The difference between Flash and Bisu's performance is negligible, it's not even worth talking about. If you call their meeting in the Winner's league a crushing, you didn't watch most of it. They're both playing out of their minds in the Proleague. It's something to just watch and enjoy, not make biased shouting matches out of. :|

nbaker

United States1341 Posts

January 16 2011 15:27 GMT

#182

Hahaha, Roffles is right--Bisu is still Flash's bitch. Heads up, Flash is still the heavy favorite and Flash is doing just as well in PL and exactly as well in individual leagues.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

January 16 2011 15:28 GMT

#183

Bisu got crushed, because he plays PvT like ass. Any fanboys out there care to dispute this fact? Watching him play PvT is like watching a guy ram his head against a brick wall over and over. He makes the same mistakes, and it always costs him against people who aren't retarded at TvP.

Look, I hate Flash more than just about anyone on the forums. And I cheer for just about any Protoss player out there. But there's a time when blatant fanboyism goes way too far and ludicrous comments are being thrown around that are blatantly false, and that's been happening a lot due to Bisu's recent resurgence.

Btw, Bisu is still Flash's bitch. And he'll always be until he fixes up his PvT, cause it's painfully awful. Some of the worst decision making and worst attacks you'll ever see. He only gets away with it because the people he outmacros the lesser Terrans he plays against.

But his PvZ is pretty much untouchable right now, and during a time when zergs are performing well, having good vs Z is a good skill to have.

chisuri

Vietnam789 Posts

January 16 2011 15:39 GMT

#184

Bisu got knocked out in OSL Ro36 after he had passed many formidable opponents, while Flash lost both league ASAP when he had a chance to play. He lost to Classic, Ssak, Hyuk and Kal. Only Kal is decent but Bisu won him 2 latest times they met. And Bisu advanced further than Flash in MSL, beating many many good opponents including Kal himself and Shine who was on a very hot streak (sad to admit so, though). And he only lost to Stork, who is, well, pretty much destroying everyone.
I will ignore all the whole career's stat because they're irrelevant.
And in PL, i'm talking about RESULTS, strictly stat, no more elaboration and Bisu still got 1 more kill than Flash, it's a fact. If you want to specifically analyze the opponents Bisu or Flash defeated then you have to look at 25 games of Bisu and 24 games of Flash, not just the direct confrontation.
And jaedong is a different case, nothing involves Flash-Bisu's argument.

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

January 16 2011 15:44 GMT

#185

how can you only look at statistics and 'no more elaboration' lol -_-

bisu 200-0 vs me ZOMG HE IS GOD?

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

January 16 2011 15:44 GMT

#186

On January 16 2011 20:57 kamikami wrote:
Bisu is now > 2300 lol, so the op become obsolete.

Bisu is TOO HOT.

Bisu is SO hot right now. Both his play and his gorgeous, gorgeous self!

Really, the OP should be eating his words now. He posted this when Bisu was at 2200 ELO, which is still higher than the people he was comparing him to who were at their peak - even as Bisu was 192 below.

chisuri

Vietnam789 Posts

January 16 2011 15:45 GMT

#187

And I don't really think that Bisu is better than Flash, just want to make a argument to someone above who said that we have to wait until Bisu shows results in SLs. Well, by RESULTS only, Bisu is better than Flash, a fact. So that man's statement is as ridiculous as that by looking at results, we can say Bisu is better than Flash overall.
And yes, Bisu raped Jaedong recently.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

January 16 2011 16:01 GMT

#188

On January 17 2011 00:28 Roffles wrote:
Bisu got crushed, because he plays PvT like ass. Any fanboys out there care to dispute this fact? Watching him play PvT is like watching a guy ram his head against a brick wall over and over. He makes the same mistakes, and it always costs him against people who aren't retarded at TvP.

This is definitely true. People keep making excuses for his PvT and saying its fine because he beats lesser opponents, but his problem is hyper aggression just doesn't work against good Terrans in most situations. There are times when you just have to crack the Terran or you lose, but it seems like constantly throws away advantages. It's like he doesn't understand that sometimes you just have to wait and build up your advantage so that you can wreck the Terran at precisely the right moment, and that pure zealot/dragoon/arbiter is going to lose if you stick with it the entire game.

