thinks Bisu is better than Flash and this thread seems to be implying it like crazy. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
His performance is certainly comparable to Flash's right now, but as of right now I'd say Flash is a bit stronger. But by no means is writing off Bisu justifiable. He just passed 2300 with Stork once again. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
They expect his PvP and PvT to be on pair with his godly unmatched BvZ, and if he can't meet the expectations, he's inconstistant and not S-Class. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:35 Lightwip wrote: ...Why does anyone still say Bisu isn't S-class? 1 more AK and he passes Jaedong in ELO, and he still isn't S-class? His performance is certainly comparable to Flash's right now, but as of right now I'd say Flash is a bit stronger. But by no means is writing off Bisu justifiable. He just passed 2300 with Stork once again. Flash > Bisu any day. Don't ask. Bisu is definitely S-Class. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to say. Not being at peak is bad? If Flash were to lose 10 games in a row to stork and drop like 200 elo, he would still be 2nd best in the world. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash adds nukes in TvT against the only person in the world ANYONE would consider a favorite over Flash. Anyhow, Flash is doing better than Bisu because he's got 2 more titles under his belt that he won last season. Bisu's performance will be worth recognizing when he can win 2 more titles. Preferably in the same season. It's a mockery that anyone thinks Bisu is better than Flash and this thread seems to be implying it like crazy. Arcording to your logic what is the place for Stork now? I mean, he just got 1 SL title, right? | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash adds nukes in TvT against the only person in the world ANYONE would consider a favorite over Flash. Anyhow, Flash is doing better than Bisu because he's got 2 more titles under his belt that he won last season. Bisu's performance will be worth recognizing when he can win 2 more titles. Preferably in the same season. It's a mockery that anyone thinks Bisu is better than Flash and this thread seems to be implying it like crazy. ...Right now, I'd take Bisu over Flash in anything but a head to head matchup. The only difference between their performances right now is that Bisu got knock out of the SLs by actual players, while Flash lost to scrubs. Other than that, they both look unstoppable in PL - and Flash vs Bisu is in a matchup Flash is historically good at and Bisu is historically not. Right now, whether Flash or Bisu is better is really an open question. (Career-wise, it's no argument: Flash is way ahead. Just clarifying that. But I'm talking about at-this-moment.) But what really got me was the "...against the only person in the world ANYONE would consider a favorite over Flash." Anyone who thinks sKyHigh's a favorite over Flash right now is delusional. sKyHigh's always been bad except for his TvT, and lately his TvT's been pretty shabby too. I can name two people I'd probably take over Flash right now: Stork and fantasy (despite fantasy's recent epic collapse game), and I don't think Flash would nuke either. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:28 IntoTheWow wrote: lol comparing Flash to Bisu. shut up, bisu is better than anything that ever came out of CJ | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:38 disciple wrote: shut up, bisu is better than anything that ever came out of CJ I think you're forgetting a certain bonjwa from CJ + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/192.jpg) | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
On January 17 2011 00:28 Roffles wrote: Bisu got crushed, because he plays PvT like ass. Any fanboys out there care to dispute this fact? Are you sure you watched that game or SC at all? He played toe to toe (arguably better) than Flash until late game. His late game wasn't terrible in itself but attempting to expand that fast vs the best TvPer ever isn't the brightest thing to even consider. TL;DR Early game and Mid game Bisu > Flash (arguably) Late game Bisu < Flash = crushed? lol? | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:38 disciple wrote: shut up, bisu is better than anything that ever came out of CJ You are forgetting a certain destroyer. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:28 IntoTheWow wrote: lol comparing Flash to Bisu. Yea, there's obviously no comparison | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:38 disciple wrote: shut up, bisu is better than anything that ever came out of CJ And a little reminder, Bisu came from MBC, not T1! | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:38 Musoeun wrote: ...Right now, I'd take Bisu over Flash in anything but a head to head matchup. The only difference between their performances right now is that Bisu got knock out of the SLs by actual players, while Flash lost to scrubs. Other than that, they both look unstoppable in PL - and Flash vs Bisu is in a matchup Flash is historically good at and Bisu is historically not. Right now, whether Flash or Bisu is better is really an open question. (Career-wise, it's no argument: Flash is way ahead. Just clarifying that. But I'm talking about at-this-moment.) But what really got me was the "...against the only person in the world ANYONE would consider a favorite over Flash." Anyone who thinks sKyHigh's a favorite over Flash right now is delusional. sKyHigh's always been bad except for his TvT, and lately his TvT's been pretty shabby too. I can name two people I'd probably take over Flash right now: Stork and fantasy (despite fantasy's recent epic collapse game), and I don't think Flash would nuke either. Right now, no one is better than Flash. I can't believe people even want to argue this. Better results is not a better player. As has been said, comparing Bisu to Flash? Lol. That you would take Stork and Fantasy over Flash is dumb as well. Flash is seriously the best player in the world and yes, even one "bad" season by his standards doesn't change that. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On January 17 2011 06:11 IntoTheWow wrote: And a little reminder, Bisu came from MBC, not T1! so what, CJ fucking sucks lol | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
EDIT: To those comparing Bisu to the likes of Jaedong and Flash - I thought it was common knowledge that they are in a class of their own. I don't see Bisu struggling against any other players (Stork maybe). Since his loss to Shine, has he not beaten him a couple times? I see nothing but improvement from Kim Tae Young | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
Flash is hands down the best player. There is no point in defending that fact, and if you disagree with it you are a fool. On January 17 2011 05:59 xMiragex wrote: Are you sure you watched that game or SC at all? He played toe to toe (arguably better) than Flash until late game. His late game wasn't terrible in itself but attempting to expand that fast vs the best TvPer ever isn't the brightest thing to even consider. TL;DR Early game and Mid game Bisu > Flash (arguably) Late game Bisu < Flash = crushed? lol? ^I lol'd. Flash will walk over bisu everyday, any day. I don't care if bisu played a more solid early game or has a better worker split, he will lose to flash. | ||
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