I suppose in some respect his current weaknesses are much better than the period of time where he played overly passive against Terrans. If he fixes the lack of high templar and starts picking his battles instead of running into a tank line like a berserker, he'll probably start waltzing over everyone except Flash, and he'll probably give Flash a run for his money. But it seems every game I expect him to stop making the same stupid mistakes, he goes and does it again. -_-

white_horse

1019 Posts

January 16 2011 16:15 GMT

#189

the anti-bisu people here are talking just like the fanboys in reverse.

lilchoiboy18

United States12 Posts

January 16 2011 16:41 GMT

#190

I'd like a response from the OP... lawlwalawl.

"Oh wait... 10-0 first round of proleague is obviously just a fluke... oh wait... 7-2 LOOK! HE LOST TWO GAMES ZOMG SLUMP IS BACK... HE LOST TO FLASH LAWLAWLAWLLAW.... oh wait... all kills..."

Not a fanboy of Bisu by any means (Huh Young Moo<3) but this was just a waste of effort from the OP.

Nick_54

United States2230 Posts

January 16 2011 16:55 GMT

#191

His pvt is 9-1 in his last 10 games with his only loss coming to Flash, pretty bad like you guys say.

This bump is hilarious and sometimes shit happens in the individual leagues just look what happened to Flash against Classic Ssak and Hyuk.

BisuDagger

Bisutopia19339 Posts

January 16 2011 17:05 GMT

#192

Roffles Tuvalu. August 19 2010 15:53. Posts 11054 PM Profile Blog Quote #
Yet another reason why Bisu has fallen from his mantle as the King Acorn.

I pointed this out months ago, but no one would believe me. The truth does hurt, doesn't it?

Long gone. Cya Kim Taek Yong.

Roffles is now reflecting on his farwell to Bisu as Bisu attempts his 3rd AK in a row next proleague MU.

lilchoiboy18 United States. January 17 2011 01:41. Posts 2 PM Profile Report Quote #
I'd like a response from the OP... lawlwalawl.

"Oh wait... 10-0 first round of proleague is obviously just a fluke... oh wait... 7-2 LOOK! HE LOST TWO GAMES ZOMG SLUMP IS BACK... HE LOST TO FLASH LAWLAWLAWLLAW.... oh wait... all kills..."

Not a fanboy of Bisu by any means (Huh Young Moo<3) but this was just a waste of effort from the OP

^ This thread was made before the new season when bisu was still in his slump stages. I agree even back in august that this OP was useless, but at least it had han bak timing.

SkelA

Macedonia13076 Posts

January 16 2011 17:07 GMT

#193

On January 17 2011 01:55 Nick_54 wrote:
His pvt is 9-1 in his last 10 games with his only loss coming to Flash, pretty bad like you guys say.

This bump is hilarious and sometimes shit happens in the individual leagues just look what happened to Flash against Classic Ssak and Hyuk.

Yes Bisu is doing fine in the last 2 months or so in pvt but if you seen his pvt games in 2010 ... it was really bad not just statswise but he even won games where he played like an ass but the oponents were just even worse.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

January 16 2011 17:22 GMT

#194

On January 17 2011 01:55 Nick_54 wrote:
This bump is hilarious and sometimes shit happens in the individual leagues just look what happened to Flash against Classic Ssak and Hyuk.

Problem is, shit has been happening every season for Bisu for a couple of years now whereas for Flash it was just a bumb on the long, golden road he's been walking on for the last year.

Yxes2211

United States1587 Posts

January 16 2011 18:32 GMT

#195

On January 17 2011 02:22 Holgerius wrote:

Show nested quote +

Problem is, shit has been happening every season for Bisu for a couple of years now whereas for Flash it was just a bumb on the long, golden road he's been walking on for the last year.

Bisu and Flash slips are incomparable... Bisu's were straight up slumps. I'm calling Flash's more of a fluke. Cuz he's still tearing it up and beating strong opponents. He's got 2 3-kills with a bad wrist and he's gotten to the point where he adds nukes in TvT for funnsies.

SkytoM

Austria1137 Posts

January 16 2011 18:39 GMT

#196

I also think Bisu's PvT is still horrible. His PvP is very shaky too. I think his good results are kinda fluky for a player who is considered "S-Class". He's not. He's A-Class with an ubergodly PvZ.